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customer is NOT always right
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customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 07:13 PM
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Okay I have a question or maybe it's a rant not to sure yet but here goes. I sold an item a few weeks ago and describe all flaws etc..in my listing. I'm an honest person and I don't feel the need to lie in my listings about measurements and item condition because I'm not out to scam people over used clothing, anyways, this particular buyer received her item and i guess had a case of buyers remorse because she said I was lying in my listing and the item was worn and had been washed and the sleeves were to short etc. I clearly stated in my auction that the item had been worn a few times and obviously washed but was still in good condition, because it was. She didn't bother to ask me for measurements and the sleeves ended up being to short for her. So she messaged me and said she was not happy with the jacket, I lied in my listing and she wanted my address for a refund. I was happy to give her a refund but she decided to keep the jacket and informed me I would be getting a low rating for shipping because I was rude to her. I wasn't rude at all I just informed her that next time she needed to ask all questions prior to bidding in order to avoid wasting people's time and money, which I consider my time valuable. Anyways she ended up giving me a negative with a positive comment which still lowered my rating and she trashed my dsr's so being a new seller, I'm peeved and I don't know if there is anything I can do to fight this negative because I know I don't deserve it. She could have returned the damn thing and we could have worked it out but she decided to keep it and screw over my rating. So what do I do.? Any advice would greatly be appreciated.
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(1 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 07:29 PM
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Yup! Somedays, you should just stay in bed. The customer is always right even when they are wrong. (eBay and PayPal rule)
All you can do is move on. When I collected stamps, I had a low power microscope and could find every flaw on a stamp. I drove sellers crazy. Now, I know better. “I have decided to stick to love...Hate is too great a burden to bear.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
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(2 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 07:34 PM
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"I just informed her that next time she needed to ask all questions prior to bidding in order to avoid wasting people's time and money, which I consider my time valuable."
Many may read your comment and think it is rude.
The golden rule of selling by mail, whenever a customer complains that an item is not as expected - whatever the reason - and whatever the language used by the buyer - there is only one correct answer:
"I am sorry the item did not meet with your approval. Please return it and a full refund will be processed immediately upon receipt. Once again, I am sorry for the inconvenience."
Period. End of story. No excuses, no alibis, no justification, nothing but "I am sorry".
We all learn a few lessons when we start selling. That is one of them.
PS - In a few days (there is value in waiting), you can communicate with the buyer, explain you are sorry and ask (so politely) if she would consider changing the feedback rating to positive. If she does, then you can send a request to change feedback: http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/revision-request.html Otherwise, just move on.

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(3 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 07:36 PM
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"could find every flaw on a stamp. I drove sellers crazy"
eBay created the BBL for guys like you! 

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(4 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 07:55 PM
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I do realize most people would consider that comment rude, however to be honest, I really don't care what they think. I sell on ebay to help supplement my income so I can get my fiance his citizenship so we can make a better life for our son and I don't have to be the only one bringing in an income so in short, I consider my time valuable and I guess I just have to much pride to apologize to yet another annoying buyer who has a serious case of buyers remorse. She didn't even give me a chance to make it right. oh well
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(5 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 08:04 PM
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When selling clothing you should put all the measurments in your listings.
There are no standard sizes so most people rely on proper measurments.
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(6 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 09:11 PM
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Wow, being rude to an experienced seller taking the time to help.
I guess we all get what we deserve.
"Ain't too proud to beg, sweet darlin'"
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(7 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 11:32 PM
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Pierre was absolutely right and you should follow his advice. If you are serious about selling on eBay and are worried about your rating then you have to swallow your pride and be polite, not matter what.
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(8 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 9, 2012 11:33 PM
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not matter what = no matter what
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(9 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 12:45 AM
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I have been in The Antique and Nostalgia Business for approx 30 years
I have dealt with a wide range of customers ranging from Real Difficult to those that are Absolute Sellers Dreams
Talk to anyone who sells Retail all will deal with individuals that are like this
While not having alot of real difficult customers those I have had have not been on The Net but in Retail settings offline In those circumstances I have been dealing face to face with them
I learnt very early in the business to step back and bite my tongue when dealing with difficult customers
Cause no matter what happens it will come back and bite you as a Seller if it becomes apparent to the customer that it upsets you and they feel slighted
Does it mean one cannot get upset and fustrated? No. But it's how one deals with it that will affect ones business
If it happens talk to a friend family or someone in the business that understands the challenges
Let it out and get rid of the fustration that way but dont let it interfere with what you are doing. IE selling Retail
Dont let it get to you and deviate from your main goal
There will be difficult people just the nature of doing this but its offset by the majority of the really good people that one deals with
Thinking one does not have the time for difficult situations doesn't change the fact that it will happen
It's how one deals with it that will allow ones business to continue and grow
It does not take much for ones name to be seen in a bad light in business (just or unjust) and it can really affect others dealing with you
Those you are dealing with walk away but tell others and word of mouth can be very damaging if they feel slighted
At times it wont matter what you do but at times swallowing ones pride will aleviate the situation and avert things that can happen down the road
weavers
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(10 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 03:19 AM
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I live in the same city as you and have sold hundreds of clothing, and when I clicked on your negative feedback spyder jacket it says that it will cost me $18.95 for shipping? It is less than half that in reality, and I bet that if you input the actual weight and sizing and select expedited shipping within Canada the amount of bids you receive will double.
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(11 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 05:36 AM
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When posting, please use paragraphs. It makes it easier to read and follow the flow of your post as well as comment on what you wrote.
No offense intended by this post.
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(12 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 05:46 AM
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pocomocomputing wrote:
When posting, please use paragraphs. It makes it easier to read and follow the flow of your post as well as comment on what you wrote.
No offense intended by this post.

The post was directed toward the OP who started this thread.
The second post by the OP had one of the longest run on sentences I have seen in quite a while.
To communicate effectively in these forums and to your customers, you should follow some basic writing rules and punctuation. It makes it easier to be understood.
Again no offense intended. Just a suggestion.
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(13 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 06:55 AM
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fashionista2584 wrote:
....... guess I just have to much pride to apologize to yet another annoying buyer ..............

????
What???
This is not a contest between you and the buyer. It's business and why would you bring pride into it?
Your goal is to get rid of the NFB......... no?
Why on earth would you not do as Pierre suggested and politely request a revision.
Apologize till the cows come home if you have to.
You don't have to mean it......... what difference does it make?
Also...... Pierre's advice is spot on.
"""The golden rule of selling by mail, whenever a customer complains that an item is not as expected - whatever the reason - and whatever the language used by the buyer - there is only one correct answer:
"I am sorry the item did not meet with your approval. Please return it and a full refund will be processed immediately upon receipt. Once again, I am sorry for the inconvenience.""""
NEVER argue with a buyer.
Nothing good can come of it for you.
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(14 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 12:40 PM
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I really don't care what they think. I sell on ebay to help supplement my income so I can
You will supplement your income more by following pierre's advice. You are welcome to rant about PITA customers here though. We will be sympathetic.
Just don't explain to the buyer why you think she is wrong.
When friends come back from visits to other countries they often say "The people are all so friendly!" and I reply "Yes, well, they are being paid to be friendly. You don't last long in tourism if you are a grouch."
You'd be horrified at what the salesgirls at Victoria's Secret are saying about you in the break room. But their commissions depend on keeping you sweet until you buy.
Oh and yes- check out other shipping methods and include more measurents. I am wearing clothing in three different sizes today. Manufacturer's sizing depends on the price point.
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(15 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 12:50 PM
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fashionista2584 wrote:
I do realize most people would consider that comment rude, however to be honest, I really don't care what they think. I sell on ebay to help supplement my income so I can get my fiance his citizenship so we can make a better life for our son and I don't have to be the only one bringing in an income so in short, I consider my time valuable and I guess I just have to much pride to apologize to yet another annoying buyer who has a serious case of buyers remorse. She didn't even give me a chance to make it right. oh well

What you have is arrogance, not pride.
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(16 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 01:30 PM
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You should, but it's not required so I don't. I don't have the time to put every single measurement in my listings so I don't see why people can't just message me. Oh well, we all run our business our own way and I knew these were the responses I would get so I'll just go with it. I'm not a new seller, I've been doing this for 10 years and I've never had a problem....i'm going to move on with this issue now because you can't fight ebay and you can't fight the buyers and my time is worth more then a $15 jacket.
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(17 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 01:41 PM
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wow didn't think the fact that I failed english would be an issue here. Next time, I'll take my issues elsewhere. I wasn't being rude to any poster on here, I just have my own opinions and I was stating them. All I wanted was friendly advice, which was exactly what I received and I appreciate it but It's seems people think my own opinions are rude and I need to go back to school. hahaha thanks for all your wonderful help.
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(18 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 01:41 PM
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fashionista2584 wrote:
You should, but it's not required so I don't. I don't have the time to put every single measurement in my listings so I don't see why people can't just message me. Oh well, we all run our business our own way and I knew these were the responses I would get so I'll just go with it. I'm not a new seller, I've been doing this for 10 years and I've never had a problem....i'm going to move on with this issue now because you can't fight ebay and you can't fight the buyers and my time is worth more then a $15 jacket.

What takes more time.
Measure the item and put it in the listing or have 5 people message you and ask for the measurments.
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(19 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 01:46 PM
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His advice is great advice, but I already know all this, I manage a bakery in a grocery store so I deal with the nastiest to the nicest people put there. I know being nice is all it takes, and I was, She just didn't give me the chance to make it better. All I wanted to know was if I could somehow change the feedback I received if we work something out and what the steps to this process are but I'm getting slammed about how rude and dumb I am.
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(20 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 02:09 PM
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You reap what you sow. Or in your case sew.
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(21 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 02:33 PM
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" so I deal with the nastiest to the nicest people out there"
Unfortunately you are dealing with a nasty one. We all experience them from time to time & although few & far between they are always memorable.
You probably have loads of experience in your day job dealing with people that are just "too thick" to ever get it. Place this buyer in the same category. Take a deep breath, move on & feel sorry for the people that have to live with them.
Unsolicited Respectful Constructive Criticism. As a seller of shirts & jerseys it is very important to list measurements. Different eras have different sizes, 80s large is now a medium. You will also find some inaccurate size labels, large where measurements clearly dictate an extra large.
I know It is time consuming to list measurements but In the grand scheme of things sales will Increase. Think about It, a seller from overseas see two exact Items, one is yours with no measurements & another one with the measurements listed. Instead of waiting for a response from you regarding measurements, as they are overseas & you could still be sleeping, they buy the one with the measurements clearly listed. Good example of how sales could be lost.
Trust me, measuremets will help Increase sales. JMO
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(22 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 05:44 PM
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eBay created the BBL for guys like you!
I was young - what can I say. “I have decided to stick to love...Hate is too great a burden to bear.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
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(23 of 24)
Re: customer is NOT always right
Feb 10, 2012 11:18 PM
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OP, my family ran a couple of clothing factories in Toronto. Clothing has a bunch of random sizes, and every company has different ideas of what consists of a large/medium/small/extra small. Even necklines differ! (I was wearing 3 sizes today - a large men's tee shirt, a medium sweatshirt and large jeans.) Really - it takes 10 minutes to get measurements and saves a lot of trouble over it.
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