Incoming U.S. Gov’t 25% Tariff Proposal on ALL Canadian Products
Summary: The discussion revolves around the announcement by the incoming U.S. administration that an executive order will impose a 25% import fee on all goods from Canada. barnfindparts worries about the impact on Canadian sellers, while others speculate about negotiation strategies and retaliation measures. Concerns are raised about the feasibility of implementing such tariffs due to logistics and staffing challenges. Participants also discuss the potential harm to both the Canadian and U.S. economies, especially in terms of trade and supply chains. The conversation involves discussions on existing de minimis rules and eBay's role in collecting tariffs, with various opinions on how this would affect sellers and buyers alike. Overall, there is a shared sense of uncertainty and concern about the potential economic fallout.
marnotom!
·1 year agoI think a better avenue than getting eBay involved in another international forwarding program would be for Canada to pursue better trade relationships with the European Union and other major-ish trading partners that would allow it either to comply with, simplify, or even circumvent matters such as registration for compliance with the packaging waste directive.
dity8858
·1 year agobonecrusher86
·1 year agoWill USA buyers and Canadian sellers be slapped with a 25% tariff if the item being shipped from Canada to United States is "MADE IN AMERICA"? (The item is being repatriated back to its birthplace.)
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@bonecrusher86
The Trumpster is under the impression that any trade is bad trade and therefore unwanted trade that should be taxed, no matter who it penalizes!!!
intimewithmusic
·1 year ago@bonecrusher86
@lotzofuniquegoodies is correct. In order for Trump to do what he's doing he has to nullify the trade agreement with a legal argument. In this case he chose fentanol for a legal excuse.
The trade agreement was the instrument allowing duty free movement. Since Feb he has insinuated ALL goods from Canada we're subject to tariffs. This past few days he has modified his retorick and is saying Canadian produced goods.
Frankly I think he wants to generate as much money as possible and if he just tariffs Canadian made" the revenue will be peanuts..
recped
·1 year agoThe overwhelming share of exports from Canada to the US are of Canadian origin.
intimewithmusic
·1 year agoHi @recped
Thanks for the stats! The problem with them is they have nothing to do with online sales. From reading the posts it's clear many sellers haven't bothered with Harm Tax codes or COOs so they are not in documented categories.
I can't find new stats specific to eBay but the breakdown of average selling prices I have for eBay USA from 5 years ago for items sold on dot com (without shipping charges or taxes) were;
Over $100 US = 6%
$30 to $100US = 4%
<$30 US = 90%
<$12 US =50%
I believe I got these figures from "eBay for Business". Considering 90% of all items sold on eBay are under $30 (US stats) most of us can rule out all the categories in your list except a few may have fallen under cat #10. Most items were under the $800 de minimus so this list doesn't really account for online sales. I'd expect items sold on eBay Canada would be similar.
The question isn't about those categories but rather "Will the goods eBay sellers sell to the US that are not specifically "Made In Canada" but possibly "Made In China" or another country Trump is attacking be duty free?" Now he's attacking pretty much everyone except Russia and Israel. What is actually going to affect eBay Canada sellers?
A year ago Biden was ramping up to stop major Chinese players like Temu from exporting into the US by exploiting the de Minimus. When Trump eliminated the deminimus on China was he COO specific? I don't think so. Correct me if I'm wrong. Were items sold by China but made in other countries allowed into the US tariff free?
It doesn't seem like he is acknowledging the CUSMA in that regard. Besides being about jobs for Americans he wants money for his "Sovereign Wealth Fund".
I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's too soon to speculate as he is reinventing his own wheel. In recent days he's been using the phrase ""goods made in Canada".
If you're suggesting non "Made In Canada" items sold by eBay Canada sellers will be exempt I hope you're right!
Thank you for your input!
recped
·1 year agoThanks for the stats! The problem with them is they have nothing to do with online sales. From reading the posts it's clear many sellers haven't bothered with Harm Tax codes or COOs so they are not in documented categories.
Online (ecommerce) sales from Canada to the US are almost insignificant in terms of total exports from Canada.
If you're suggesting non "Made In Canada" items sold by eBay Canada sellers will be exempt I hope you're right!
I would never suggest such a thing, tariffs are based on Country of Origin (where they are manufactured) not the country of export. This applies to tariffs in any country.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Were items sold by China but made in other countries allowed into the US tariff free?
There is almost nothing exported from China that is not made in China, there are some goods that contain non-China made components such as Samsung phones/tv's where the screens are made in South Korea but the rest of the components are made and assembled in China.
intimewithmusic
·1 year agoWow. Considering China is a neighbour to Mongolia, Russia and many other countries that make and grow stuff that's mindblowing. Shows how little I know about communism. A lot of soybean, wheat and corn products are exported from China but you are right they do not grow them domestically. They process them. You could call a bag of popcorn "made in China" even though they don't grow corn. It relates to Mexico making a lot of parts for American manufacturers where the finished product is declared "made in USA".
In the 80s Leo Fender sold his guitar company to CBS. They made a few in America but got the price down by making the strats in Japan. guitar players stopped buying the US guitars because the Japanes models played better and were much cheaper. Eventually CBS sold Fender to a US company. They had the necks and parts made in Mexico. Many owners thought they were better than the ones made in the US.
This opened the door for many small guitar pickup makers like Evans and Seymour Duncan because those offshore stratocasters were good but the pickups in them from asia weren't so good. Those companies thrived.
This is relevant because Trump thinks the US can do everything domestically using US labour and tech. He doesn't recognize the value of foreign craftspeople. If he were to build a fuel efficient car completely out of US made parts, built by US labour using US technology Americans couldn't afford it.
flipistics
·1 year agoIt's not supposed to be, but that doesn't mean it won't be. Also, it's possible that there could be brokerage charges applied to the item even if no tax or duty are payable depending on how it's sent.
Personally, I'm operating under the assumption that it won't be for now.
cottagewoman
·1 year agoreallynicestamps
·1 year agoWhich comes down to -- the USA needs to hire LOT of customs agents.
Yesterday.
And the exporters already have the importers money.
So will the Canadian exporters be unhappy?
Or the (voting) (letter writing)(phoning) (emailing) American importers?
bonecrusher86
·1 year agoWill tariffs be imposed on sales of items from Canada to United States if the item is "Made In America"?
visual-sound
·1 year agoCanada is going to build a wall and the US is going to pay for it!
mimi20222022
·1 year agoThat tarrif effectively nullifies the any profit Canadian sellers make. And even if a seller is just clearing out the closets of unwanted items, they may as well just give them to the local Goodwill store rather than go through the time and trouble of listing on Ebay. If a tarrif is to be imposed, it should be limited to items over a certain dollar amount...say $10,000. rather than on small ticket items.
wilsonharborsales
OP1 year agoMany products cross the border 2x-10x during the manufacturing process. Rail lines, shipping lines, pipelines and trade routes that have developed over the past 80 years were effectively nullified with the EO. There are no details as to what is included and what is excluded. Departments that handle U.S. trade policy have been gutted with cuts. Voices that are requesting a measured approach and a discussion surrounding strategic policy are immediately dismissed. Additionally, to move operations into the U.S. is a 5+ year process ... it is not as simple as just moving there as has been proposed. I cross the border frequently in Niagara Falls and there are now military checkpoints that pop-up and are operated by armed members of the USCG that are searching vehicles and commercial trucks. This is a major shift in trade alliances and foreign policy and I don't think anyone really knows fully what is happening.
I am an optimistic person and generally apolitical. I have spent much of my life on both sides of the border. Long-standing friendships and partnerships are ending as the narrative has switched from partnership to blame overnight. I think this is a scary time. Almost every Canadian business is concerned and questioning whether they will be able to operate in this environment. Almost every American business is concerned that their supply chain broken and that they may be unable to adjust to the overnight demands that are being forced on their business.
We are all in this together. Everyone is terrified. Everyone has mouths to feed. Let's hope for the best, it is all outside of our control. Best of luck to you all.
byto253
·1 year agoBelieve that I read that where there is a tariff on a specific category the de mininimus for that category is no valid but remains elsewhere. If it is a general tariff on all goods, I expect the de minimus is toast.
The $800 limit is super generous compared to everywhere else. I have always thought it may be lowered.
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoIf they are shipping from Canadan warehouses, then TEMU /Shein would be required to collect and remit Canadian sales taxes on any sale.
And if they were shipping from China, the customer would be paying the Canadian sales taxes (on products over $20) at their doorstep.
marnotom!
·1 year agorecped
·1 year agoThat is not how it works, Temu collects GST/HST/PST on all orders sold in Canada, it doesn't matter where they are shipped from. Temu customers in Canada will NEVER "pay at the doorstep".
dinomitesales
·1 year agoI dont' see how they would be able to fully implement this as soon as the day of presidential inauguration.
The logistics alone don't even make sense. Wouldn't they need like a ton of extra border personnel to inspect/assess every package coming from Canada? And then how do they collect this 25% from the recipient? Is USPS even set up to collect and remit these fees?
flipistics
·1 year agoI doubt pesky little details like that will matter. I'm not completely convinced the emergency measures would supercede the de minimis, but I'll be turning off orders to the States on the 17th until we know exactly how things are going to shake out.
In the event the tariffs do fully apply, I don't think I would want to sell anything to the States unless or until eBay implements tariff collection at the time of sale. I don't think I'd want to take the risk of Americans used to the de minimis suddenly being hit with 25% when they pick up their parcels. I'd imagine the feedback wouldn't be pretty.
wilsonharborsales
OP1 year agoI just hope the de minimus stays in place so that at least small business has a fighting chance. It is very hard to prepare for, because no one is really sure what is going on.
fergua3
·1 year agoi doubt the tarriff will apply to small items sent by mail from Canada, at least not right away. There would be no administration in place to collect them.
Trump always speaks in grand, sweeping, vague ways. Across the board means lumber, oil, autos, grain......it doessn't mean a set of hockey cards or a toy truck for little Johnny.
Eventually de minimus may go away and when it does then the Americans may start getting charged but it would take months to set that up and cost a fortune.....i'm sure Trump will say we are going to pay for it but the reality is he is going to have to pay for it as well as his new Department of Tariff Collections. ..and the whole thing will probably fizzle once Americans see auto prices soar, or can't get the stuff they need from Canada. Remember, the Americans don't buy stuff from Canada to be swell, they buy stuff from Canada because they need the stuff Canada has. Tariffs just make it more expensive for them.
I still think Trump believes the seller pays the tariffs. I don't think he understands that the buyers pay the tariffs. Maybe he thinks we'll discount the prices of our goods by 25% to offset the tariffs? But there would be no point in doing that as we'd be taking a loss on everything we sell.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoThe tarrifs are aimed at BIG businesses>importers of mass produced products>big companies that import/export not the average eBay seller who is selling hobby items, collectibles and so forth, so unless you are a business that imports/exports products for distribution down the chain I don't see this as a huge threat to the average eBay seller>and until that is proven otherwise I see no need for all this panic-like discussion...
recped
·1 year agoYes lots of unnecessary anguish here.
The EU and the UK eliminated the de minimus exemption for VAT a couple of years ago while it bothered a few of the usual "can you mark the value as $10" crowd it didn't seem to have any other effect.
When eBay was required to collect State Sales Tax on any sales that were shipped from outside the US what effect did that have? Did US buyers stop buying from Canada?
inthearia
·1 year agoSays ALL items imported into the USA will be tariffed - not ONLY those from larger companies. So us small sellers will suffer too then.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoDT is playing games with countries, with businesses,industries et all peoples...it's what this bully does...DT gets off pulling the strings like a puppet, gets the attention while watching the reaction of his puppets bobbling about like rag dolls....makes him feel good and a sense of accomplishment and this is how he gets world attention ....and in the end it's all about how much he thinks he has accomplished by seemingly "doing a good thing" for the USA....These tariffs are an on again, off again game as he manipulates countries to bowing to his demands. There is NO way to know at this point what the true result will be until there is ACTION. Talk, talk,talk =NOTHING >when the mouth spouts off, the brain is nowhere in sight.
nhl_automotive
·1 year agoThe white house press release seems to say the $800 duty free threshold is still in effect on most items.
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoI just hope the de minimus stays in place so that at least small business has a fighting chance.
Chinese sellers already made the change some seven or eight years ago
For a while before that, Chinese sellers were renting US warehouses and hiring US personnel, to ship purchases from the USA.
When the first round of tariffs came in they closed those warehouses, fired the workers, and returned to shipping from China. The Universal Postal Union agreement on postal rates came into this too.
The $800 de minimus came into this.
Most of those Chinese competitors are shipping from China, under the de minimus, with still low China Post rates. They will remain competitors for those sellers of mass market goods made there.
When eBay was required to collect State Sales Tax on any sales that were shipped from outside the US what effect did that have? Did US buyers stop buying from Canada?
I saw a drop of about 5% in my sales to the USA. Which may or may not have been related. My products are OOAK.
recped
·1 year agoThis isn't really how it works anymore.
Temu (and probably Shein but I don't deal with them) pick & pack orders in China, these are then shipped in bulk via charter cargo flight direct to Canada or the US where the individual packages are then delivered mostly using non-postal carriers for the last mile deliveries. Temu does use Canada Post or USPS for rural/remote deliveries but most places are now serviced by companies like UniUni.
Temu has also been opening (or contracting) warehouses in Canada (and the US) where they can offer 2 - 3 day delivery. Presently they are only using local warehouses for their most popular items but the share that is locally warehoused is getting bigger and bigger (there were none in Canada up until Spring/Summer 2024).
Regardless of where the orders are shipped from Temu collects Canadian GST/HST/PST, I do not know for sure if they are collecting US Sales tax.
prescilaschina
·1 year agoCalifornia is drying up. The US needs water flowing from Canada. I have yet to hear a Canadian politician use water as a bargaining tool against the threat of tariffs.
For those of us who are able to swallow 25% will it matter? or will US buyers simply exclude Canadian sellers from their search metrics thinking it’s not worth the effort?
wilsonharborsales
OP1 year agoDanielle Smith just returned from Mar-A-Lago and stated that 25% U.S. tariffs across the board are coming on January 20th. They may use emergency powers to push this through as an executive order which would supercede de minimus laws.
carlmarxx
·1 year agoNo ! We in Califorina aren't drying up! It is wet and raining in N.Ca. and we will be getting rain in S. Ca. next weekend .
rdemaree
·1 year agoFrom what I am gathering- IF the 25% tariffs were to go forward its likely most of us would be spared since we sell/ ship overwhelmingly items below $800 according to De Minimus?
recped
·1 year agoThat is true, the only potential issue is that there have been some moves in the US to eliminate the De Minimus exemption (suggested by the Biden Administration). That is something that could happen at some point and apply to all imports or just imports from specific countries.
One thing to keep in mind, Trump talks a lot, Trump threatens a lot. It's questionable if this threat will ever happen or if it does what it would apply to or how long it would last.
I'm all for being prepared but there is a lot of unnecessary freaking out at the moment.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoI for one, am not doing this "unnecessary freaking out ".
I strongly believe in "one day at a time"
marnotom!
·1 year agoI have to agree. As I'm pretty sure I've posted elsewhere, this is the new version of Trump's wall. The wall and now the conception of an idea of the tariffs got him the attention he craves and tapped into a misguided wellspring of support in the process. The wall with Mexico was less than one-quarter completed during his tenure in office and there doesn't seem to be any talk about resurrecting it, from what I can see. There's just vague posturings about improving security. The tariffs, should they be enacted, will likely fizzle or even flame out once it's determined how much damage they're doing to the US economy.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@marnotom!
With the wall he said Mexico would pay for it. With 25% tariffs everyone would pay for it in some shape or form. Added costs or reduced sales.
tellephoto
·1 year agoDo not worry; with Trudeau in charge of Canada, we can become the 51st state in the USA.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoTrump has indicated on more than one occasion that Canada IS the 51st state ...and I highly doubt Trudeau is the one to agree with that!
As to the topic of tariffs, no one knows what the end result will be as no matter what tariffs are placed on ANY country, it is also a blow to the USA economy! It is the USA businesses and the American population that will also suffer from any tarriffs
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoThe tariffs, should they be enacted, will likely fizzle or even flame out once it's determined how much damage they're doing to the US economy.
President Musk will not allow them since most of his parts are made offshore.
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoAs is often the case I am confused.
The "private" seller in the UK"can list up to 300 items per month for free, and will pay 35p per listing after that. "
How does that differ from a non-Store seller here who can list up to 250 items monthly and pays 35c per listing after that?
Where does the Selling Fee of 13.5% come in?
Will that now be charged directly to the Buyer?
Add to your UK purchase 13.5% buying fee, £ 5.00 shipping, 17% VAT -- yah, no.
Mercari decided to go with Buyer fees instead of Seller fees earlier this year.
How many weeks did that last?
visual-sound
·1 year agoEveyone getting their panties in a knot! I'll take a wait and see position on tarriffs that won't apply to most EBay sales. My US sales have been down ever since CP cracked down on media mail rates anyway. Frankly, I'm more concerned about the postal strike. Thanks Posties for eliminating this years Christmas sales bump.
nhl_automotive
·1 year agoEbay's already thinking about eliminating selling fees like they did in Europe. This will make it a certainty or they'll go out of business, at least in Canada. I think the Canada Post strike might push them to do it.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@nhl_automotive
For anyone interested in a bit of reading material here are the links for selling fee structures for the UK and Germany. Find it interesting how much things can vary region to region or even between Canada and the USA.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/selling/fees-credits-invoices/fees-private-sellers?id=4822
https://www.ebay.de/help/selling/fees-credits-invoices/gebhren-fr-private-verkufer?
id=4822&st=3&pos=1&query=Geb%C3%BChren%20f%C3%BCr%20private%20Verk%C3%A4ufer&intent=selling%20fees&lucenceai=lucenceai&docId=HELP1456#section5
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoIf their decision to cut or remove fees is influenced by a 25 percent US tariff, I think that a better move would be to keep fees as they are for US orders, but offer US buyers a very obvious deduction at checkout to offset the tariff.
Everything works out the same for the seller. If eBay doesn't charge fees, but I know the buyer is getting charged an additional 25 percent, I may have to drop my prices by 25 percent to compensate. If eBay charges fees but I know eBay will cover that 25 percent for the buyer, I don't have to drop my prices by 25 percent to compensate.
Either way, the end result is exactly the same for the buyer, seller, and eBay - except eBay can heavily market to US buyers that they get a discount on Canadian orders. Not to mention, it eliminates lost sales to sticker shock at checkout such as a $100 item added to cart that ends up being $150+ at checkout.
Lastly, it makes it easier to manage pricing because even if they eliminate fees for domestic orders but keep them for US orders (while giving US buyers a phantom 25 percent discount paid for partially by those fees), sellers don't have to find a way to balance their prices between two completely different markets.
People will say a discount for the buyer is bad, why doesn't the seller get the money! The seller does get the money, because if the buyer is getting a 25 percent coupon or rebate paid for by eBay (like all eBay coupons), that means sellers don't have to lower their prices by 25 percent to compensate for the tariffs.
recped
·1 year agoYou actually think there would be a reason for eBay to cover 25% tarrifs for US Buyers?
Why would you as a seller think you need to cover Trump tarrifs? Did you cover the Sales Tax US buyers paid starting in 2018?
If you buy something from the US that is subject to retaliatory tarrifs imposed by Canada do you think US sellers should/would cover that?
What are you smoking!
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoIt was in response to a post suggesting that eBay might remove fees entirely in Canada, which they have done in other territories.
My point was that removing fees or keeping fees but using them to fund a perpetual coupon code that offsets the tariff would be the same thing for sellers, but might increase sales to the USA because they will feel like they are getting a better deal and it would eliminate sticker shock (think of the psychology with "free" shipping). Either way, the money goes into the pocket of the seller. The only thing that changes is whose hands the money travels through to get there.
An example:
I have an item worth $500, with the tariff I have to lower the price to $400, because it won't sell for $500+25 percent. Therefore, I lose $100 of profit that I would have made before the tariffs. If eBay eliminates fees, it helps offset that $100 loss. In this scenario with no fees but a lowered price because of tariffs, I walk away with $400.
Or, I have an item worth $500, if eBay continues to charge fees but uses those on marketing efforts meant to subsidize the tariff, I can keep it priced at $500 because the buyer will have a coupon (paid for by eBay) for 25 percent off (that offsets the tariff). I will pay roughly $100 or less in fees, those fees would in theory subsidize the coupon. I would not have to lower my price like I would in example 1. Therefore, I walk away with roughly the same amount, $400. Except, it would eliminate the sticker shock at checkout.
Both scenarios are the same is the point. It's the same concept that is discussed to death in threads about "free shipping" not being free, but sellers do it as a marketing effort because it eliminates sticker shock. The end result is the same in terms of how much profit you make as a seller.
What I am suggesting is that if eBay gets to the point that they are considering eliminating fees on Canadian orders to the USA because of the tariff, that maintaining fees but using them to subsidize coupons and marketing efforts aimed at attracting US buyers might bring more value to Canadian sellers than just eliminating fees.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoThe main aim of these tariffs isn't at the little mom and pop shops or the average volume seller on eBay or any other selling site, the tariffs are aimed at big business, big companies, manufacturers and the like; so let's not cry "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" just yet....
fergua3
·1 year agoeven if this new tarriff doesn't effect we ebay sellers, the sky is most definitely falling, if it happens. It would devastate the Canadian economy. We'd be in a recession within a month or two and never get out of it, at least not for many moons after the tarriffs are lifted. There would be massive unemployment. Our economy is intimately intertwined with the US.
It will also do a lot of harm to the US economy, especially of some states. Remember how the trucker convoy blockade of the borders caused havoc among several US states and their Governors. Tarriffs will be the same.
So that is our best chance......the outcry from several of the US states makes Trump back off.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoI am of the belief that the USA economy would implode upon itself with this tariff concept and that will force the Trump Administration to re-think, backpeddle ...yes initially all countries will be in trouble but this tariff BS will not survive 4 yrs without consequence to the USA itself, nor will the USA survive 4 years of such nonsense without consequence.
This is a wait and see...what is said vs what happens...
One day at a time...
Que sera, sera!
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@mrdutch1001
@fergua3
It would be a major nightmare for companies like Wally World or your US anything for a buck store sourcing alternate suppliers. For dollar stores 45% is from N. America . Balance is from China, India & ummm Mexico? Consequences? Prices go through the roof.
Ya gotta love executive orders!!! History lesson attached.
History and use. With the exception of William Henry Harrison, all presidents since George Washington in 1789 have issued orders that in general terms can be described as executive orders. Initially, they took no set form and so they varied as to form and substance.
The following Presidential actions are revoked: Executive Order 13925 of May 28, 2020 (Preventing Online Censorship), Executive Order 13933 of June 26, 2020 (Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence), Executive Order 13934 of July 3, 2020 (Building and Rebuilding ...May 14, 2021
darak10
·1 year agoi asked a friend of my wife who is a Bay St economist for one of the big six for their opinion on what the tariffs will do.
This persons answer was frighteningly succinct.
"It will destroy the Canadian economy."
fergua3
·1 year ago"It will destroy the Canadian economy"
Eventually it may well. But not for a long while.. And Canada may well be able to adapt to a large extent by tapping other markets for our goods and the US consumer will pay more or do without altogether, especiallly if we refuse to sell them oil and cut off the electricity we supply. Causing Trump to back down.
Or the tariffs may fizzle out after a few weeks like they did last time and that's that. All is possible.
If you really want dark scenarios, how about this. Trump decides he wants Canada to become part of the US and puts crippling sanctions on us until we agree. That would make Canada a third world economy in about a year. So either we agree to join the US, under no doubt very unfavorable terms, or we fight.
We declare what the US is doing is an act of war, invoke article 5 of the NATO accord and all NATO allies come to our defense. Afterall, we helped Europe out in two world wars, it's time for them to reciprocate. So that's how bad this situation can get.
But it probably won't come close to that. So it's better to take one day at a time and not panic. Be properly concerned and take each event as it comes. Trump is often all bluster.
mrdutch1001
·1 year ago""It will destroy the Canadian economy."">>>
That's because the tariffs are aimed a BIG business/Industries just like back in T***P's previous admin, with the tariffs on steel, aluminum,lumber...
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoThis tariff "war" isn't just about Canada, other nations will have similar and one must remember the"source" and that this sort of "punishment" placed on countries will indeed come back to bite ...what goes around, comes around...and the USA will find its ownself affectly deeply by these tariff actions...
Think back to Trump's previous tariffs on lumber, steel, aluminum and how that increased costs for USA businesses and USA consumers...
stringers_books_and_collectibles
·1 year agoHello all, what will probably happen is what many Canadians ask of US sellers. We'll be asked by the buyer to put $10.00 or something like that on the declared value.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year agoIf you were to do that, you would be making a fraudulent declaration to US customs and be breaking the law. So not recommended. Reason why you are signing that document. For couriers a copy of packing slips is required that has to match with the customs invoice. At this time the post office does not require but that could change going forward.
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoWe'll be asked by the buyer to put $10.00 or something like that on the declared value.
If we are buying a tracked label the description (title) and value are already on the label, and we are required to give the HS code.
So we have a good reason to politely refuse to change the value.
lotsa.luck
·1 year agoAnd don't forget, if US government charges buyers 25% and ebay collects it, ebay will add their 13.25% FVF on the amount of the tariff collected.
Or if US government charges sellers 25% and ebay collects it, ebay will add their 13.25% FVF on the amount of the tariff collected.
They already do charge the full FVF on all sales tax they collect from buyers as a service charge for the collection and remitance of tax.
A tariff of any amount will be a nightmare for ebay buyers and sellers not to mention ordinary citizens of all nations. Perhaps even bad for ebay!
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoLots of us use Stallion Express and Chit Chats to get our de minimis packages across the border. That might be the end of these two shipping services if de minimis goes away.
C.
crossborderexpress
·1 year agoCrossBorderExpress.com
mandicrafts
·1 year agoThe US deminimus is $800 USD. So anything UNDER $800 is good to go. So even if this unlikely tariff scenario were to happen, it wouldn't affect anything under $800 US value for regular American people buying from outside of the US.
Also, they don't have enough customs workers to enforce EVERY package to be evaluated and charged. Much like the Canadian customs people, and why it is entirely random whether we are charged taxes/duty for items over $20CAD. There simply are not enough workers to enforce.
barnfindparts
·1 year agoThanks for the info I assumed it would be for all goods imported from Canada I was unware of the $800 US daily exemption for US importers.
fh991586
·1 year agoIf stupid wants to add 25% tariff, he can also remove that $800 provision. Nothing is official nor off-limit, so we can't tell what will really happen...
cottagewoman
·1 year agoflipistics
·1 year agoI suspect that's where his comments on drugs and immigration come from. I think he's going to argue that the USA is at war and use executive powers to enact a lot of stuff. By the time the courts strike it all down, his 4 years will probably be up.
recped
·1 year agoIt does but there have been lots of discussion about doing away with the De Minimis exception. The subject has come up a lot because of Shein and Temu and the way they ship individual (below $800) orders by the planeload and avoid paying any duties.
If the De Minimis exception was removed it would affect companies like Stallion or ChitChats that essentially do the same thing.
Unlike in 2016/17 when there were a number of Trumps cabinet that opposed many of Trumps ideas this time around they be hardly any that won't automatically go along with anything Trump proposes.
On the other hand, control of both the House and Senate is so slim that getting anything requiring Congressional approval passed may be difficult if not impossible.
Keep in mind that during the campaign Trump was proposing 100% tarrifs and more than once suggested rates of 200 - 300%. There were thousands of things Trump floated in his first term that never happened, to some extent this is just more of the same.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoI just posted something about this a few minutes ago... I use Stallion Express (and sometimes Chit Chats) to ship my packages cross border. They are allowed to do it because of the de minimis exemption.
If Stallion Express and Chit Chats goes away, I will have to switch back to Canada Post which would mean mainly less visibility on the .com site (where I am allowed to put my US shipping location since that's where tracking starts with USPS, eBay confirmed this is allowed if the item ships from the US). Secondly people will be wary of buying from Canada because of duties and taxes in this scenario.
Um, how many agents are they going to have to employ to tax all the packages that used to be exempt under de minimis?
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cottagewoman
·1 year agobyto253
·1 year agoI read it ths same way. The wording seem to indicate a need to fine tune, not wholesale eliminate it. I think eliminating it totally would not be popular in the US. You may see something such as 1 shipment per shipper can claim it - which would mess up chitchats and stallion.
"This regulatory action will propose to require specific, additional data for de minimis shipments – including the 10-digit tariff classification number and the person claiming the de minimis exemption – which will improve targeting of de minimis shipments and facilitate expedited clearance of lawful de minimis shipments."
crossborderexpress
·1 year agosin-n-dex
·1 year agoRead my post. Biden is already working on it.
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fh991586
·1 year agoI read your link posted AFTER my comment, and it's not the same game at all. Have you read it? There's a difference in tone that goes a long way.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoBiden Administration was proposing eliminating/reducing de minimis, I found this article:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/09/13/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-new-actions-to-protect-american-consumers-workers-and-businesses-by-cracking-down-on-de-minimis-shipments-with-unsafe-unfairly-traded-products/
So if this actually passes (which would probably be with the Trump Administration since I don't think they'll pass it before Trump takes power), then we'd be subject to tariffs selling from Canada as well.
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crossborderexpress
·1 year agoAs a CrossBorder shipper in Niagara Falls Ontario the option would be a US Customs Broker at that point. Especially eliminating de minimis, section 321 $800 US limit per pkg)
It would be something to consider if they were to match $ 20 cdn into Canada. It would be devastating to the Cdn economy CrossBorderExpress.com
crossborderexpress
·1 year agoCrossBorderExpress.com
intimewithmusic
·1 year agoalso for @lotzofuniquegoodies
I don't think you have up to date information. The US De minimus rule has been under review for a year. Biden had changes ready to go in September. Since then Trumps crew is posturing to revoke the current rule. This report was released on January 29, 2025. I do not know if it has been fact checked;
CBP Proposes to Modify the De Minimis Exemption
Proposal Excludes Certain Low-Value Imports and Introduces New Entry Requirements
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoIt's not clear what's inelligble for de minimis, I can't find any clear answers on the sections mentioned above (just that it relates to an investigation).
What we need is a list of what's not covered under de minimis and subject to duty/tariffs. I would be willing to bet most eBay sellers don't sell those goods, and probably Stallion Express prohibits using their services to transport such goods (which means it's not something eBay sellers who do cross border shipping have to worry about, stuff like food, over the counter medicine and such is not allowed anyway).
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musicyouneed
·1 year agoIt will be ugly for Canadian sellers if Trump follows through on a 25% tariff. I somehow suspect that it is part of a plan to negotiate illegal immigration from both countries, but Trump is such a wild card, the next 4 years will be chaos. I never thought he would get reelected but since he has, button your seat belt.
"The tariff, Trump emphasized, will remain until Mexico and Canada take what he called their “absolute right and power” to stop the flow of illegal drugs and migrants.
“We hereby demand that they use this power, and until such time that they do, it is time for them to pay a very big price,” Trump declared."
fergua3
·1 year agothe 25% tarrriffs announced yesterday by Trump are new. They are punitive measures being taken against Mexico and Canada specifically because of all the immigrants and fentanyl flowing into the US from our two cuntries.
Until Canada and Mexico secure their borders against the flow of immigrants and drugs into the US the tarriffs will remain in place.
Ok, so......this is crazy. I rather thought fentanyl were coming INTO Canada from the US not the other way around. And most immigrants that are in Canada are quite happy to stay here, not sneak into the US. There are some exceptions of course but only in minute numbers. Seems like Trump has been listening to conspiracy theories again.
Anyway, the threat is quite real. Could be some bizarre Trump negotiating tactic, could be he's gone mad. Either way it will devastate Canada's economy to the tune of about 3% or more off the GDP. It will really hurt the US economy too. Car parts flow to the US from Canada. The tarriffs will drive up US auto prices by over 10% over night. And what abot the electricity supplied to US states from Canada? Is he going to let US consumer hydro bills jump 25%?
He seems to think those shipping goods to the US are going to pay the tarriffs by dropping prices. But for virtually all goods, a 25 percent drop would require taking a loss, which nobody is going to do. So either prices go up in the US or the goods don't get sent the US.....goods the US needs. If they didn't need them they wouldn't be importing them.
Trump claims to be a super sharp business man and stable genius. He certainly doesn't have much of a grasp on how trade works. Will saner heads prevail? Maybe, if there are any sane heads in the new Trump admin.
byto253
·1 year agoMy concern is the flow of drugs & firearms into Canada. Yes, let's tighten it up really good!
flipistics
·1 year agoSounds like it will be 25% on everything from everywhere, not just Canada.
Hopefully eBay is working on something to allow the tariffs to be shown and collected at time of purchase. It will be a disaster if buyers in the States suddenly get hit with 25% at their doors. It's also not clear whether country of origin will matter, even if the products were made in the USA. It might end up effectively being a non-refundable sales tax since that might be the only way to handle it without breaking all the international free trade deals.
Definitely something to keep an eye on. It might be an idea to put stores on time away (or turn off international sales) for a week or so after he takes office until we see how things shake out and how what eBay does to support us.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@flipistics
@wilsonharborsales
Pretty sure 25% is negotiating. Shoot for the moon scenario. The bigger question is who will be collecting? If it is at eBay's end Canadian sellers will be hooped when it comes to added fees.
flipistics
·1 year agoI wouldn't be so sure. He's talked about it for some time now and has been specifically mentioning executive orders on day one with regards to it. In business, Trump has a history of breaking things down first and then trying to make deals with desperate people after (which probably won't work with other countries). I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him enact it (hopefully I'm wrong).
As far as the collection of the fees go, there's nothing stopping eBay from not collecting them on that portion. I would imagine they would have to approach it that way, the same as the carveouts regarding international shipping and for the same reason.
bruceclarkemexico
·1 year agoI suspect you are correct. Trump likes to throw a lot of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. He doesn't give a **bleep** what Canadians or Mexicans think - but if his US supporters start complaining because Mexican produce and Canadian gas/oil cost 25% more, he's likely to drop the idea quickly.