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Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 12:54 AM
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LOL
More CON love!
At least money for those jets is still on the table, eh?
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 01:00 AM
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At least money for those jets is still on the table, eh?
That may be cancelled by the U.S.
It seems they do have untold amounts of money for other things though. I just wish they'd tell how much.
I just wish taxpayers would remember that they work for us. If your accountant refused to tell you how much a program would cost you that they insist you invest in, how long would they be your accountant?
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 07:21 AM
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“They haven’t really fulfilled their investment commitment, and to have closed the program early when there is so much money still on the table, that’s surprising and it’s shocking, really,” said Mr. Murdock, who is also a member of the Save ecoENERGY Coalition, a national group of industry associations, environmental organizations and small businesses that wants to grow the market for home energy retrofits.
what a load--maybe mr. Murdock will actually explain how he knows this?
I have used this program and you have to apply (which according to the article 250,000 did) You have a test done on your house, THEN you have 1 year to have the work done and submit your paperwork.
They have no idea how much money is left or if this might actually go over budget. They will not know this for months.
By the way where was the RANT from the people of Ontario when the provincial government canceled the matching part of this 2 years ago?
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:34 AM
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"At least money for those jets is still on the table, eh?"
Guess I missed it going on the table. What budget Les was that money allocated? My understanding is it would be in a future budget like about 2018, if at all the way the program is progressing.
Is it not better Les to cut nice to have discretionary programs in time of deficits instead of axing major social programs like the Liberals did in the 90s?
Money can't buy back your youth when you're old
Or the loss of a loved one or a love that's grown cold
Make one thing for certain when it comes your time
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:54 AM
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But Jeff Murdock, the vice-president of a Vancouver-based energy audit company, says that is entirely different from helping Canadians improve their homes and cut fuel bills. Mr. Murdock’s industry estimates that, by capping the registration at this point, the federal government will invest $192-million at most in eco-energy retrofit grants.
Darn!!!! I missed this part !!
Maybe a bit biased-you think?
to be eligible for this grant you have to hire an "energy audit Company" and pay them anywhere between $500 and $1,000 for them to come to your house for 1/2 hour to do a test and then fill in some paperwork.
I guess with this program not running it is really going to hurt his business.
WHY is it that things like this are NEVER mentioned in the article?
And no this money is NOT paid for out of the grant this is out of people's pockets and does not qualify for re-imbursment.
And let me get this straight !. He says by closing down applications 2 months early that over 1/2 of the money will not get spent? They say 250,000 (since the program started) people already applied and he figures that they will only spend $196 Million of the $400 Million.
That would mean that he figures that 260,000 more people will be applying in the next 2 months to use the additional $204 Million.
His numbers are all wrong and he is a bit biased. The average refund under this program was just over $2,000 , which would mean that they will in fact go over budget by about $100 million.
The figures this guy provides has the average at $784. NOBODY will pay $500-$1,000 for an audit to get back $800 (they also have to pay for new windows and doors, etc.)
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 09:04 AM
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chat-it-up wrote:
“They haven’t really fulfilled their investment commitment, and to have closed the program early when there is so much money still on the table, that’s surprising and it’s shocking, really,” said Mr. Murdock, who is also a member of the Save ecoENERGY Coalition, a national group of industry associations, environmental organizations and small businesses that wants to grow the market for home energy retrofits.
what a load--maybe mr. Murdock will actually explain how he knows this?
I have used this program and you have to apply (which according to the article 250,000 did) You have a test done on your house, THEN you have 1 year to have the work done and submit your paperwork.
They have no idea how much money is left or if this might actually go over budget. They will not know this for months.
By the way where was the RANT from the people of Ontario when the provincial government canceled the matching part of this 2 years ago?
It is OK for a Liberal government to lie and scam but a conservative government is not even allowed to govern without major screeching from the antis..
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 03:02 PM
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From the article: Only when the details of how the money would be awarded were rolled out in July, after the Conservatives had won a majority, did the government state that it would be limited to 250,000 people.
So, in fact, they did publish a limit on the program - and it was reached - the program was ended - as it should have been. If they had continued after the 250,000, they would have been accused of overspending.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 07:46 PM
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If they had continued after the 250,000, they would have been accused of overspending.
Noooo they certainly don't want to overspend. People getting energy efficient homes, one must watch their spending on that...... but not forget buying new jets and giving more tax breaks to corporations owned by already rich people.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:04 PM
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but not forget buying new jets and giv
why don't you drive to Trenton and tell the pilots that you don't think they deserve new jets to help defend you and if 1,2 or 30 die while flying the old jets thats just part of their job.
I know how much you think people should go tell other how they feel maybe you should walk the walk rather than just being all talk!!
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:14 PM
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So, in fact, they did publish a limit on the program - and it was reached - the program was ended - as it should have been. If they had continued after the 250,000, they would have been accused of overspending.
They actually promised $400. million towards the program as part of Canada's Economic Action Plan. It wasn't until after the election that they cut it down to a number of homes instead of money. They've only spent $195 million of the promised $400 million so they can't be accused of overspending.
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real satisfaction, that day is a loss.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:22 PM
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why don't you drive to Trenton and tell the pilots that you don't think they deserve new jets to help defend you and if 1,2 or 30 die while flying the old jets thats just part of their job
Trenton's a bit of a schlep. Would it be adequate if I just called them on the phone? Got a number mikey?
Oh and who are they defending us from? Are there aircraft heading for Canada? Is there an armada of ships off the coast? And what type of aircraft does one need really to drop bombs or shoot people on the ground herding goats or in the process of being married.
And don't play the old jets and flyers dying. There is nothing wrong with our jets. My uncle spent 34 years in the Canadian Air Force and we discussed this back when the purchase was announced and even he said there was nothing wrong with them....and he praised the ground crews that kept them in perfect running condition....but he also said it's "nice to have all the new toys and keep up with the other forces we work with".
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:25 PM
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They've only spent $195 million of the promised $400 million so they can't be accused of overspending.
I heard that on the news earlier but just caught the tail end of it.
So basically Harper is playing a switching shell game with the people.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:31 PM
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why don't you drive to Trenton and tell the pilots that you don't think they deserve new jets to help defend you and if 1,2 or 30 die while flying the old jets thats just part of their job.
The next time we are ~defended~ by someone from Trenton flying a $$??,???,??? jet let me know chat - I will write a poem in honour of your own brave defence of our impotent government.
And just out of curiosity, what is the sense of budgeting to buy jets in 2018 - when our military will be based on the moon by then?
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:32 PM
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The program was originally slated to end on aMarch 31, 2012 and $400. million was promised.
From the Gov'ts own website:
The ecoENERGY Retrofit – Homes program provides grants up to $5,000 to help homeowners make their homes more energy-efficient and reduce the burden of high energy costs. The Government of Canada has renewed the program from June 6, 2011, until March 31, 2012.
Since the program was launched in April 2007, the Government of Canada has committed a total of $1.145 billion for the ecoENERGY Retrofit – Homes program, including $400 million for fiscal year 2011-12.
They've only spent half of that. The Gov't says it's part of their cutbacks. They didn't change it until much later with the 250,000 figure, presumably as a reason to cut it off.
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as one in which he has had some fun, some joy, some
real satisfaction, that day is a loss.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:36 PM
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They actually promised $400. million towards the program as part of Canada's Economic Action Plan. It wasn't until after the election that they cut it down to a number of homes instead of money. They've only spent $195 million of the promised $400 million so they can't be accused of overspending.
Before you insert your foot further into your mouth why don't you go and find out how the program works?
First people have to get an "energy audit" on thier home (the guy complaining owns a company making big money on this). This costs from $500-$1000 (non-refundable)
You then have at least 1 year to do renovations on your house (insulation,windows,doors,furnace,water heater are the main ones)
Then you call back the person that did the energy audit and he checks what you did and what the changes were.
They then send in your file for your rebate.
They had this program before and just because they have stopped accepting NEW applications does not mean they are done paying out on claims.
with 250,000 applications out there they will come close to their $400 million.
right now according to the $195 million with 250,000 aplications that works out to an average of $780 each.
Nobody is spending $500 (never seen it cheaper) to get $780 back. Remember they also have to then spend on the renovations.
As an example this is about what they get (still have my pacakge here)
replace your water heater to an energy star qaulified unit ---$315
basement header insulation to R20--$125
low flush toilet -$65
new energy star furnace--$650
exterior wall insulation -up to $1875
ceiling wall insulation--up to $750
windows--$40 each
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:36 PM
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prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil wrote:
And don't play the old jets and flyers dying. There is nothing wrong with our jets. My uncle spent 34 years in the Canadian Air Force and we discussed this back when the purchase was announced and even he said there was nothing wrong with them....and he praised the ground crews that kept them in perfect running condition....but he also said it's "nice to have all the new toys and keep up with the other forces we work with".
Approximately 20% of our Jets have crashed and there is nothing wrong with them.
I guess if they weren't in perfect running condition we would have lost 80%.....LOL
The Canadian Forces have lost 17 CF-18 jets, the latest in a crash near CFB Cold Lake in November 2010. Nine CF-18 pilots have been killed. No CF-18s have been lost in combat.
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Canadian Forces Air Command has 79 CF-18 jets in operational use. They are based out of CFB Bagotville in Quebec and CFB Cold Lake in Alberta, although a few are stationed at CFB Trenton, in part for the protection of Ontario's nuclear facilities.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:36 PM
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prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil wrote:
If they had continued after the 250,000, they would have been accused of overspending.
Noooo they certainly don't want to overspend. People getting energy efficient homes, one must watch their spending on that...... but not forget buying new jets and giving more tax breaks to corporations owned by already rich people.
They could buy used submarines like the Liberals. One of which is a burned out hulk, one list so badly it is unusable, and none of them can even fire a torpedo.
great buy , Liberals.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:38 PM
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Did you hear Imperial Oil just posted a 26% increase in profits.
Harper's decrease in Corporate taxes will help them get over the loss of not reaching 27%.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:41 PM
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They could buy used submarines like the Liberals.
Well for those who say I don't listen and I don't agree........lol (just a small laugh).....I totally agree. The sub deal was a disaster. Which just goes to prove..........most politicians are the same.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:47 PM
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Before you insert your foot further into your mouth why don't you go and find out how the program works?
I don't care how it works. I know they promised $400. million for the program prior to the election and then changed it after the election. Many people were caught off guard and just cut off with no warning. Read any article by the companies that took the applications and they'll tell you.
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real satisfaction, that day is a loss.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:55 PM
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The Canadian Forces have lost 17 CF-18 jets, the latest in a crash near CFB Cold Lake in November 2010. Nine CF-18 pilots have been killed. No CF-18s have been lost in combat.
I guess the next reason would be ...........why? Do you know for a fact that it is because of inferior aircraft? I wasn't even going to offer an opinion on it being as it's something that is not my area.....I simply passed on what an experienced Canadian Air Force man told me.
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:55 PM
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"The sub deal was a disaster"
As was the helicopter procurement.
Requiem for the Sea King
They are known as the "ancient" Sea Kings, the "geriatric" Sea Kings, the "venerable" Sea Kings. They have been called "flying coffins." Purchased with considerable fanfare by the federal government in 1963, when they turned heads with their impressive exploits, the Sea Kings are now a sick, aging fleet, with pieces literally falling out of the skies. Canada bought 41 of the single-rotor Sea Kings, technically known as the Sikorsky CH-124 Sea King. Twenty-eight of them remain in service, and those still flying are often hit by flameouts, engine stalls, generator failures and gearbox problems. Pilots have died flying them, falling into oceans, crashing into muskeg – more so the older they get. After the federal government renewed the bidding process in 1999 to replace the fleet, builders around the world jockeyed for position to win the contract.
In the end, Canada chose Sikorsky to replace the Sea Kings. In July 2004, newly appointed Defence Minister Bill Graham announced that Ottawa will spend $3.2 billion on 28 Sikorsky S-92 helicopters, to be known as Cyclones. The medium-lift utility helicopter was inspired by the design of the company's Black Hawk and Seahawk helicopters.
The Sea Kings were supposed to have been retired by 2000, but the air force prolonged their life by spending $80 million to keep them flying until 2005. The Sea Kings require 30 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight, and they are unavailable for operations 40 per cent of the time.
The government must now spend more money to keep the Sea Kings in the air. The contract for the new Sikorsky helicopters calls for the first air craft to be delivered on Nov. 30, 2008.
"The technologies on the aircraft are showing their age," said Col. Brian Akitt in December 2001. Akitt was the commanding officer of the remaining fleet of 28 Sea Kings based at Shearwater and Patricia Bay in British Columbia.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/seaking.html
Money can't buy back your youth when you're old
Or the loss of a loved one or a love that's grown cold
Make one thing for certain when it comes your time
You leave this old world with a satisfied mind
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Re: Don't bother applying for the Federal Gov't home energy savings program
Jan 31, 2012 08:56 PM
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I don't care how it works. I know they promised $400. million for the program prior to the election and then changed it after the election. Many people were caught off guard and just cut off with no warning. Read any article by the companies that took the applications and they'll tell you.
Just add them to the list of the near elderly who won't be voting for Stevie next time around.
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