De minimis allowed - for now
Summary: El reciente debate se centra en las actualizaciones de la orden ejecutiva sobre aranceles y el flujo de drogas ilícitas a través de la frontera norte de Estados Unidos. cottagewoman comparte el vínculo a la nueva enmienda, mientras que varios participantes discuten cómo esto afectará el envío de mercancías, específicamente la exención de minimis que permite la entrada sin aranceles de bienes de bajo valor. sin-n-dex menciona la falta de confirmación sobre el impacto en los envíos con Stallion, esperando claridad en breve. Otros como hansatrade discuten cómo estas nuevas regulaciones podrían incrementar los retrasos en los envíos y la necesidad de que se adapten sistemas más robustos para manejar aranceles y minimizar la ira de consumidores. Finalmente, varios interpretan que la exención de minimis sigue vigente por ahora, otorgando un respiro temporal, pero con expectativas de cambios futuros, especialmente para productos no cubiertos bajo el acuerdo USMCA.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/amendment-to-duties-to-address-the-flow-of-illicit-drugs-across-our-northern-border/
hansatrade
·1 year agoFROM EBAY:
We’re closely monitoring how new US tariffs and customs policy affect buying and selling on eBay.
From 3 April 2025, 12:01 AM EDT, Based on the most recent announcement, US buyers will be responsible for additional duties on most orders of more than $800; they may also be asked to provide personal information to facilitate the customs clearance of their orders.
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Duties, import fees, and personal information are typically collected by shipping providers after the buyer has completed their purchase on eBay. These will be excluded from the prices displayed to buyers on eBay, but note that buyers are responsible for paying any duties on their orders. If you receive negative and/or neutral feedback from buyers related to customs delays or fees, we will take care of it for you. For more details, check out our feedback policy page.
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recped
·1 year agoTypical garbage announcement from eBay, they should stay away from the whole subject if all they can do is spread misinformation.
From 3 April 2025, 12:01 AM EDT, Based on the most recent announcement, US buyers will be responsible for additional duties on most orders of more than $800; they may also be asked to provide personal information to facilitate the customs clearance of their orders.
1 - The $800 exemption (they don't specify that is US Dollars)
2 - They do not mention this exemption is only available for goods covered by the USMCA, if your are shipping non-USMCA goods the exemption does not apply.
Ensure the item location for your listings is accurate
Item location is irrelevant for customs matters, Country of Origin is the basis for ALL tariffs in ALL countries for ALL products. Transshipping through a third country does not change the liability to pay tariffs place on goods from the first country unless significant processing in the intermediary country. Under the USMCA the value of said processing must be 51% or more of the final declared value.
For example:
A - You buy finished jewelry from China and sell to US buyers (Not USMCA eligible)
B - you buy beads from China which you use in the making of jewelry, the beads are only a minor portion of the materials, the rest come from Mexico, USA or Canada and the labor is all Canadian (this IS USMCA eligible)
The rules for country of origin when the raw materials originate in many different countries are complex.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@recped
They also note in that announcement that they will remove defects for tracked shipments that are delayed by customs. Probably not super helpful that in dark of night they have toasted Intl tracked as a valid service for people that use eBay labels without informing sellers. Xpresspost is NOT an reasonable alternative but has become the defacto service. Not everywhere in Canada has easy access to a UPS depot. The backup alternative.
flipistics
·1 year ago@recped
EasyShip seems to be a very good alternative for tracked packet international (maybe even slightly cheaper than eBay). I say that with the caveat that I haven't actually created a tracked packet international label with them yet, but I have been researching prices.
Another option could be Stallion Express. If you don't live near a branch you'd have to ship the item to them (and set the handling time appropriately), but the combo would almost certainly be a lot cheaper than XpressPost international.
I know it doesn't solve the root problem, but partial solutions are better than no solutions.
As an example, for me to send a 200g 6x4x4 parcel to the UK is $16.44 through eBay, it's $15.25 through EasyShip, and $7.63 + $8.25 = $15.88 through Shipping Chimp (to get it to Toronto from Northern Ontario) + Stallion Express.
ae_purveyors
·1 year agoDoes anyone know if eBay allows you to pay the duties at the checkout for all international orders? The couple of ebay.com orders I've placed all shipped through the eBay Global Shipping Program, or whatever their facility is called these days. I usually elect to pay the duties at the checkout.
I'm wondering if the duties are pre-paid, regardless of where it's shipping from (GSP or Seller direct to Buyer)?
I'm thinking maybe this will be the catalyst for a Global Shipping Program type being implemented in Canada by eBay.ca?
That would be amazing. Imagine if that was one of the perks we would have received in lieu of eBay shipping supplies coupons?
Let's hope that the taxes are only on packages originating from China, and not based on Country of Production.
reallynicestamps
·1 year ago@ae_purveyors
As a buyer or as a seller?
Because this thread was posted to the Seller Forum.
Sellers do not pay duty. Those are the responsibility of the buyer/importer.
Tariffs are sales taxes paid by the buyer/importer.
I'm thinking maybe this will be the catalyst for a Global Shipping Program type being implemented in Canada by eBay.ca?
The original reason for the GSP/eIS programs was to encourage xenophobic and provincial US sellers to sell internationally, by allowing them to ship to a central US plant. Once there all responsibility for delivery was taken on by the GSP/eIS.
Any benefit for buyers was unintended.
Especially on the GSP, there were howls of complaint from Canadian buyers when import fees were included in the shipping costs.
Admittedly because CBSA had made a practice of ignoring mailed shipments because the cost of assessing and collecting import fees on items under ~$100 was higher than what could be collected.
Those import fees (on any import valued over $20Cdn) had to be collected by couriers and there is archived a thread of complaints over 5000 posts long about UPS /etc gouging.
Since Canadian sellers are mostly comfortable with shipping internationally and since we are a very small market, it's doubtful eBayCanada will ever come up with such a program for us.
fergua3
·1 year agoso for now, any goods we ship to the US, regardless of where they were made, are exempt from tariffs, if they are under $800 in value.. Once the deminimus is gone, then, most/all items we ship to the US regardless of price will be subject to at least 10% tariffs, unless MANUFACTURED in Mexico, Canada or the USA AND are USMCA compliant..
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoas per my response to the other thread:
Currently am as prepared as can be for anything going forward as it pertains to country of origin requirements, tariffs,and so forth. To start with, nothing I list has any connection to China. Secondly, my items are made in either Canada or USA(occasionally something has origins in Europe). Thirdly nothing I list/sell has a value over $50 so any applicable duties,tariffs etc will be insignificant but it is the buyer that will make that final decision as to whether to purchase or not purchase. I will not punish any potential USA buyers for the stupidity of their Gov't and will continue to offer my items to the USA. I ship via Canada Post so whatever policies are applicable will be dealt with if needed ,as needed , when needed...
fergua3
·1 year agowhy not punish USA buyers for the stupidity of their government? Otherwise, their stupid government may not change. I can understand if for financial reasons you want to keep selling to US buyers, no problem with that. But otherwise let them feel the pain, or at least some of it, that is being inflicted on the rest of the world.
hansatrade
·1 year agoAre you serious? I already got messages from American customers - they APOLOGIZE!
The recent one from Arizona said: LONG LIVE FREE CANADA!
If the de minimis will be teerminated, they will punish themselves - no need to add any additional punishment from us.
mrdutch1001
·1 year ago"why not punish USA buyers for the stupidity of their government? "...I don't need to> the USA government is doing that for us>Their own Gov't is inflicting pain on them as well. Yes, perhaps for all those who voted for that person they deserve what they got...However, those that opposed that person are suffering right along with the rest of us...
parts_and_diecasts
·1 year agobecause it's the largest market in the world and 90%+ of my sales are to the USA? (I would gather the same for everybody else). I will punish them by not buying from them for the time buying, not that the USDCAD and ludicrous GSP shipping rates would encourage me to do so anyways, my last 3 purchases on eBay this year have been from Australia ($90)/Hong Kong ($60)/Montreal ($60) respectively.
ae_purveyors
·1 year agoYes, sorry that's what I meant...duties for buyers. I just remembered this is the Sellers forum, and that there's also a Buyers forum. I primarily sell on eBay, though do also purchase from time to time.
What you're saying is likely true about Canada being such a small market for eBay to create a GSP. That's too bad because it would help Canadian sellers open up to countries they probably wouldn't want to ship to otherwise. Plus keep shipping costs down for Canadian Sellers and all the Seller protections that come with shipping through the GSP.
One can dream! And, thankfully, dreams are still free.
Shhh keep it down...otherwise dreams may be next on the list of tarffed goods!!!
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoThat's too bad because it would help Canadian sellers open up to countries they probably wouldn't want to ship to otherwise.
Canadian sellers on the whole don't have a problem with shipping overseas.
For one thing, a majority of our sales are already "international" since most of us ship to the USA and are used to dealing with borders and international Disputes.
In addition, we have a very large immigrant population (full disclosure that would include me although I arrived in Canada in 1952). Most of us know, live near, work with, or have married immigrants and don't have the terror of "the other" that is a large part of the reason we are dealing with MAGA madness now.
keep shipping costs down for Canadian Sellers
When we ship internationally, our fee is based on our lowest DOMESTIC shipping fee, not on what we actually have to charge the buyer.
and all the Seller protections that come with shipping through the GSP.
I agree on this one.
EBay gives much more protection to Sellers under the GSP. Of particular note is protection from the "customs hold" scam, where the crooked buyer makes an INR claim because they have not yet picked up the item at the PO. After they are refunded they pay the import fees and get their "purchase".
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThe thing about a GSP program is that they could funnel all domestic shipments through GSP and in the long-term it would be more efficient for most items. This would increase the volume because unlike with the USA program where it is only international packages that are sent through GSP, they could also take domestic packages.
The only reason I don't use Stallion for domestic parcels is because there isn't a mainstream drop spot. If I could use Stallion, I would for anything that isn't remote, or rural. The prices are much lower than both Canada Post and UPS. The only exception being some Expedited Lite packages, and some local parcels that Canada Post now offers a steep discount on.
Two major threats to eBay Canada are the impending collapse or restructuring of Canada Post, and potential difficulties with shipping to the USA. Combine that with the unwillingness of most sellers to ship internationally due to the perceived added complications that come with it. An eBay shipping program could protect against those.
The big thing is that they need a mainstream drop spot. With Amazon, in my region you can drop returns at places like Circle K (convenient store that is everywhere in my city).
Lettermail is a big component of Canadian shipping on eBay, but if you look at the current price increase for lettermail, that is going to eventually be phased out. OS Lettermail now costs between $6-$7 for anything above 200g. The viability of being a "lettermail" seller is not going to last much longer. That is going to be another major threat to eBay sellers on .CA - and it's why there could be a lot of demand for a central shipping program that leverages eBay Canada's volume both domestically and internationally. Stallion is already a proof of concept that this can work domestically.
mrdutch1001
·1 year ago" Combine that with the unwillingness of most sellers to ship internationally due to the perceived added complications that come with it. An eBay shipping program could protect against those."
An International shipping program does NOT prevent all obstacles with shipping International, nor does it protect either seller or buyer in all situations. It is NOT a fail-safe mechanism. In a perfect world, perhaps but we must work with realities. eBay is NOT Amazon and that seems to be what you are wishing for...
so perhaps you should be selling on Amazon instead of eBay...
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@mrdutch1001
@ilikehockeyjerseys
@reallynicestamps
It may be partially the understanding of US sellers that either Intl. shipping is complicated or more time consuming but my money is on the reduced FVF's for shipping. They only pay to hub.
recped
·1 year agoLatest update from the just published Executive Order (April 2, 2025)
The De minimis exemption remains in place on a temporary basis (same basis as previous announced). When/If it is eliminated or reduced it will remain as is for goods that qualify for exemption under The USMCA agreement (until at least 2026), all goods made in Canada, Mexico & USA will qualify for the exemption.
The broad 10% (and up) tariffs that will be applied in the next few days to most countries will also not apply to goods made in Canada, Mexico and the US.
For detailed information check the following link paying specific attention to Section 3, Subsections a & h.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/regulating-imports-with-a-reciprocal-tariff-to-rectify-trade-practices-that-contribute-to-large-and-persistent-annual-united-states-goods-trade-deficits/
Those sellers who deal in goods made in most other countries not covered by the USMCA agreement will face some challenges.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoYou beat me to it. I actually posted a few minutes ago but erred and put it in the eBay com forum. (I didn't really want to do that since most tariff discussions become political and shut down or moved to the cafe).
I just got the notification from Stallion a few minutes ago.
C.
hansatrade
·1 year agoI believe it applies only to sellers, who do not qualify to the de minimis exemption?
cottagewoman
OP1 year agoThe full text of the executive order basically states that de minimis will be allowed until there are mechanisms in place to collect the tariffs on low value goods originating from every other country in the world, and once duties can be collected de minimis will be revoked. They're starting with China/Hong Kong May 2nd. Who knows how fast the rest of the world will be rolled out. In a sense de minimis is dead for any goods that aren't USMCA certified, imagine that'll end at some point as well.
regs43
·1 year agoPP is my MP and not getting my vote, but he is safe in this riding more than likely, very blue here. Wish it was closer so I felt my vote mattered.
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoI'll be voting NDP, the Member in my riding has done a good job.
Although the only Liberal I have ever voted for was my husband when he ran provincially decades ago.
I trust that Jagmeet Singh and the NDP will support the Liberals, even if they are as usual the third party. Ditto Bloc Quebecois and Green.
Then there is this fun fact.
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoor be forced into a complicated customs process to transfer power of attorney to the end customer, who would then be required to cover the charges instead.
"And that seems like a complete impossibility," he says. "
Which was what happened with a $20Cdn de minimus until circa 2021.
The CBSA just ignored low value packages, because it cost the taxpayer more to process the package than the government got in import fees.
The couriers like UPS were forced by law to assess and collect the fees, leading to a base "customs brokerage" fee of $25 on top of the cost of goods (even if it were $20 Cdn) and the actual duty (usually under 5%) and sales taxes (up to 15%).
Somewhere archived is a thread of protest on this over 5000 posts long.
assuming that's what happens, is it should force eBay to collect the tariffs at checkout. That means we won't get mad buyers (just fewer buyers). Maybe it'll even spur the Canadian government to require the same for duty and tax, which could put a theoretical end to brokerage charges.
Buyers are being charged state taxes already.
Without a huge outcry.
Adding duty should be possible.
From eBay's point of view, if the buyer is paying import fees at checkout, they can charge us selling fees on a larger amount.
Poot.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@reallynicestamps
My fear/worry exactly. Selling fees have become totally out of hand basing them on state/provincial/VAT and shipping being factored in. We don't need 1 more thing added to FVF's, especially something that is the buyers responsibility. Full stop. And would we have any guarantees it would collected accurately or documented properly? Not likely!!!
electronic_dist_intl
·1 year agoA lot of articles I'm reading don't really specify... Does anyone know if this affects country of origin Canada goods or is it any and all goods transiting from Canada? Thought it's country of origin since that's what HTS codes are based on, but the media makes it sound like it's any and all goods coming from Canada regardless of CoO.
electronic_dist_intl
·1 year agoJust clarified with my customs broker that this tariff affects only Canadian, Mexican and Chinese made goods. If made somewhere else but shipping from Canada, those additional duties do not apply.
hansatrade
·1 year agoFrom Stallion:
We wanted to provide you with an update on the ongoing tariff situation. Based on the latest announcement from the White House (link here) and our conversation with CBP today, it looks like Section 321 (the de minimis program) remains unaffected for now. This means Stallion shipments will not be impacted by the new tariffs set to take effect tomorrow.
That being said, we are still awaiting final confirmation. We will be closely monitoring shipments and will send you a 100% confirmed update first thing in the morning once we successfully process shipments across the border.
If there are no changes, we’ll also reactivate our FBA cross-border shipping service on the Stallion portal tomorrow.
Please stay tuned for tomorrow’s update, and let us know if you have any questions.
Best,
The Stallion Team
barnfindparts
·1 year agoFor now at least till they can figure how to manage it.
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/de-minimis-canada-mexico-trump-delay/741361/
steve-02
·1 year agohansatrade
·1 year agoSeveral of my packages are now late and in transit since almost 4 weeks - all with open USPS search request. If they remove the de minimis, the average transit time from Canada to the US will be 8 to 14 months 😀
nhl_automotive
·1 year agoAre you putting the tariff code and country of origin on the label?
hansatrade
·1 year agoYes, both.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year agoI think your late packages are in this pile...somewhere!!!
Eliminating de minimis would also pose significant challenges for delivery giants such as FedEx, UPS, and the USPS. Currently, Klage explains, these services act as the importer of record for de minimis shipments, simply checking a box with customs before delivering the package — no duties owed, no extra costs, and no delays for customers. Without duty-free entry, they would either be responsible for paying the duties themselves, or be forced into a complicated customs process to transfer power of attorney to the end customer, who would then be required to cover the charges instead.
"And that seems like a complete impossibility," he says. "Just start to picture what that looks like from a manpower perspective, and think about all of the angry phone calls FedEx is now going to be getting from individuals all over the country. Then you get shipments that are stuck and can't deliver because there's no power of attorney to make the clearance."
But, that doesn't mean changing de minimis for the better in some way is impossible, says Ben Tzion. He believes that, once the dust settles, a more likely scenario is one where the exemption threshold is reduced from $800 to somewhere around $250, and predicts that, eventually, businesses will adapt as CBP irons out the kinks. Klage adds that any new system would need to "completely rethink the tariff system," while simplifying the process for collecting the duties themselves, removing bureaucratic barriers for delivery services, and taking the necessary time to build out the infrastructure needed to support these systems.
"I think that's the only way to actually have it generate positive revenue for the government, and to not have commerce grind to a halt," Klage says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMrWPWY_vVI
flipistics
·1 year agoI suspect they'll require that all incoming packages have duty prepaid (Trump will claim it means the exporter pays, which I suppose is technically true even though the importer would really be doing so at checkout). They'll probably increase the workforce a little to spot check more packages, but I can't see them manually doing all the work for every package. It would be next to impossible and they'd probably lose more money than they'd make if they did.
The nice thing for us, assuming that's what happens, is it should force eBay to collect the tariffs at checkout. That means we won't get mad buyers (just fewer buyers). Maybe it'll even spur the Canadian government to require the same for duty and tax, which could put a theoretical end to brokerage charges. Trump keeping the de minimis would be better for us of course, but I can't see it happening.
darak10
·1 year agoyes, thats what I think will likely end up happening as well. I have no evidence to support this but I think ebay, because their Canadian market is a drop in the bucket to them, may choose to offload the tariff onto us entirely in order to avoid driving American customers away. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.
The bigger train wreck I'm waiting to see is with the North American automotive industry, omg if people think this de minimis stuff is going to be a disaster, just watch and see whats going to happen there.
Theres no way the US government now they are in full shed civil servants mode that they will develop a plan to hire and train 22,000 employees to process these items, that would be tantamount to admitting they were wrong or didnt think this through properly, and they'll never do that. Making America Stupid For The First Time Ever.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@darak10
It really depends on the end game. Which changes hourly. Is it a way to inhibit trade, generate revenue or block fentanyl from coming into the country? Several of those would require actual physical inspections of goods arriving on both sides of the border. If there were problems with supply chains during the pandemic, how much worse will this make it going forward? Oh right and everything costing more. We keep forgetting that tidbit!!!
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoIt's a way to put Donnie's face on the news.
Constantly.
That's what he wants, nothing more.
And he listens to those who tell him he is wonderful, not to those who explain the facts to him.
Don't overestimate Donnie.
cottagewoman
OP1 year agodarak10
·1 year agothe fentanyl "issue" was a ruse so Trump could lay tariffs on Canada without needing Congressional approval. I dont think this is widely known in Canada. Still cant trust a word that comes out of Agent Orange's mouth (special thanks to a customer in NY state for sharing that nickname with me haha), its team Carney all the way. Never thought as an Albertan I would love to see a Liberal victory with the election over & done with by the time it hits the Manitoba border IN MY LIFE but I will be very happy if it does shake out that way. Danielle Smith is an embarrassing turncoat and sellout, makes me ashamed to drive around with an AB plate. I think the only premier worse than Smith is Scott Moe but thats not really surprising, Moe has never had a thought run thru his head Smith didnt give him. Kinew and Eby, both standing up for their country, exactly what they need to be doing. Ford though has done more to cinch Carney in the polls so far than anyone else, god bless his Canada defending heart. poor old Marvin Milquetoast aka Poilievre, he just looks lost. Cruel fate took away his Trudeau voodoo doll, along with all the pins he'd been gleefully poking into it for years, and the guy just cant wrap his head around reality. With any luck he'll continue to be warming the OO chair for the next 4 years at minimum, thats all the guy is good for anyways. If he's elected PM, we are dead in the water as a country, Trump will eat him for breakfast every day until the next federal election. If the cons want a leader who knows what they are doing, daresay that they'll need to bring Harper back for that - those guys have even fewer quality leaders waiting in the wings than the Oilers have decent goalies in their farm system lol
recped
·1 year agoMight be the first time I've knowingly given a helpful to an AB resident👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😍
As an Ontario resident this is the first time I've ever had a nice thought about Ford, likely the last time!
steve-02
·1 year agosin-n-dex
·1 year agoThanks for the update, I saw this first when I was at work earlier today...
I emailed my contact at Stallion for confirmation they can still process shipments (as they have been doing before), the response I got back was that they're confirming with their brokers and CBP that the de minimis is still in place, and the amount it's set at, and then they are going to notify all their customers by email with an update.
I just got home and haven't received the confirmation yet, but I assume it's coming either tonight or tomorrow.
C.