Shipping a record made in both canada and us to US
Summary: lud-4367 inquired about the tariff implications and HS tariff code entry for a vintage record purchase where the jacket is made in the USA, and the disc in Canada. mrdutch1001 explained that for items under $800, tariffs aren't a concern and suggested declaring it as a single item to avoid complications. recped shared historical context, noting that jackets often were printed in Canada with discs made in the US. There was a debate between lud-4367 and mrdutch1001 about the validity of records having components made in different countries, with mrdutch1001 expressing surprise based on extensive collecting experience. Other participants also shared their thoughts on the complexities of determining country of origin for various goods.
A buyer in us bought a vintage record. The jacket is made in usa, but the disc is made in canada. Many vintage records sold in us and canada produced like this. My questions are,
1. How tariff will affect on this item?
2. How to input HS tariff code on this?
; I did look up the code, and it's "Phonograph records - 8523.80.10.00" whether the country of origin is canada or us. Do I need to input 2 items in custom form?
- Item description: record jacket, Quantity:1, Value (CAD):25, Weight: 100g. HS tariff code: 8523.80, Country of origin: USA
- Item description: vinyl record, Quantity:1, Value (CAD):25, Weight: 100g. HS tariff code: 8523.80, Country of origin: canada
* value and weight is divided from total weight and price.
Thanks in advance.
reallynicestamps
·1 year ago@ricarmic
Do you remember ?
"Tribal drums in the jungles of Botswana
Bring back sweet memories of you
We were guerillas in the outback baby
And the skies were always blue."
Nancy White -Civil Service Songwriter.
ricarmic
·1 year ago@reallynicestamps Nope, but then again most days by suppertime I've forgotten what I had for breakfast....
ricarmic
·1 year agoI'm not a record seller but I can say that filling the COO is strengthening my understanding of country origins, I've had to look up to confirm COO for stamps from: North Borneo, Saar, Bechuanaland, Southern Rhodesia etc etc etc to figure out/confirm what countries they are now. Most I know but I've had some surprises too!
reallynicestamps
·1 year agootherwise I might be thinking this is a mis-match
When I worked in Smiths Falls right after university, there was still an LP factory active.
They made only the records.
It's also not unusual for paperback covers to be printed in the USA and shipped to Canada where the (heavier) part of the book is printed.
Mostly speculation on my part- I was there to run the Youth Employment Centre for Manpower Canada.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoThanks for your input and useful info about there being separate publication processes...
lud-4367
OP1 year agoJust out of curiosity, I already mentioned that "Many vintage records sold in us and canada produced like this." Why this wan't enought to convince you?
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoOver 60 years of collecting vinyl and having had a collection of 2500+ LPs, never encountered that scenario.
Sorry to disappoint with my personal experience!
lud-4367
OP1 year agoYou must been collecting only bootleg records for 60 years. lol
mrdutch1001
·1 year ago"You must been collecting only bootleg records">> "seems to me that is your dept....being that I never engaged in anything "bootleg"....
However, 99% of my very legitimate & valuable LP record collection was sold over 15 years ago when prices were extremely good compared to current timeframe ....
and most of the 200 remaining LPs in my collection are still factory sealed.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoUnless the record has a value over $800 nothing to worry about regarding tariffs. As a vinyl seller myself, I don't recall ever having a jacket made in one country and the vinyl made in another. Are you the original owner of this record? as otherwise I might be thinking this is a mis-match(wherein someone has switched up one or the other for whatever the reason)
It is my understanding that one has to input only the information as it pertains to that 1 single item, otherwise it may appear that you are shipping 2 items.
recped
·1 year agoIn the 1980's and 1990's the vast majority of LP covers used by indie labels in the US were printed by Ross-Ellis in Montreal with the discs made locally (US or Canada). They usually state Printed in Canada on the jackets, the discs themselves usually say Made In USA. I got out of the business in 2001, my guess is that they continued to be the leading printer at least until the Canada Dollar zoomed to $1.10 vs the US Dollar.
On the reverse, many of the Canadian Major labels imported US covers from their US HQ and then pressed the records in Canada so it's very common to see this dual country thing.
@lud-4367
It really doesn't mattter which country you use, I would just go by the markings on the jackets, there is no need to complicate matters with two different country of origin declarations. As mentioned by @mrdutch1001 they both qualify for the US$800 de minimus exemption under CUSMA.