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Fed housing help needed

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Fed housing help needed
Feb 10, 2012 06:17 PM

MUNCEY - The federal government’s failure to help First Nations communities deal with deficient housing has those communities turning increasingly to the private sector for help.

The latest example came Friday when Munsee-Delaware Nation west of London showcased two of the five new homes built by borrowing $775,000 from banking institution BMO.

Chief Patrick Waddilove said of the 70 homes on the reserve of 170 persons, about 30 or 40 need to be replaced because of issues like mould.

"A lot of our people who need housing are on fixed incomes and can't afford it," he said. Nearly 400 other members of the Munsee-Delaware Nation live off-reserve and many might move onto the reserve if housing was available.

A broadly smiling Luke Waddilove, 38, moved into one of the prefabricated homes with his eight-year-old son Kaiden. Waddilove, born on the reserve, has wanted to return to his home for years.

"I can't wipe the smile off my face," Waddilove, a cousin of the chief who has lived in London, said as he showed off his new 1,200-square-foot home.

Housing issues are widespread in the seven First Nations communities in Southwestern Ontario, said Mike George, executive director of the Southern First Nations Secretariat at Moraviantown.

George said the percentage of substandard housing at Munsee-Delaware is higher than in other communities.

But the practice of turning to private lenders is being increasingly turned to by impatient communities tired of waiting for Ottawa to help.

"First Nations have had to use their capital to deal with this," he said.

"This marks a failure on the part o the feds," he said.

Because the federal government has not relinquished title to land on which reserves were created, lenders are reluctant to come forward to help with housing because in the event of foreclosure clear title the land cannot be obtained.

"There is no private market," George said so the federal government was traditionally relied upon to help with housing issues.

The Oneida settlement has no such problem because it sits on land originally purchased outright by the Oneidas in 1842.

 

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http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/02/10/19365931.html


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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 10, 2012 08:35 PM

WOW-when i needed a new home I went to Scotiabank they had better homes.

I have to borrow for my home they can borrow for theirs.

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 10, 2012 11:07 PM

Those living in the homes pay rent-to-own for 20 years. If they default, the First Nation finds another occupant anxious for housing.

Sounds OK, except: What happens to the defaulters?  Sounds like they get kicked out, so where do they go?  

 

40/70 homes have seriuous mould issues?  How come? Do Buildig Codes not apply to homes constructed on Native land?  No inspection process at various times during construction?

 


Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 10, 2012 11:37 PM

I saw the report on CTV.

From what I saw is that the problem with the substandard housing appeared to be due to neglect.

Private lenders and contractors are relunctant to lend money or do work when niether can put a lien on the homes if the owners default on payment.

It is a lot to expect the home owners to maintain them properly if they don't have access to experts.

 

It was nice to see BMO get involved.

 

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 10, 2012 11:57 PM

From what I saw is that the problem with the substandard housing appeared to be due to neglect.

 

Are you saying those Natives are neglecting their homes?






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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 10, 2012 11:58 PM

No good results from never changing the oil or the tires on the car you drive. 


Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 12:05 AM

Basic home maintenance can only accomplish so much.  If there are gaps in the insulation or vapour barrier, or the bathroom ceiling fan is allowed to vent dirctly into the attic, it is a recipe for mould.

Our home, a "starter" power-of-sale special  has given us a few suprises.

The bones have to be good.   Neglect in properly building something in the first place sounds like where the neglect process started.


Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 01:12 AM

In Attawapiskat it's about -30 ... the ice road has opened and the homes will arrive soon.

However ...

Now, due to the gov't-appointed 3'rd party manager in control of all band funds .... there is an issue paying the deBeers people to grade the land the trailers will sit on ...

Another gov't created boondoggle.

The plan is to at least get the homes up there while the road lasts .... plus they will be guarded 24/7 ... and the rest they will sort out later. Which means the people may not get to actually sleep in the homes until March ... or later ....


"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power"

Benito Mussolini

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 08:29 AM

So sick of hearing how reserves everywhere need homes . This is gettting really old ... My wives parents both have illness that make moving for them very hard and nobody is given them squat .. Little pension and disablility for working for 25 years but a free house helllllllll no .. So tired of it earn your own just like the rest of us ..Move if you have to just like the rest of us

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 08:30 AM

Seen 2 homes headed there just the other day : )

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 08:36 AM

"Now, due to the gov't-appointed 3'rd party manager in control of all band funds .... there is an issue paying the deBeers people to grade the land the trailers will sit on "

 

Problems have resulted from the Chief's well documented personal petty inability to work with the 3rd party manager.   I haven't read or seen anything to indicate deBeers wants renumeration for the help that it has been providing. 


Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 08:40 AM

So sick of hearing……..

 

I guess someone would have to start at the beginning to teach you about everything you need to know.

 

the ice road has opened and the homes will arrive soon. However ...

 

The military can set up a solid temporary warm, comfortable, very sustainable camp in about a week if not less. They’re not busy….so what’s the problem.






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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 08:42 AM

Problems have resulted from the Chief's well documented personal petty inability

 

'petty'.....incorrect. 'personal'.....incorrect.






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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 08:44 AM

"Attawapiskat - what is deBeers doing to help"

http://netnewsledger.com/2011/12/01/attawapiskat-what-is-de-beers-doing-to-help/

 

 


Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 09:12 AM

 

'petty'.....incorrect. 'personal'.....incorrect.

 

Yeah - you're so right.  Theresa Spence has such a cordial working relationship with Jacques Marion that she didn't initiate a court hearing on the matter, and... "In the judge's words, there is "a significant amount of frustration, anger and distrust" among the people involved and an "almost unexplainable gap in perceptions" between the two sides."

Seems to me that Theresa Spence is trying to prevent Jacques Marion from doing his job.  But hey, that's just my pereption.

 

 

Charlie Angus speaking of John Duncan:  "He has cut off the funding that is needed to actually prepare the site so the modular homes can be brought in.”

Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan said the funds haven’t been released because the band leadership has refused to give the third-party manager requested information.

“We have a manager in place and he wants to work with the First Nations leadership in the community,” said Duncan. “He has asked for and not received the information he needs in order to pay the bills that this member from Timmins is asking for.”

http://aptn.ca/pages/news/2012/02/01/attawapiskat-third-party-manager-sitting-on-funds-for-new-houses-ndp-mp-angus/


Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 09:25 AM

An editorial that you don't read in the controlled media, or pointed out by bigots and racists in Canada.........

 

There was a joke floating around several years ago, with an American and Canadian arguing the benefits of their respective countries.

The Canadian lashed out at the American "At least in Canada, we don't have ghettos", to which the American replied,  "I know. You call them "reserves""  Most of our cities do have ghettos, areas set aside for the poor, but the way in which many of our First Nations are forced to live, gives Canada no moral authority to criticize anyone.

I was sent a link to a story yesterday, a press release from 2005, after an agreement was reached between the community of Attawapiskat and De Beers Canada. There was a sense of camaraderie, as both sides were simply then waiting for the environmental assessment before the project could begin.  De Beers had held over 100 community meetings to sell the mines as a major boon to the economy of the region.

Former Attawapiskat Chief Mike Carpenter said , “De Beers Canada’s diamond mine is the first and only opportunity our community has ever had to break free of our soul-destroying poverty”
... among other issues, the mine sparked debate within the community regarding how to proceed given their longstanding interest in environmental protection and cultural preservation on one hand, and the economic benefits the mine could bring on the other (Inf. #2, 8). According to one informant, “the community was wary of the colonial history of De Beers and the mining industry`s track record with Aboriginal communities” This was to be a partnership, with the promise of prosperity for all.

So what went wrong?  Why four years later were the people of Attawapiskat forced to put up road blocks, and why two years after that, are we still seeing images of "soul-destroying poverty"?  According to residents, De Beers has not been honouring the Impact Benefit Agreement (3), and viewing the images we've seen the past week or so, it would be hard not to agree.

In Ezra Levant's rant, in which he blamed the "greedy" aboriginal community, he implied that at least one resident blamed the situation on their leaders, meaning that they agreed with the accusations of fund mismanagement.  However, when I read comments from the community, the anger with their leaders, is over the agreement to allow De Beers to set up shop in the first place.

Besides worsening poverty, the community is subjected to racial attacks, workplace inequality and environmental damage, as a result of the mining operation. 


De Beers claimed in 2005, that they were sensitive to the needs of the community, understanding that once the diamonds were gone, they would be too, so wanted to leave the area in a better condition than it was when they went in.  Instead they will be leaving Attawapiskat, not only poorer, but in turmoil.

But What of That Big Screen TV?

The right-wing noise machine has made much of the image of a big screen TV, a hockey rink with a Zamboni and a late model truck found in a ditch.  If we gave them all that money, why did they waste it on such frivolous things?

A big screen TV would not be out of place in the homes of De Beers executives.  In fact if we were watching a video of one of their estates and in the backyard there was an old rundown shack, we would question why with all their money they didn't have the eyesore removed.

The sight of that TV surrounded by such squalor, is actually a symbol of promises made and promises not kept.  There should have been a big TV in every home and no one in the community should be forced to live in poverty.

The Victor Mine is producing 600,000 carats of diamonds per year.  The provincial government receives an 11% levee and the federal government, 15% in corporate taxes.  All money coming from diamonds being extracted from land owned by the Attawapiskat people.

Maybe instead of sending in auditors to examine the books of the reserve, we should send the auditors to the government offices and De Beers.  Where is the adequate housing and largess, promised by this "partnership"?  They are not receiving "public" hand outs, but their share of tax revenues and corporate profit.

Blogger BC Blue, brought up NDP’s Ian Capstick's interview on Power and Politics.  Capstick speaks of visiting the reserve with Jack Layton, and being so moved that they sent sports equipment.  I have to admit that my first reaction was sports equipment?  Are you kidding me?

However, sometimes small gestures can make a huge difference.

I'm reminded of a story that I read several years ago in the Readers Digest.  It was from a Canadian Vet who had been in Holland during the Liberation.  He spoke of Dutch children who would often surround their camp, and how moved the Canadian soldiers were by the forlorn faces of these young people who had known nothing but war.

So the cook took what extra provisions they had and whipped up a batch donuts, and that snapshot in history, of those sticky smiling faces, left a lasting impression on the author of the story.  That cook couldn't change what had happened, but he offered a glimmer of hope, and sometimes that's all we can do. 

Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence kicked out the auditor sent by Harper, telling them that she just wasn't going to take it anymore.  I am so proud of her.

The Harper government only moves in when the corporate sector is in trouble.

When lumber giant Domtar, was facing blockades at Barriere Lake, Harper placed the reserve under Third Party Management, and replaced the elected chief with corporate friendly Casey Ratt.

When a doctor reported a high occurrence of a rare form of cancer at Fort Chipewa, downstream from the tar sands, the Harper government vilified the physican, and when he appeared at a Parliamentary committee with an environmentalist, Conservative Peter Braid, that bumbling idiot, went on the attack, attempting to discredit them both.

That's what passes for democracy in Harperland.

His recent attempted takeover of the affairs of Attawapiskat, is just more corporate protectionism, and we all need to stand with Chief Spence.  How much more can they be victimized?

 

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"The federal government is forcing the troubled Attawapiskat First Nation to pay a private-sector consultant about $1,300 a day to run its finances – even though the government's own assessments say the third-party management system is not cost-effective.

Aboriginal Affairs officials told The Canadian Press they have an agreement to pay Jacques Marion of BDO Canada LLP a total of $180,000 to look after the reserve's accounts from now until June 30.

The money comes from the Attawapiskat First Nation's budget. That rate over the course of a year would run up to $300,000 and easily pay for at least one nice, solid house, notes Mushkegowuk Grand Chief Stan Louttit.

“And [Aboriginal Affairs] should pay for this over and above First Nations existing budgets,” he said.

Instead, the band will soon find itself cutting off educational assistants and aides for special-needs children in order to scrape together the money to pay the consultant, said New Democrat MP Charlie Angus, whose Northern Ontario riding includes Attawapiskat."






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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 09:29 AM

The plan is to at least get the homes up there while the road lasts .... plus they will be guarded 24/7 ...

 

 

 

 

They must be afraid the Indians will make the new houses look like the old houses before they even get them in place.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 09:40 AM

"The federal government is forcing the troubled Attawapiskat First Nation to pay a private-sector consultant about $1,300 a day to run its finances – even though the government's own assessments say the third-party management system is not cost-effective."

 

$1,300 falls within the accepted pay scale.   Third party management seems entirely reasonable in this instance of a Chief and her buddy that holds the money bag sharing a cozy relationship.

 


Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. "Warren Buffett"

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 10:00 AM

$1,300 falls within the accepted pay scale.

 

LOL....and you were the one saying CAT workers should be happy with 16.50 an hour.....but you don't mind this pencil pusher making 162.50 an hour.






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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 10:18 AM

$1,300 falls within the accepted pay scale.

 

LOL....and you were the one saying CAT workers should be happy with 16.50 an hour.....but you don't mind this pencil pusher making 162.50 an hour.

 

yes ... funny how the attitude changes, depending whom you're referring to ....


"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power"

Benito Mussolini

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 10:49 AM

Are you saying those Natives are neglecting their homes?

 

The complaints that they were showing on CTV was mould.

What causes mould in a home?

 

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 10:53 AM

What causes mould in a home?

 

Don't answer my question with a question. You made the statement.........answer the question.

 

As for mould........there are many reasons for mould in a home.

 






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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 11:01 AM

answer your own question.

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Re: Fed housing help needed
Feb 11, 2012 11:15 AM

My question to you was about your statement earlier. Why do you refuse to answer?






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