Ebay playing games? Your global shipping prgram (ebay shipping) is supposed to broker items
Summary: leaky-bucket-labs expresses frustration with eBay's shipping program, which they believe is mishandling duties and taxes charged on deliveries. They share concerns that they are being overcharged and blame eBay's system for these issues. mrdutch1001 explains that recent tariffs on imported goods from the USA to Canada, including used computer parts, may be affecting the costs. brettjet38 emphasizes that buyers are responsible for understanding import rules, not eBay or sellers, while marnotom! notes that the Global Shipping Program has been replaced by eBay International Shipping, which may have different terms. The discussion highlights the complexity of eBay's system and varying interpretations by users.
...Thats what the shipping program and ebay has done for years. I never get dinged twice..till now it seems.
"NO TAXES OR OTHER CHARGES UPON DELIVERY" is what has been the regular. Now DHS is trying to broker it again? Or the shipping program did not broker it like that was promised?
whats this?
leaky-bucket-labs
OP1 year agoMAKES NO SENSE AT ALL
PAY DUTIES NOW: $0 IN DUTIES
PAY ON DELIVERY: SHIPPING IS DOUBLE
EBAY IS INSANE AND BURNING PEOPLE
marnotom!
·1 year agoYou seem to be referring to eBay as though it were a sentient human being that has full control over the shipping process, when in fact this seems to be a quirk of the eBay International Shipping system which contracts out the shipping process to parties other than eBay.
Short answer is, the outfit responsible for DDU (pay taxes/duties on delivery) shipments is a different one than the outfit responsible for the DDP (pay taxes/duties at checkout) shipments and they have different rate structures.
What I think is happening here based on what I've read on these boards and my own experiences with eIS is that the DDU shipments are handled by DHL using its GlobalPost service and the DDP shipments are being handled by Asendia (don't know the name of the service). I think the eIS DDU shipments shot up in price around the same time that USPS announced that it was going to be making adjustments to the discounts package consolidators received from the post office, which was last fall. There are several articles about this online, but this one from the postal workers' union explains the process more fully than the likes of Reuters or Bloomberg do:
https://apwu.org/news/magazine/postal-service-eliminates-deepest-presort-discounts-package-consolidators
If that article is too technical for your liking, this one explains the changes a bit more simply, and gives a shout-out to our friends at Pitney Bowes who are mothballing the engine that drove the old Global Shipping Program:
https://apnews.com/article/postal-service-consolidators-last-mile-delivery-df2a6e4d641153f166d31bf607b3108b
Keep in mind that eIS serves about 200 other countries in addition to Canada and the difference in rates between the DDU service and the DDP service may make more sense for some of them.
Buyers can only get burnt if they choose to get burnt.
marnotom!
·1 year ago@leaky-bucket-labs, what you're saying about import charges being handled at Checkout by the Global Shipping Program is true, but the Global Shipping Program no longer exists on the .com site. The international forwarding service on .com (which was rolled out around 2023) is now called "eBay International Shipping" (eIS) and it works somewhat differently for both buyers and sellers than the old GSP.
In a nutshell, sometimes eIS will charge and collect taxes and duties at Checkout, sometimes it won't, and for some listings it will give buyers the choice between the two. The buyer has to read the listing carefully to see what option is being offered.
The first screenshot you posted quite clearly shows that import charges were not charged at Checkout for that sale. If they were, they'd show up as line items the way they did for the purchase you made in January.
Go back to the listing page for that item. I'm betting there's no note near the top of the page that says "No import charges on delivery!" the way that there was for listings for items handled by the Global Shipping Program.
leaky-bucket-labs
OP1 year agoSo this is the same type item that I bought from the same seller in Janurary.
the details shows $18 shipping then $10 for duties but this time with their well known and long time confusing wisdom, combined the 2 to make shipping charges $28.
Ok this is what ebay has done for years but that should be fine. But NOPE, apparently THIS time they are just dropping the ball and I'm just supposed to pay for brokerage fees from DHS then Canada Post because ebay likes to rip people off and play bigboy games with customers.
Well I'll be doing a charge back on my visa for that amount they end up charging me
You really ran this place into the ground.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoThat may have been the case BEFORE all this tariff **bleep**...
Remember, there are now tariffs on products imported to Canada from the USA....
leaky-bucket-labs
OP1 year agoya...car parts or steel and aluminum. Not used hard drives
and even if, ebay should have made that clear and the listings
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoThere are indeed tariffs on used computer parts imported to Canada from the USA; effective March 13th >>> You best read up on that!
mrdutch1001
·1 year ago"ya...car parts or steel and aluminum. Not used hard drives"...
The tariffs on goods imported from USA to Canada is more than that>>
brettjet38
·1 year agoActually, it is the Buyer who is responsible to verify all import rules, not the seller or ebay, it says so on every single listing...
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoam very aware that "it is the Buyer who is responsible to verify all import rules, not the seller or ebay,..."
My point was that " There are indeed tariffs on used computer parts imported to Canada from the USA"
That 25% tariffs applies to many many used items as well as new in many many categories...
and YES Buyers need to be aware of that so that they don't come to the forums with their rants about having to pay extra or having to pay more than they did previously,etc....
brettjet38
·1 year agoThat is common knowledge, and every BUYER is made aware they just choose not to do their due diligence and read the information...
I do not really care if Buyers do not read and educate themselves, nothing new here, the general population does the same thing as do many of the Sellers on here when they do not "AGREE" with policy, rules, or laws.
A simple AI inquiry would give you basic information.
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Q : tariffs on used goods
Goods made in China and Hong Kong entering the U.S.
U.S. consumers and companies (aka importers) must pay the U.S. government tariffs of at least 145 per cent for goods made in China and Hong Kong valued over US$800.
As of May 2, U.S. importers must also pay tariffs on all goods originating from China and Hong Kong valued at or under US$800, even if shipped from another country, as the de minimis exemption is being removed (see de minimis section below for more details).
https://www.thevintageseeker.ca/magazine/how-the-canada-u-s-tariffs-could-impact-the-secondhand-market
How tariffs work in the vintage & secondhand market — and what’s affected
Having trouble making sense of the global trade war, U.S.-Canada tariff situation, what applies to you and how it affects you as a buyer or seller? Here’s what you need to know
Ed. note: This article was originally published on Feb. 12, 2025 and is frequently being updated to reflect the latest events.
Buyers and sellers of vintage, antiques and secondhand are affected by the global trade war either directly or indirectly.
We’re here to answer your questions on what this means for your purchases and shipments, and for the community.
Note: For the purposes of this article, we are only discussing tariffs that relate to the retail/resale sector, especially as they pertain to the relationship between Canada and the United States, though we do discuss the global trade war as well. We are not covering steel, aluminium, dairy, electricity, etc.
What is the latest on the tariffs as they pertain to vintage and secondhand?
On Apr. 11, U.S. President Donald Trump increased the tariffs on goods specifically made in China or Hong Kong to 145 per cent.
Currently, that applies to goods valued over US$800.
However, that will no longer be the case on May 2, which is when the “de minimis” duty-free exemption (aka Section 321) for imports on goods valued at or under US$800 originating from China and Hong Kong (even if shipped via another country) will be eliminated.
As of May 2, if an item valued at or under US$800 is arriving from China or Hong Kong into the U.S. via courier, it is subject to all applicable duties and all of the China-Hong Kong tariffs announced so far this year — meaning at least 145 per cent.