Expedited Parcel USA passed delivery standard date.

I shipped an item from Toronto to Texas using Canada Post Expedited but the item no longer updates since Feb 15 (Its in USORDS Chicago) the deliver standard was Feb 19 and the buyer is convinced its lost and wants a refund.

 

What do I do? I already sent a claim through Canada Post but that wont be resolved by their quoted date of May 25.  I've asked the seller to be patient but im worried he may go to ebay buyer protection and Ill have to refund him (knowing my luck the package will also arrive after I refund)

 

Tracking Info: same info on both canadapost and usps

 

CX540440790CA

 

This is my first post in community message boards and I have not had a shipping problem in over 150 transactions. No Idea what to do moving forward.

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Expedited Parcel USA passed delivery standard date.

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I know Canada post is bad because a different item I sold was being returned to sender (buyer moved and changed addresses) but the buyer told me he received his item on Feb 26 and no longer needed a refund. CX540440070CA

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I have to say first that in all the years I've been selling on eBay, I've used Expedited USA quite a lot and have never had any issues of non-delivery. 

 

That said however, occasionally the expected delivery date is extended due to severe weather, and I have seen reports on these boards about tracking info not appearing.  There were, I believe, some very major winter storms in the U.S. midwest and Texas this past week which may be a factor.  Still, Expedited USA generally takes no more than 6 or 7 business days. 

 

If the item hasn't arrived yet (Feb. 27th), you may have no option but to refund your customer, unless you have a very patient and understanding buyer who will wait a few more days.  You'll likely get a defect for refunding, but this is better than getting a defect and an opened case if the buyer gets nervous.  Keep your communications very friendly and apologetic, in the hope that if the buyer does receive the item they will allow you to re-invoice them (mention this when you make the refund).  A really honest buyer will repay you, some may not.  

 

You have to balance the potential defect + open case against the value of the item and against your capacity to absorb further defects/cases.  For a low volume seller, this is a critical consideration.  If your turnover is big enough, the defect and opened case may not be such an issue, and you may be able to "wait it out" for a couple of days after a case is opened, in the hope the item arrives.  If not, you'll be obliged to refund anyway (or eBay will do it regardless of what you want).  

 

In the meantime, continue to pursue the matter with Canada Post.  You will at least have the $100 insurance coverage (or more, if you paid for it) if the parcel is determined to be lost or stolen.  By the way, I notice from the tracking # you provided that the item did get into the U.S., so strictly speaking, Canada Post isn't directly to blame for slow or non-delivery.  Theft or loss within the USPS is a possibility.  

 

You did everything right, but unfortunately you're caught in the smaller seller's dilemma of either losing your money (and the item) or risking a defect and case.  At least with Expedited, the insurance may help to recoup some of the loss.  

 

Please let us know how this turns out.  It might be helpful for other sellers to know whether Expedited service finally does get the parcel to its destination.  

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Since the buyer knows that you did ship the item, I would ask them to please wait a few more days as you have already asked Canada Post to look into it and will also try to contact USPS.  It's been just 2 weeks which isn't that long for an international transaction but you might want to give him a date that you will refund him if the package can't be found by that specific date....perhaps next Friday?

 

 

Also, look at the order details as ebay should have posted an estimated delivery date there. There's a good chance that the last estimated date was this week so asking the buyer to wait isn't unreasonable.

 

Apparently there is a place on line at USPS where you can ask for email updates for a package. Sellers on the U.S. boards have often said that requesting that often gets a package moving again. It's fairly common for items to get 'stuck' at the sorting centers there.

 

I don't know where you find the above info but if I do see it, I'll post the url here. Or you can ask on the .com selling board.

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The email link that I was referring to is on the USPS tracking page for that item. Enter the tracking number and on the right side of the page you will see a link for email updates. Fill out the info and also check off both boxes asking for current and future scans.

 

I have no idea why this might help a package get moving again but many sellers have said that it often works.

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@bucklenshackle wrote:

I shipped an item from Toronto to Texas using Canada Post Expedited but the item no longer updates since Feb 15 (Its in USORDS Chicago) the deliver standard was Feb 19 and the buyer is convinced its lost and wants a refund.

 

What do I do? I already sent a claim through Canada Post but that wont be resolved by their quoted date of May 25.  I've asked the seller to be patient but im worried he may go to ebay buyer protection and Ill have to refund him (knowing my luck the package will also arrive after I refund)

 

Tracking Info: same info on both canadapost and usps

 

CX540440790CA

 

This is my first post in community message boards and I have not had a shipping problem in over 150 transactions. No Idea what to do moving forward.


Ok so firstly, having dealt with this exact situation on numerous occasions I can fill you in on exactly what to do.

 

1) First step is to recover your postage paid. As soon as an Expedited USA package goes beyond the "Delivery Standard" date you are entitled to a full refund of the postage paid. Call Canada Post (refered to as "CP" hereafter) and file the claim for postage refund going if you haven't already. That can all be taken care of in 1 phone call and the cheque will be in your hands in 7-10 business days. It's important to do this ASAP as if you have to refund the buyer the money from CP will soften the blow on your end, especially if funds are tight. The postage refund and the claim/investigation of the package are entirely separate so don't let anyone at CP tell you different and try to link the 2 therefor delaying your postage refund.

 

2) If you haven't already, I think you may have mentioned you did, get the claim going for the missing package.Call in to CP and get that going atnd get your ticket number reference from them. Give them 48 hours to get the ticket assigned to a claim specialist and call them back. If in 48 hours it has not been assigned and there is no update then  DEMAND to speak to a supervisor immediately and if there is not one available schedule a "call-back".

Once you are on the phone with the Supervisor at CP tell them you want them to take over the file immediately even if it was assigned to a claims specialist. Now, here is a cool and little known fact. Every Supervisor at CP has the right and authority to take these claim files over and supercede any claims person or other CP person who may be handling it. Yes, you read that correctly! The Supervisor may give you a little grief on this but stick to your guns. explain to them that you are up against the wall for time because this is linked to an Ebay sale and your time is limited before you have to shell out of pocket to refund the buyer. That should be all it takes to get compliance. make sure to get the Supervisor's contact details. You can call them directly as they all have a direct contact line whether they initially want to surrender that info to you or not.

 

3) Once the supervisor has the file get them to commit to you that they will contact you the minute they have any update on the investigation/ claim.

 

Now, wait 48 hours to hear from them.

 

4)48 hours has passed and no update. Call in to the Supervisor to see what's up. If nothing is happening then re-iterate that you are up against the wall time wise, lay it on really heavy. The Supervisor will either put you on hold or commit to call you back next day with an update. Up to you to decide on this one if you want to push for them to look while you are on hold or give them the day to further investigate.

 

5) So the Supervisor gets back to you with nothing. Now is the time to get your money back. Explain to the Supervisor (he knows all of this but remind them anyway) that the package is already 2 weeks without any new scans and again, you are going to have to shell out of your pocket to the buyer etc etc. This is the time that you really need to lay it on thick and heavy about how stressed out you are and about how much the buyer is on your case about it and you're just worried sick etc etc. This will work as I have done it more tha once.

 

Lastly.

 

You didn't mention the value of the item. If it's under $100 the Supervisor can commit to cutting you a cheque right then and there and sending it out 7-10 business days & in your hands. If it's over $100 but under $500 the Supervisor will tell you he needs 24 hours to get the cheque authorized and sent out and then 7-10 business days and it's in your hands.

 

If you stick to your guns and do this as explained, you can have a cheque in your hands long before the May deadline you mentioned. Or, while this is happening, your parcel will just show up on scans again. Either way it's a win and you will at the very least get a postage refund. I don't know where that date came from anyway as for Expedited USA there shouldn't ever be more than a 30 day wait for a claim, worst case scenario.

 

Best of luck and let us know how you make out.

 

Cheers,

 

thD

 

PS. I forgot to mention that during all of this CP may ask for paperwork like proof of value, photos etc. Make sure to comply and get whatever they request to them ASAP as it will help speed the process.

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@bucklenshackle wrote:

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I know Canada post is bad because a different item I sold was being returned to sender (buyer moved and changed addresses) but the buyer told me he received his item on Feb 26 and no longer needed a refund. CX540440070CA


This has nothing to with CP as they deliver to the airport and then it is in the hands of the USPS. CP does not deliver in the US, the USPS does. Your complaint is with teh Americans.

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@treasure.hunter.d wrote:

Ok so firstly, having dealt with this exact situation on numerous occasions I can fill you in on exactly what to do.

1) First step is to recover your postage paid. As soon as an Expedited USA package goes beyond the "Delivery Standard" date you are entitled to a full refund of the postage paid. Call Canada Post (refered to as "CP" hereafter) and file the claim for postage refund going if you haven't already. That can all be taken care of in 1 phone call and the cheque will be in your hands in 7-10 business days. It's important to do this ASAP as if you have to refund the buyer the money from CP will soften the blow on your end, especially if funds are tight. The postage refund and the claim/investigation of the package are entirely separate so don't let anyone at CP tell you different and try to link the 2 therefor delaying your postage refund.



Have you actually collected for an Expedited USA parcel being late?

According to the website Xpresspost USA had a guaranteed delivery time but I can't see anything that says there is a guaranteed delivery time for Expedited USA.

 

If I'm wrong, I think that it would make more sense for the OP to first see if the item is delivered. If they make a claim now for the postage and the item isn't delivered, they will have to put in another claim later one. If the item is delivered, they can still put in a claim for the late postage IF there is a guaranteed delivery time.

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Expedited Parcel USA passed delivery standard date.

I am currently trying to get a refund on the postage from Canada post, we shall see how that goes.

 

The buyer has agreed to wait 10 more days for the package to find its way to him.

 

BTW The item was $86.00 and cost $50 to ship.

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I do believe PJ is correct. Standard is not the same as guaranteed. They will not refund after the guesstimate delivery date. I believe their standard for refunding is 45 days from date of mailing.
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Dates are not guaranteed for Expedited (no refund), but are for Xpresspost. I tried to claim for Expedited recently, and it was denied.
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Just to clarify, Expedited USA is not guaranteed but Expedited in Canada is.
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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

@treasure.hunter.d wrote:

Ok so firstly, having dealt with this exact situation on numerous occasions I can fill you in on exactly what to do.

1) First step is to recover your postage paid. As soon as an Expedited USA package goes beyond the "Delivery Standard" date you are entitled to a full refund of the postage paid. Call Canada Post (refered to as "CP" hereafter) and file the claim for postage refund going if you haven't already. That can all be taken care of in 1 phone call and the cheque will be in your hands in 7-10 business days. It's important to do this ASAP as if you have to refund the buyer the money from CP will soften the blow on your end, especially if funds are tight. The postage refund and the claim/investigation of the package are entirely separate so don't let anyone at CP tell you different and try to link the 2 therefor delaying your postage refund.



Have you actually collected for an Expedited USA parcel being late?

According to the website Xpresspost USA had a guaranteed delivery time but I can't see anything that says there is a guaranteed delivery time for Expedited USA.

 


Yes I have. I wouldn't have said so if I hadn't. They will not pay out on Tracked Packet being late but Expedited Parcel yes, I have tried both. Because we pay such outlandish rates for shipping I will not tolerate any sub-standard service whatsoever so any time I see an Expedited USA package has been delivered late according to CP's own criteria I go after them for the postage.I'm not one to give 2 hoots about what their policy is. If you're going to rip me off with such high shipping rates you better get the parcel there on time or I'm coming after you for a refund. I also don't care that it's US Post that's handling it for part of the journey. CP is taking my money for the service therefor it's their responsibility regardless of who they hand it off to.

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PJ and Can_Crafts are correct: Expedited Parcel - USA is not a guaranteed service. Canada Post will refund you if the delay in delivery is unconscionably long. I have found this service (Priority Mail International in the eyes of the USPS) to be excellent but, as with any mail item, hitches can and do occur. I once had a parcel in transit for 30 days. Turns out it was misdirected by the USPS but was eventually delivered to the addressee. I applied to CP for a refund of the postage and, as usual with CP, received it, no questions asked.

No doubt something untoward has happened to your parcel to TX but I'm sure it will be delivered in the fullness of time. If you check the USPS Track & Confirm site, you'll see that the parcel was "processed through sort facility [at ORDS]" at 3.04  pm on Feb 15. It's much too soon to be fretting about refunding your buyer and lodging claims with the post office but any such claims must be addressed to Canada Post NOT USPS.

 

Tom 

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I have had the same thing happen a couple of times. Don't sweat it - it will eventually turn up. Just keep checking the number on the USPS site and not Canada Post.

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The reason I was worried about refund is because the buyer is very worried and was sending me a lot of messages. luckily he was very considerate when I told him the situation with weather (which actually was true) but the real problem probably was usps holding it in customs or they lost it.

I asked for tracking updates as suggested and the next day the tracking started again. Not sure if that was a coincidence but it did update.

If I do get a Usa expedited refund I'll tell you guys.

Thanks for the help.
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@bucklenshackle wrote:

I am currently trying to get a refund on the postage from Canada post, we shall see how that goes.

 

The buyer has agreed to wait 10 more days for the package to find its way to him.

 

BTW The item was $86.00 and cost $50 to ship.


 

About 10-15% of our domestic expedited parcels are late and since they have guarantee I diligently file claims biweekly and CanadaPost has been diligently sending me cheques. I think it's all automated, once or twice they tried  to refuse claim, then appeal through the person and it went through. Overall that's like additional 10-15% discount on postage.

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Something is up as i have 2 Expedited parcels stuck at customs. One shows Feb 17th and the other the 19th as the last scan dates. Never had a parcel stuck in customs this long before.
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Your package is moving again. Your buyer should be happy now.

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If they are going to the U.S. have you checked the USPS site? They often have more updated info.

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