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Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
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Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 1, 2012 08:27 PM
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(Reuters) - Caterpillar Inc is unilaterally implementing lower wage and benefit terms for locomotive manufacturing workers in London, Ontario after Canadian Auto Workers negotiations failed in the days leading up to a contract expiration.
Caterpillar's Electro-Motive Canada unit -- representing about 450 workers -- said in a statement it advised the CAW on Sunday morning that "it intends on implementing the wage and benefit terms of its last offer." The CAW has said those terms are not acceptable.
The company said "any employee who works for EMC after 11:59 p.m. of December 31, 2011 will be deemed to have accepted the wage and benefit terms of EMC's last offer."
On a website dedicated to negotiations, Electro-Motive Canada said CAW workers commenced a strike, but a CAW official told Reuters that was untrue.
"We're not on strike," Bob Orr, the official, said in a telephone interview on Sunday. "We're asking our workers to report for duty on the next shift (and) we're asking the company to return to the bargaining table."
On Friday, CAW members in London granted CAW officials the authority to strike if Electro-Motive unilaterally implemented new employment terms. Orr said the union was not using that power at this point.
The contract expiration and implementation of new terms for workers follow several months of negotiations between Caterpillar's Electro-Motive division and the CAW. Caterpillar has said its new contract offer was designed to make the company more competitive.
CAW officials have said the offer is unacceptable because it includes a more than 50 percent reduction in wage and health-care benefits, and an elimination of pension benefits.
Electro-Motive is part of Caterpillar's Alabama-based Progress Rail Services division, which competes with General Electric Co and Bombardier Inc. “I have decided to stick to love...Hate is too great a burden to bear.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 01:50 AM
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Sunday night the workers were locked out by the American company. Happy New Year
The view of one worker..............
Sitting at a table at a Tim Hortons, where she's stopped almost day on her way to work at London's Electro-Motive Diesel plant, she talks of the uncertainty ahead.
A single mother to an 18-year-old daughter, Gordon has been a welder at EMD since 2005.
Like her colleagues, she stands to lose a lot, both under a proposed contract that would gut workers' pay and benefits, and by being locked out.
"I'm just numb," she said Sunday.
Since she entered the workforce more than 20 years ago, finding a stable, well-paying job has been a struggle for the 39-year-old.
With only a high school education, she tried to make ends meet for her and her young daughter by working multiple part-time jobs, until her step-father suggested she go to school for welding.
That was 13 years ago.
Since then, Gordon has tried her best to work her way up the manufacturing chain. She's held welding jobs at a variety of local plants and factories, many of which closed to move to the U.S.
For most of her life, she worked a part-time job at a grocery store besides her full-time jobs, because she couldn't make ends meet on $15 an hour.
When she heard about a job opening at EMD six years ago, she took action.
"Getting into Electro-Motive was really, really hard," she said. "I went back to school to practice, to make sure my welding and my test was going to be perfect . . . I reviewed blueprint notes and theory notes just to make sure I was on top of my game . . . Jobs like that don't open up everyday. I just wanted to make sure I didn't mess up that opportunity."
Gordon said many people don't understand jobs such as those at Electro-Motive take years of work to get.
"This is not an entry-level job. Everybody who works in that plant is very, very skilled."
Now, with a threat her $35-an-hour wage will be cut to $16, Gordon is panicking. She picks up her last pay cheque this week, unsure of her next move. She knows she won't be able to make ends meet on strike pay of $200 a week, but she also knows how hard it is to find work in a city with 9.8% unemployment.
"I know how hard it was to get a job when I was laid off before, and nobody's going to want to hire me now that we're on strike," she said.
"Most of my jobs are union jobs and when you have that on a resume and you go to a place that might be hiring . . . but they're only paying $10 or $15 an hour, they don't want to hire you . . . because they know the first chance you get to get out of there, you're going to be gone."
When she was laid off from Electro-Motive in 2008 for 20 months, Gordon had to go on social assistance and frequent the food bank. Still trying to climb out of the hole she found herself in then, Gordon said she doesn't have much savings.
She estimates she pays about $1,500 each month in bills, rent and insurance. Tack on food, gas, and clothing and her expenses get pretty high. She gets no child support from her daughter's father, who she left 16 years ago, and worries about being able to help her daughter pay for college.
"She's going to have to start off her own life in debt, all because of corporate greed," Gordon said.
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And before the knives come out at this woman, remember she did everything everyone says to do. She took care of herself and her child. She got a better education. When work was not there she worked where she could. She did it all the right way and then along comes another American company and after buying the Canadian location they decide to move south (that's their real plans), after making record profits last year.
I don't know how these company owners and stock holders sleep at night. After all, the workers who made them their money are only human beings........and they're expendable like a trash bag.

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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 09:05 AM
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"CAW officials have said the offer is unacceptable because it includes a more than 50 percent reduction in wage and health-care benefits, and an elimination of pension benefits".
I don't kow how the CAW managed to get salaries ratcheted up so high over the years to where it all comes crashing down now. $35.00/hr here vs $16.00/hr there makes compelling economic sense to setting up shop there instead of here.
Corporate greed vs Union greed? Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 09:45 AM
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Who kows? Just mebbe in a small town somewhere i the Staes or Mexico, a local ewspaper or tv reporter is at this moment interviewing a lady named Kate. She is sitting on a chair at the local cantina or Dunkin' Donuts. A single mother to an 18-year-old daughter, she stands to gain a lot, Since she entered the workforce more than 20 years ago, finding a stable, well-paying job has been a struggle for the 39-year-old. With only a high school education, she tried to make ends meet for her and her young daughter by working multiple part-time jobs, until her step-father suggested she go to school for welding.
That was 13 years ago.
For most of her life, she worked a part-time job at a grocery store besides her full-time jobs, because she couldn't make ends meet on $6 an hour.
When she heard about a job opening at EMD next year, she took action.
"Getting into Electro-Motive will be really, really hard," she said. "I am going back to school to practice, to make sure my welding and my test was going to be perfect . . . I reviewed blueprint notes and theory notes just to make sure I was on top of my game . . . Jobs like this don't open up everyday. I just want to make sure I don't mess up this opportunity."
Many people don't understand jobs such as those at Electro-Motive take years of work to get.
"This is not an entry-level job. Everybody who works in that plant is very, very skilled."
She also knows how hard it is to find work in a city with 9.8% unemployment. She is very grateful to the CAW Union for beeing inflexible and motivated by greed.
Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 09:58 AM
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For most of her life, she worked a part-time job at a grocery store besides her full-time jobs, because she couldn't make ends meet on $15 an hour.
why not? maybe she needs to change her lifestyle a little?
$15 X 40 X 52 =$31200 a year. She has a daughter and is a single mother therefore she is paying very little in income tax. also as a single mother she was getting about $175 a month in baby bonus until age 18 (my kids started working at 15 so I assume the child is now working at least part-time)
this leaves her about $2500 a month to live on.
If a family of 2 cannot live on $2500 a month (shot me now) they need to change their way of life a little. Maybe let the car get older than 3 years before a new one and maybe they do not need a new TV in every room and maybe they could cook at home rather than eat out.
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 10:33 AM
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The handwriting has been on the wall - unfortunately - for EMD for a few years now. Greenbriar methodically pulled dept by dept of salary jobs out of London and moved them to LaGrange over the years. Folks had to know it was NOT a good move when the place was sold to Caterpillar.
Compare to the other locomotive maker in North America - GE, in Erie PA - who ratified their contract last June for 4 years:
http://www.ueunion.org/unity2011_summary.html#wages
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 12:00 PM
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anyone who thinks that a return to serf's wages for unionized workers is going to usher in a new golden age of plenty and prosperity in Canada is completely and utterly delusional.
We are already in a situation where workers' relative earnings are dropping in relation to those of the very few wealthy out there. You can't say union workers are overpaid. As we have seen over the past few months, they are simply less underpaid than the masses of minimum-ish wage earners across the country.
Meanwhile, these corporations are sitting on such a vast stockpile of excess profits earned in Canada (but destined for investment where and when???) that even Stephen Harper is getting ~a bit~ impatient with them.
The collapse of the middle class could happen overnight. Up until now it has been gradual, but how much squeezing can the weak middle of the economy absorb?
How long before real estate values start to plummet?
Don't forget, our finance minister is a guy who didn't even know we were smack in the middle of the biggest recession since 1929. And he goes lecturing his counterparts around the world, even though if he had been in Paul Martin's place in the early 2000s, Canada would be way less well off right now.
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 12:06 PM
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$15 X 40 X 52 =$31200 a year. She has a daughter and is a single mother therefore she is paying very little in income tax. also as a single mother she was getting about $175 a month in baby bonus until age 18 (my kids started working at 15 so I assume the child is now working at least part-time)
this leaves her about $2500 a month to live on.
If a family of 2 cannot live on $2500 a month (shot me now) they need to change their way of life a little. Maybe let the car get older than 3 years before a new one and maybe they do not need a new TV in every room and maybe they could cook at home rather than eat out.
I can see math skills aren't particularly high around here.
Let's relook at this.
So her pay works out to around $31,000.
Drop that amount by 20% for taxes (both income and retail purchases): we're left with around $24,000
About $2,000 a month.
Food for two: about $400
Rent (2 bedroom apartment in London): about $850
Internet: $100
Medical and dental: $100
Clothes: $200
Car payment, insurance, gas and oil, repairs: $200
Savings (RESP, RRSP etc): ???
Hmmm...pretty close to the line and not much in there for any major surprises. Particularly as her pension, if indeed she has one, is not likely to be guaranteed in todays corporate climate.
Amazing how far from the poverty line $15 per hour is, and yet how little it provides for folks to actually prosper!
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 12:07 PM
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anyone who thinks that a return to serf's wages for unionized workers is going to usher in a new golden age of plenty and prosperity in Canada is completely and utterly delusional.
All the condemers here are losing nothing.

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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 12:25 PM
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It's this type of modern engine unfortunately that will displace those made here in London.
Gas turbine electric. Click on the video link, this thing rocks!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLD ONTO YOUR SOCKS Holy Bullet Train Batman!!! Want to go for a ride? Here’s the deal: You have to appreciate the speed from the shot from the bridge. You thought the train from Paris to Avion was fast at 300 km/h, but this is something else. I wonder how far back it has to begin slowing down for the station. Imagine going through a station at full speed! This is a high speed train built by the Alstom rail group in Belfort, France. They share manufacturing facilities with the GE Energy Products Europe (EPE) Gas Turbine group. The video was provided by the GE EPE Chief Engineer in Belfort .
The train hit 574.8 Km/h which works out to 357.2 MPH or Mach 0.482...wow! In particular, watch the train going under a bridge with people watching. This is FAST!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVMKmx4Cshc Money can't buy back your youth when you're old
Or the loss of a loved one or a love that's grown cold
Make one thing for certain when it comes your time
You leave this old world with a satisfied mind
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 01:07 PM
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let me correct your error-of which there are many!!!
can see math skills aren't particularly high around here.
Let's relook at this.
So her pay works out to around $31,000.
Drop that amount by 20% for taxes (both income and retail purchases): we're left with around $24,000---sorry wrong as she gets to claim her daughter as 'eligible dependantso she would be paying income taxes as if she was only earning about $8,000 a year. or about $1,000 a year
About $2,000 a month.---$31,000 less EI and CPP and about $1,000 a year in taxes leaves her with $2350+ a month and then add in "baby bonus of about $175.00 a month leaves her with $2500 a month
Food for two: about $400
Rent (2 bedroom apartment in London): about $850
Internet: $100--internet is $50 and NOT a nessicity
Medical and dental: $100-- ever heard of OHIP that pays medical and a blue cross plan for a family of 2 would run about$50 a month MAX
Clothes: $200--high maintanence is spending $200 a month on clothes
Car payment, insurance, gas and oil, repairs: $200
Savings (RESP, RRSP etc): ???---bus pass $45 a month (if that) each thats $100 a month
Hmmm...pretty close to the line and not much in there for any major surprises. Particularly as her pension, if indeed she has one, is not likely to be guaranteed in todays corporate climate.
even going with YOUR figures which are very high and her income shown very low her expenses would be $1850 a month leaving her $150 a month for savings and that does not include the amount she would get for baby bonus plus the fact an 18 year old should be able to work at least 10 hours a week at minimum wage ($10.35) gving the daughter at least $100 a week to pay for her own "clothes" leaving the mother an extra $100 a month for savings
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 01:08 PM
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High speed will not be used for hauling freight - that will be for the fast-track commuter trains that are in the works to carry commuters the long distances they have to commute now to their places of work.
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 01:10 PM
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$100 a month for clothes - shoes - coats - boots - undergarments - miscellaneous personal hygiene items - really?? What world are YOU living in???
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 01:32 PM
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About $2,000 a month.---$31,000 less EI and CPP and about $1,000 a year in taxes leaves her with $2350+ a month and then add in "baby bonus of about $175.00 a month leaves her with $2500 a month
just went and did the calculations for you--on $31,200 in income with and eligible dependant she would pay $1910.91 in CPP and EI and $724.21 in federal taxes and $411.96 in provincial taxes. this leaves her with $28,152 or $2346 a month. plus baby bonus of $219 a month and HST rebate of $53 a month. so $2618 a month--now with even YOUR calculations she has almost $800 a month extra
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 02:16 PM
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chat-it-up wrote:
About $2,000 a month.---$31,000 less EI and CPP and about $1,000 a year in taxes leaves her with $2350+ a month and then add in "baby bonus of about $175.00 a month leaves her with $2500 a month
just went and did the calculations for you--on $31,200 in income with and eligible dependant she would pay $1910.91 in CPP and EI and $724.21 in federal taxes and $411.96 in provincial taxes. this leaves her with $28,152 or $2346 a month. plus baby bonus of $219 a month and HST rebate of $53 a month. so $2618 a month--now with even YOUR calculations she has almost $800 a month extra

Yes Chat but perhaps she has some expensive habits/addictions we're not aware of which take precedence over all other expenses. $800 extra may not be enuff. Money can't buy back your youth when you're old
Or the loss of a loved one or a love that's grown cold
Make one thing for certain when it comes your time
You leave this old world with a satisfied mind
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 02:23 PM
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perhaps she has some expensive habits/addictions we're not aware of which take precedence over all other expenses.
STOP the subtle innuendos. What is wrong with you people!

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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 02:39 PM
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STOP the subtle innuendos. What is wrong with you people!
whats wrong with YOU? just because the union forced the company to accept their terms in the past does not make people entitled for LIFE. She has a choice !
1--cut to $16 an hour and continue to work and live
or 2- see the jobs leave and make $0.00 per hour and go on welfare where she can then complain that she is not getting enough money but for some reason it will be LESS than what the company is offering.
It's time allot of people started to tighten the belt and stop living for today!
even based on your other flunky's math she can make do on $15 and hour and they are offering $16 (plus benifits) and she was making $35 so based on that if she was not living to high on the hog for these past 5 years she has worked there she should have $197,000 in the bank ($19 [difference between $35 and $16 an hour] x 40 hours a week x 52 weeks a year x 5 years) actually she would be in a higher tax bracket so she would have paid more in taxes but that still leaves her with at least $100,000 in savings
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 02:44 PM
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I was talking about the habits and addictions comment mikey.

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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 03:02 PM
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Workers have a right to have MORE than a basic life. Maybe they would like to buy a home. Maybe they would like to take their child or children to Disneyland. Maybe they would like to go out for Chinese food and not have to worry. Maybe they would like to have money to put their children through college or university. All of these things that managers and CEOs and stock holders don’t have to worry about. Without ‘workers’ there would be no companies and no rich greedy thoughtless people. Your workers are your family, they are everything. Even the children of rich people, wouldn’t have what they have but for the workers of their parents company.
There was a story a few years back about a mill in the USA. It was the main employer of the small town. One day it burnt down. The workers knew the owner was elderly and they thought that he would not rebuild and they would be out of work with little to turn to. However…….not only did the owner rebuild but he also paid every worker their weekly wages as usual until the mill was rebuilt. He said that he wouldn’t have what he had if it were not for the workers. His family would not have what they had if it were not for his employees and the town would not be what it is if it were not for those hard workers. He was not only an employer, but a true human being.

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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 03:08 PM
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Drop that amount by 20% for taxes (both income and retail purchases): we're left with around $24,000---sorry wrong as she gets to claim her daughter as 'eligible dependantso she would be paying income taxes as if she was only earning about $8,000 a year. or about $1,000 a year
Again, please read what I posted.
That includes her income tax AND retail taxes (HST), which is light.
On average, the typical family pays out 40% of their income on taxes.
And internet is a necessity: it's a choice between high speed and lower speed/capped downloads. I'm assuming, for $100/month, she is able to get a VOIP phone as well.
And that doesn't address cell phones/text messaging for a teenager which is almost required.
Teens in high school and part-time jobs. First, the money my teens earned was their money. Not household monies and not monies for necessities. So quit counting that against the household income.
Second, part-tme jobs for students are tough to come by in this job climate. So that is a bit of wishful thinking.
And finally, many parents don't encourage part-time jobs as it takes away from schoolwork and lowers grades. And assumes the young lady has no social life, has no interest in sports programs etc.
So no, my figures aren't off. And a subsistence living at $2K per month is not right.
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 03:10 PM
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There was a story a few years back about a mill in the USA. It was the main employer of the small town. One day it burnt down. The workers knew the owner was elderly and they thought that he would not rebuild and they would be out of work with little to turn to. However…….not only did the owner rebuild but he also paid every worker their weekly wages as usual until the mill was rebuilt. He said that he wouldn’t have what he had if it were not for the workers. His family would not have what they had if it were not for his employees and the town would not be what it is if it were not for those hard workers. He was not only an employer, but a true human being.
Sadly, outside of a few (very few) small-to-mid-size businesses, there are few that would be allowed to do such good work today, if only because of the demands that impersonal management boards place on profit margins.
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 03:16 PM
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Medical and dental: $100-- ever heard of OHIP that pays medical and a blue cross plan for a family of 2 would run about$50 a month MAX
Go to the Blue Cross site: pump in the details on a single mom with a teenage daughter.
Basic coverage starts at $143.24 per month (assuming non-smoker).
That doesn't include dental.
Now factor in dental at $200 per visit. Once every three months at a minimum. Factor in X-rays and any dental work, and you start very quickly approaching $1K for the visit.
And try to find a dental plan that provides reasonable coverage.
Good luck.
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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 03:27 PM
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He's way behind in the times spyguy. Maybe he's still on workman's comp. Only thing he can pick up is a keyboard.

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Re: Caterpillar sets new pay terms; CAW not striking
Jan 2, 2012 03:32 PM
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On average, the typical family pays out 40% of their income on taxes."
Said 30k single parent is paying anywhere clsoe to 40% in taxes. Anyone hard up is getting mroe back in hst rebate then they can spend on hst taxbale items
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