HTS and CoO Required on ALL Packages
Summary: In a discussion about recent changes to shipping regulations, participants highlighted that HTS codes and Country of Origin (CoO) are now mandatory for packages entering the USA, which could eliminate the de minimis threshold. Shipments from China or Hong Kong faced more stringent checks. Some participants shared their experiences with shipments being delayed due to missing information, pointing to specific issues with eBay and other service providers like Chit Chats and Stallion Express not having updated systems to handle these requirements. There was concern over how these changes would affect small sellers and personal packages, such as gifts, with suggestions that this might be a precursor to future tariffs on Canadian shipments. Clarifications on the differences between HS and HTS codes were provided, and resources were shared for finding appropriate codes. Participants expressed frustration over the lack of communication and preparedness from e-commerce platforms about these changes.
Has eBay sent anything out? Seller protections or any announcements? I don’t think they have updated their labels to include the longer form declaration.
This does likely mean that the infrastructure is being put in place to apply tariffs in the future to Canadian shipments.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoCan someone answer this in the simplest terms possible.
As of today, can I send a made in China item (Chinese country of origin) with just the HTS code via traditional carriers that use a CN22 form (Canada Post, UPS, Fedex, etc - not Stallion or Chit Chats)?
I know there were issues with Stallion and Chit Chats, but they were clearing them.
dinomitesales
·1 year agoYes.
nhl_automotive
·1 year agoIf this is true, Canada Post hasn't told their employees. I asked this question today and they said they had no instructions to include COO or HTS on packages heading to the USA. Now it's probably a good idea and will help the package get through quicker. I have been including it on all shipments since Feb 1 and so far everything has cleared.
snopp81
·1 year agoI seen the CoO on the label yesterday, why can't ebat auto add the HT code like etsy does? this would make it alot easier and less people will forget as the hts code is still not required
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoI sent multiple items on the 4th that went through customs normally. They went through on the 5th and had the normal scans showing they were moving through USPS normally on the 6th. These were different types of items. Some had a Canadian country of origin, others Indonesia. I only used the HS codes (although I will input the full HTS codes now). Knock on wood, but no issues so far.
There doesn't seem to be any real delays with traditional carriers so far in my experience. It's a fluid situation, so that can change.
I think the reason why Chit Chats and Stallion now require such extensive documentation is because they have a different level of liability than Canada Post since they are technically importing and exporting the packages on your behalf. When you send something with a traditional carrier, you are still the exporter. Maybe that is an oversimplification or my terminology is incorrect.
recped
·1 year agoThe gist of it is correct.
One thing I don't think people understand, Canada Post shipments do not clear customs at the actual border, they travel "in bond" to the USPS International Service Center (ISC) this is where the customs processing takes place.
It's the same as mail arriving in Canada (by air or ground) the goods arrive and are moved In Bond to CP Gateway in Mississauga (or Richmond BC, Montreal and ???). At one end of the building customs processes the package and then passes it to CP who process as normal. If there was duty to be collected customs puts that big yellow duty form on the packages, CP collects the duty (and their fee) from the recipient and sends it back to Canada Customs (keeping the fee portion for CP).
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoI'm hoping the updated website that has us putting in HTS code (which is what I've been doing) plus country of origin is enough for things to start moving smoothly across the border again.
I think your simplyfing what's going on with third party carriers is accurate.
C.
silverpinups
·1 year agoI fill out Canada Posts online form and type in all the info on their customs form and print it off for the Post office to scan (it's either photographs or graded comic books). I never print my shipping labels thru eBay.
There is nothing on their form about HTS codes or CoO (although the addresses are typed out).
I'm assuming customs adds the HTS code to package when it goes through US customs?
dinomitesales
·1 year agoThey do not, no.
This is a deficiency in Canada Post's system that is going to need to be corrected sooner rather than later.
I would highly recommend giving the clerk the Country of Origin and HS Code when they're processing the transaction so they can manually enter it onto the customs declaration.
silverpinups
·1 year agoThanks for your reply....
Country of Origin. Do you mean Shipping from or where to item was produced? Where do I find the HTS code for comics and vintage photographs?
Sorry I'm getting to old for these constant changes....
dinomitesales
·1 year ago"Country of Origin" is the country of manufacture of the item. So, in the case of comics/photos, the country in which the item was printed.
You can use an HS Code lookup tool such as this one offered by Canada Post. You may also have success by simply doing a Google search for "What is the HS Code for ______".
Comic books, for example would be 4902.99 (unless they're part of a collection and more of a "bound" style book rather than a staple-bound single issue, in which case 4901.99 would be more applicable).
silverpinups
·1 year agoThank you!!
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoWhere the item was produced. There should be something in a comic that shows copyright and where. For photographs, I've been going by where the photo was taken (I don't have photos, but I have postcards, kind of the same thing, only the postcard states where, or has a postmark).
Stallion Express has requested a list of my inventory (all 12,000 items) with the country of origin. I'm 2% done making the list (downloaded titles from eBay and turned it into a spreadsheet). The brick and mortar store that supplies me with both of my items will sign off on it. I've already sent the list of items, I just have to fill in some more fields on the spreadsheet. Stallion is aware I did not get invoices as I collected stuff and they're signing off after the fact (confirming the origin of the goods that I got from them). I have the sales record on eBay with some of that information, but Stallion wants my entire inventory to give to their broker (as proof that I don't sell stuff from China/Hong Kong... those items have been removed, so they are not on the list, I am planning to ship those with Canada Post on my other eBay account).
C.
silverpinups
·1 year agoWhere the item was produced. There should be something in a comic that shows copyright and where.
Most of the comics I sell are graded by CGC (encapsulated) so it will be either Canada or USA.
wilsonharborsales
OP1 year agoI would switch to Chit Chats. They are requesting HTS and CoO on the manifest which you can add when you pay for shipping. How could Stallion possibly cross-reference the millions of items in lists that people send them. It would be nuts.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoStallion is 5 km from where I work, Chit Chats is a 1.5 hour drive to Burlington. I was with Chit Chats but switched when they closed their branch near me. I drove to Burlington for three months and switched to Stallion when someone on the US form messaged me with a link to sign up.
Stallion has on their website (on Wednesday, this wasn't there Monday) a way to enter the CoO and HTS code directly onto their website now. They were asking for invoices to show where items were sourced, I'm working on something my supplier can sign off on. For the Monday package (that they were asking about) I sent the eBay sales record which states what the item is (which defines where it's from).
C.
wilsonharborsales
OP1 year agoExcellent. It feels like everyone is close to a solution. Hopefully we can all get back to business and there aren't any new issues 🙂
snopp81
·1 year agoWhere yo sorced the item? how does that work for people who buy storage units? do we send them those invoices?
recped
·1 year agoThe Stallion manifest input forms now or will shortly have those fields, in the past (and maybe still today) shipments to the US did not display those fields (which I always though was odd). If you try to buy an overseas label from Stallion those two fields do show and are mandatory and always have been.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoI don't think I've been filling out the HTS code on overseas shipments, I might have put the country of origin, but I can't remember. Going forward I'll make sure I include that now so packages move smoothly through the system.
C.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@silverpinups - A few additional links for you and how form looks at ebay labels
if you choose to use. It gives you the option to send a QR code that you can provide at counter to have cp print for you. (Haven't used the CP system in ages)
HS tariff code accepts 6 digits in the format shown. eBay labels has not been modified yet to accept additional characters
Country of origin box is where the item was originally manufactured
Weight = unpackaged weight should be per unit
Total value is extended total value
Package weight is extended weight of items enclosed - Never more than package weight (Filled in at top of form)
HS Code Comic book - 4902.90 (4902.90.20.60)
CP - HS Codes lookup - https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/information/app/wtz/business/findHsCode?execution=e1s4
Global Post lookup tool - https://www.goglobalpost.com/hs-code-lookup-tool/
US Gov Website - https://hts.usitc.gov/
(When HS code is critical)
Tool for checking tariffs: https://www.tariffinder.ca/en/getStarted
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoCountry of Origin on Shipping labels refers to country where item made/country of manufacture/Product of country
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoI told the story about the Tshirt from China to my business partner, and he said "what if the tshirt was made in China, imported blank, imprinted with designs here to make it something unique, and then shipped to the US?" He says that would have made it a product of Canada, but the shirt still says "made in China".
I make purses and I have a hard time determining where exactly the product comes from. The quilting fabric came from Australia, there's two pieces on the outside showing the design, the strap material and plain fabric for the inside was purchased in Canada, and I'm in Canada and sewn it together. It has hardware, which comes from Hong Kong or Taiwan. I've always put it as a product of Canada (the label I sew inside each bag says "made in Canada").
C.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agohttps://www.trade.gov/rules-origin-substantial-transformation
Substantial Transformation Examples:
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There are laws that cover this. My guess would be that a screen printing on a t-shirt isn't substantial enough to change the country of origin. Because it started as a t-shirt and ended as a t-shirt.
Where as, if you import fabric from China, and have American workers cut that fabric into patterns, and sew it into a t-shirt, and then print a design on that t-shirt, it would be considered substantial transformation. It started as fabric and was turned into an entirely different product.
Of course, I could be completely wrong.
recped
·1 year agoYou are completely correct!
@sin-n-dex
To qualify as a Canadian product there are rules, one of the rules is that at least 51% of the Inputs must be Canadian, a Made In China T-shirt with a printed design done in Canada WILL NOT be sufficient to qualify.
You can try contacting US Customs to get a ruling on this question but I highly doubt you will get a positive result.
tryubik-useonlyasdirected
·1 year agoFor anyone looking for HS Codes -
Canada Post has the mother of all HS Code finders:
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/information/app/wtz/entreprise/trouvercodesh?execution=e1s1
hold.your.own.media
·1 year agoNice. I tested Canada Post for a US shipment this evening and the clerk was unaware of anything being held up at the border, or the CoO / HS requirement. So I shipped a bubble mailer as a tracked packet to the US. Lets see how this plays out :).
silverpinups
·1 year agoNice. I tested Canada Post for a US shipment this evening and the clerk was unaware of anything being held up at the border, or the CoO / HS requirement. So I shipped a bubble mailer as a tracked packet to the US. Lets see how this plays out :).
Report back when it passes through US customs.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoI've seen posts from people of parcels in the US... the question is, are tariffs assessed on these packages. I'm going with the assumption people who posted here about using Canada Post to mail packages are not sending China made goods, so technically there should be no tariffs. I'm just wondering how well Canada Post is working in case I need to use them in future.
C.
byto253
·1 year agoThe clerk has fields to enter both COO and HS code. I would print it or write them out and tape it to the package.
dinomitesales
·1 year agoA lot of people don't know this but there is a distinct difference between HS Codes (Harmonized System Codes) and HTS Codes (Harmonized Tariff Schedule Codes). The former is a 6-digit number that is standardized amongst pretty much all countries to identify a product. The latter is a system unique to the United States that is longer than 6 digits (often 10 digits) that has the same first 6 digits, but then adds additional digits to further classify the item into even more distinct categories that match up with the tariff/duty schedule for the States.
So when sending things to the States it's always a good idea to use the HTS Code (longer than 6 digits); elsewhere in the world the HS Code is fine.
Utilizing ChatGPT (or your AI of choice) makes it very easy to determine the proper code to add to your label.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoAm I missing something, or does eBay labels only support 6 digit codes?
For example, for an music CD I belive that 8523.80 is the HS code and 8523.80.1000 is the HTS code.
eBay Labels has a box for a 6 digit HS Tariff code.
It gives me the following error if I try to put in an HTS code:
The HS tariff code must have at least 6 digits and follow this format: 1234.56
Am I missing something, or is there a way to use the 10 digit code with eBay labels?
flipistics
·1 year agoYou need another decimal place. It should be xxxx.xx.xx.xx
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThanks for the help. That worked.
recped
·1 year agoHTS codes are not exclusive to the US, they are used in all countries including Canada
The first 6 digits of the code are the same in all countries, the last 4 digits a set by individual countries as sub-categories in their Tariff Schedule.
To the most countries only the 6 digit codes are required unless the value is high enough to require a formal customs entry. When shipping to the US, at least up until this week, only the 6 digit code was required for shipments valued at less than US$2500. Although only 6 digits are (or were) required, the extra 4 are optional so there is nothing wrong with using them if you like (and the input forms allow for it).
artdeco_rater
·1 year agoExcept ChatGPT stopped at six digits (plus 0000) for 10 digits on books from anywhere to the USA. If you put that same query into the Canada Post site, it drills down to different types of books. So Chat GPT is not necessarily to best source for HTS codes.
dinomitesales
·1 year agoAI should always be used as a tool, rather than an absolute - it's always a good idea to fact-check anything given to you by AI services such as ChatGPT. What it does do well at is giving you a starting point that you can use to cross-reference on a known database; they will also give you links to websites where you can confirm the validity of the information itself.
I have no problem getting the full 10-digit HTS code from ChatGPT, you just need to be specific in your query. For example, if I ask it "what is the 10 digit HTS code for books mailed to the United States?" it gives me the following detailed reply which matches the codes given on the Canada Post site:
The Harmonized Tariff Schedule (HTS) code for books imported into the United States is primarily found under Chapter 49, which covers "Printed books, newspapers, pictures and other products of the printing industry." The specific 10-digit HTS code depends on the type and characteristics of the book. Here are some common classifications:
General Printed Books:
Textbooks:
Children's Picture, Drawing, or Coloring Books:
Religious Books:
Technical, Scientific, and Professional Books:
For a comprehensive list and to determine the most accurate classification for your specific books, you can consult the Harmonized Tariff Schedule directly.
intimewithmusic
·1 year ago@wilsonharborsales
Hi. As far as I know your query to Devon (below) remains the status quo. Hypothetically,
If eBay Canada sellers are subject to a
1. zero de minimus,
2. a 25% USA tariff on top of item pricing,
3. delivery competition with the US sellers getting USPS & ISP rates,
Are there going to be enough domestic and remaining international sales to even support an eBay Canada platform?
I really hope so but someone needs to do the math.
flipistics
·1 year agoeBay's labels support country of origin and HS / HTS codes. In fact, they support the full 10 digit code (which you should probably use until we hear otherwise).
fergua3
·1 year agoSo this means dear old grandma or grandpa are going to have to put HTS and CoO codes on the toy they are sending their grandson in Florida or Michigan? They won't even know what they are. And little Billy will get smacked with tariffs on this birthday present from his grandparents?
wilsonharborsales
OP1 year agosin-n-dex
·1 year agoHow does a letter sent from Canada have a country of origin? On Stallion's platform they ask for country of origin even for letters, I'm shipping stamps and banknotes, so that field is applicable. When I send photos and correspondence to my penpals in the US, there really is no country of origin, except it was written in Canada.
Generally with letters that don't contain goods, I just put a stamp on it and mail it.
C.
intimewithmusic
·1 year agoThey plan on using the DNA from the stamp and AI to connect it with Ancestrydotcom.
Then a CBP officer traces it 3 generations up to the sender's current address...
👨👩👧👩👩👦👦🕺 🤔
fergua3
·1 year agoletter mail? How on earth are you supposed to put codes on lettermail? So even dear old grandma's from around the world are going to need to put HTS and CoO codes on the birthday cards they send little Billy in the US? How on earth is the USPS supposed to check and tariff every single piece of letter mail entering the USA?
What kind of stupidty is this.
recped
·1 year agoLetterPost for international is not supposed to contain any potentially dutiable goods so declarations and HTS codes are unnecessary. Goods are ok for Lettermail (domestic) which don't need either.
If CP staff are telling you they need them for letterPost they should also tell you that shipping goods via LetterPost is not allowed.
intimewithmusic
·1 year agoPlease correct me if I'm wrong.
My understanding is that the export/import rules are for merchandise.
Gifts have always been excluded and will continue top be at least for little Billy's sake I hope... all little billy's need a snare drum from Granny for Christmas. 🥁 😉
wilsonharborsales
OP1 year agohttps://chitchats.com/blog/president-trumps-tariffs-on-canada-and-e-commerce
intimewithmusic
·1 year agoThank you for that! Us eBay label folks aren't seeing that stuff.
Pretty volatile situation. Without diving into politics a Republican voted today to impeach . Unfortunately he seems to be acting alone.
If ebay doesn't say something positive, or at least offer a bit of clarity, It wouldn't surprise me to see F bk Mrkt Place make a domestic move...
fh991586
·1 year agoWho uses ChitChats for lettermail? And it states on their page it's about China & Hong Kong, not Canada. I'd need a quote from a USA official website regarding lettermail to believe it, not what a private company puts up without supportive argument...
Q: Does this change apply to lettermail as well?
A: Yes, the same rules of COO and HTS codes (if from China and Hong Kong) apply for lettermail.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoI shipped one item on Monday that still hasn't cleared customs yet because there was no COO or HS code. It wasn't an option when I shipped, had I waited a few days that might have been resolved since I can add that to my shipments on Stallion Express now.
I'm hoping they will modfy the web forms so you can't proceed without this info, if it's voluntary it's too easy to forget and continue shipping without providing it.
My one item that's stuck is a Canadian token, so I'm not worried it will clear, the customer is not complaining yet, I hope it clears really soon so it can get to them.
C.
fritz985
·1 year agoI shipped an item April 6 and just found out about UPS needing CUSMA form, no mention of it on Ebay or UPS when i filled out the shipping label, now it's being returned to Canada, it was over $800. UPS has their own CUSMA form which I have no idea how to fill it out. it's a single item, I don't even know where it was made.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@devon@ebay
FYI - Re Mandatory Requirements