Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post
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Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post. What do you think is going to happen? Are the postal workers going to be on strike till Christmas? Canada Post has 45 days to produce a plan re the proposed changes, are the postal workers going to stay out till then or longer?
I am hoping that by mid month Oct the government orders them back to work with arbitration. I am hoping that the government says that Canada Post has to work within it's budget and that they are not going to be bailed out by the tax payer. They need to cut about 20% of their workforce. Canada post workers are not going to like that one bit. It is going to get ugly.
What does your crystal ball say?
musicyouneed
OP1 year agoI was on a Facebook group and they don't think that any thing will happen until mid November or later. I know that union was meeting with the minister responsible tonight. They want the government postion reversed, like that is going to happen. Union members are losing about $1000 a week so over 6 weeks each member would lose $6,000 going into Christmas. I am not very happy with the union right now. Another Christmas ruined for sales. I will be extending my time away until the 18th.
On another note several competitors in my area are selling CD's like crazy (regular CD prices) with really cheap shipping or free by letter mail. They are not on time away. Do they know something I don't?
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@musicyouneed
Did they up their handling time? Possibly they are marking shipped and advising buyers shipment will happen when strike is resolved. Majority of buyers are understanding when they are kept in loop. I've upped my handling but see delivery by mid november. Who knows what math ebay is using?
musicyouneed
OP1 year agolotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@musicyouneed
I just used bulk edit to my listings and upped handling time. It "appeared" ebay automagically upped handling when strike was announced. I have heard other reports where a seller sold something and ebay was saying ship immediately so it could have been a timing thing. Personally will just downgrade handling once everything gets worked out.
According to an eBay post when strike was announced they stated they would be protecting sellers for lates. Who knows if that will only be for tracked services vs letter/misc methods?
lotzofuniquegoodies
·11 months agoeBay seller protections during cp strike.
In addition, we are taking steps to automatically protect your account from defects, including:
eBay will continue to monitor the situation and provide additional information and recommendations as events progress. You can monitor for updates on the eBay Community or directly on the Canada Post website.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThey might be using Chit Chats or Stallion.
A CD now costs $4.29 to ship via lettermail. Intelcom is $5-$6 via Stallion. Of course, rural areas aren't accessible so if they are doing this they might be cancel or offering to hold rural orders.
Or, they are taking sales and holding them for the customers until Canada Post comes back.
widgetc
·1 year agoAbove I expressed the idea that the government would not be in a rush to legislate postal workers back to work because they won’t want organized labour up in arms before spending cuts to federal departments. I thought they would wait for divisions in the union to develop. That seems to have started.
https://www.thestar.com/business/weve-shot-ourselves-in-the-foot-cracks-showing-in-canada-post-strike-as-workers-slam/article_6d9e9951-e137-4d5b-8690-de527dd78a88.html
chicweb
·1 year agoI personnally think the government and the Corp knows time will work in their favor. Unfortunately for us, sellers.
They might drag it out and force CUPW to accept the offer or stop the strike by themselve, because of general public opinion and money. Workers will more and more express their anger toward the union, I'm pretty sure.
The Corp has a winning hand if they just play the long game.
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·11 months agoProbably can't ship the orders yet... it's safer to be on time away. I keep thinking about the poster that had 50% in INRs on their orders during the last strike.
I've got a tracking sheet where I'm keeping track of everything that's not delivered and I sent out to coupons. I will follow up with a message in a few days to keep tabs on these buyers (might stop an INR, but I won't block anyone if they file one, since this was rather unexpected. It's not like they knew when they ordered there might be a strike). Some of the buyers are in the US, I don't expect a lot of forgiveness there.
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regs43
·11 months agoI upped my shipping to 30 day handling, that's staying as is for a long while (probably the New Year).
Im on Time Away accepting orders and will proceed with using lettermail and mail next week when I assume we can drop stuff off at some point, unless Canada Post locks them out (hopefully not)
john_koenig99
·1 year agoIn true CUPW fashion, CP's offer got REJECTED! So...Back to endless weeks of strike. Bleeding even more money and losing more business. Boy, it sure feels fun being hijacked by a bunch of....well, can't say it without getting censored.
PS. When Carney is back from DC, can he finally push parliament and pass the darn back to work legislation for those people?
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoOh I hope so. It's not characteristic of me to say harsh things about others, but I think the Union is greedy and selfish and I'm getting tired of them holding my business hostage. (Note, I said the "union", not speaking about specific postal workers).
And Shoppers Drug Mart is tired of the striking as well. They're working for minimum wage and don't get why there's such a fuss by people doing the same job complaining about their paycheck when they get what, double minimum wage or there abouts? I was a postmaster in 2004 and earned 10.35 an hour while the postmaster at the post office was doing more than double, and it was the same darned job! I got annoyed enough I quit. Wasn't getting paid enough to take all the abuse by customers who were mad at Canada Post about their mail deliveries, packages being carded, mail being delayed, strikes, etc, etc, etc.
Anyway at my job, in the past 10 years I"ve worked with three people who had advanced degrees (one person had a law degree, two others had masters degrees in the arts, not exactly something useful for a job at a financial firm), and these people were making under 40K a year, had big student loans, and told me all their friends from school were working at Starbucks and living with their parents because they couldn't afford a student loan and rent in the same paycheck.
One of my coworkers a recent university grad said she felt fortunate to find a real job in an office and not have to be making fast food for a living. People at my work don't get paid as much as posties do, but they appreciate having a nice place to work. So it annoys me that a union with a cushy deal is complaining about what they have. Considering you only need high school to deliver mail so they don't have student loans, I'd think that's a pretty good gig considering no education is required.
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reallynicestamps
·1 year agoSo your response to being underpaid is to criticize the guy who is getting paid well for the same job instead of the guy who is underpaying you?
Okay.
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoThat wasn't the impression I was trying to give... I wanted to be paid more for doing the same job. I understood that the 7-Eleven would never pay as much as Canada Post for the postmaster job, I didn't think getting minimum wage was exactly fair.
On another note, not only did they not pay me fairly, they denied me breaks, I called the labour board to complain, they told me it's my job to enforce the labour laws as an employee at the store, and their (7-Eleven's) solution was to change me to part time 5 hours shifts so I wouldn't be entitled to have the half hour lunch break that they denied me on the 8 hour shift. I resolved the problem by asking my customers if they knew anyone was hiring and taking the first job to get me out of that store.
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widgetc
·1 year agoI too have had a quote to Czechia for a small package of stamps that was over $200.00. I actually mailed by Canada post a few days before the sudden strike. I don't know wether or not it left the country. I'm in Val Caron in the Greater Sudbury area and we certainly don't have the options that are avalable in the GTA area.
ricarmic
·1 year agoI have somewhere around 7 to 9 items "in transit" that probably are in Limbo. I do have 3 to the USA that are still in Canada.
Also have one for Hungary sitting in my "overdue" list now, buyer hasn't responded to any of my messages.
So lots of "wait and see" on the go.
It is pretty Ironic that for a variety of reasons my store was closed from May all the way until a week before the PO went out on strike.....
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoSounds like some bad luck. I'd say send the buyers a coupon and thank them for their patience (if you have a store with lots of stuff and a coupon makes sense). I have 10,000 items between the two stores, so odds are the buyer will find something they want to get at a discount).
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ricarmic
·1 year ago@sapphyres-designer-jewellery The good news is that all but one (and the Hungary unshipped yet) are repeat customers, some long time, so I think I should be fine in the end. I sent them all a note the day after the strike started to advise them and thank them in advance for their extra patience.
Other good news is that one of my non-online fronts is expanding so I'm using the "online down" time to get that built up.....
PS I only have a wee store of 5,000ish... 😉
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year ago5000 items is still a lot to keep track of. This account has 957 (the store's limit for the fee is 1000 but I'm going to upgrade that as soon as I have time to list a bunch more stuff), the main store on the dot com site has 9000 items... I had 11,000 but have had to remove many items that weren't selling to liquidate in other ways (like group lots), or return stuff to the brick and mortar store.
I sent a coupon to everyone I knew is still waiting for their item, if I wasn't sure I just left it, some of those guys don't leave feedback so if there's no complaining, I'm assuming the letter made it into the US before the strike started.
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sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoMy stuff mailed on Sept 21 seems to have gotten out of the country (if it was going to the US, I don't use CP for non US/Canada shipments very often). I had a couple of packages mailed Sept 23 and 24 that I don't think made it out.
I'm going to send out some coupons to customers who's stuff is missing in the mail (I made a tracking sheet so I could see what's shipped during the strike and how I sent it, so I can keep tabs on those shipments). I don't like using Intelcom because they like to throw packages at the front door and leave them there (even when the mailbox is attached to the side of the house), and I want to make sure if buyers are getting expensive silver coins from me they're received. I really like CP because stuff goes into a mailbox and is usually pretty secure.
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canadian_horse
·1 year agoI hope an agreement is reached before the end of October.
musicyouneed
OP1 year agoDo you think that the posties will get legislated back to work? If so, when a week, 2 weeks, November? If the posties were were wanting support from the public, they are not getting it from me and any of the people I know.
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoI'm hoping it happens by Thanksgiving (which is a week from now). I'm turning my Canada sales (and this eBay store) back on as soon as I hear it's actually going to happen.
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sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoAs an addendum we use Canada Post for all our communications and my hand really hurts from handwriting courier slips all day to get the important stuff out to customers. We mailed out a whole bunch of cheques the week before the strike that we now have to cancel (and my eyes hurt from doing this all day too), and issue new cheques which are being couriered out. We have more important things to worry about in my office than damage control from the CP strike.
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reallynicestamps
·1 year ago@sapphyres-designer-jewellery Can the business not do etransfers-- at least to Canadian suppliers?
I just did one for the gardener who usually gets a cheque
and another for the housecleaners who normally get a cc payment but my card got compromised and the new one is in the mail.
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoWe can eTransfer to the customer (if it's like a weekly benefit) and we do that already. Generally cheques are sent out because the person receiving the money is not computer literate, or doesn't know about online banking or email or what not. We have lots of very old customers receiving benefits and some of them don't use a computer.
For our lawyers, medical providers, etc, we don't do eTransfer because we want to make sure it pays the right invoice and a clinic could potentially invoice us dozens of times on various customers. We have been sending our cheques out by courier since the start of the strike, but unless someone contacts us about the cheques that are stuck in the mail, we won't know if it's received or not (unless it's cashed), so we're not doing anything about those until the recipient reaches out.
At least with the last strike we saw it coming and sent out extra money to customers for upcoming benefits (we were prepared for the strike to go on for a month to 6 weeks).
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flipistics
·1 year agoI just don't understand what the union thought was going to happen. It seems their entire strategy was to bank on the government feeling they were too important to let this drag on (especially with everything else going on) and would just give in to whatever they wanted. They played chicken with a semi while riding a unicycle.
I feel like the government's next move will be to declare them an essential service and send this whole mess to arbitration based on the new mandate.
femmefan1946
·1 year agoFrom my viewpoint as a user of the postal system, I fear the loss of Canada Post.
One reason is that I have a shipment ready to go to Czechia which would cost me under $30 with Canada Post but over $200 with UPS.
The cost -efficiency of private carriers is just not there.
It's would be like trading our medicare system for the American wormbucket.
recped
·1 year agoIt's "not there" when you use one of the most expensive services instead of the many alternative service you could choose that would range from less than Canada Post to sliightly more than Canada Post.
I can ship your theoretical $30 Canada Post shipment to Czechia for $20 (or less) not the ridiculous $200 UPS charge that you cherry picked to "prove" your assertion.
marnotom!
·1 year agoBecause you have more options in the GTA than someone on Vancouver Island.
By the way, that shipment to Czechia isn’t theoretical, by the sounds of things.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year agoI did a comparison recently for Calgary to E. Ont...1 kg package. Approx 20.00 by CP. 85.00 by puro counter rate. As for shipping internationally with UPS or Fedex which should give us discounted rates (ebay Labels) for Intl shipments, it is currently giving us Bo Diddley for alternate options. Makes it extremely difficult.....As per eBay's "implied suggestions" to ship with an alternate method when that is going on. This has been pointed out to eBay but falls on deaf ears...similar to that inaccurate banner US buyers see regarding tariffs.
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoCanada Post is worth over 10 billion to the economy every year.
I will lose at least $3,000 each year if Canada Post is dissolved and sold off and I have to use alternative delivery companies.
Thousands of other businesses will lose too. It will be a disaster.
darak10
·1 year agoits all conjecture at this point, but right now with the 1 billion dollars lost last year during the strike, I think this is going to provide companies more incentive to get into the game to stand in the gap so to speak. A tremendous amount of money is being left on the table here and these guys (employer and union) just cant get their **** together. I see Chit Chats already has something on the table with this trexity service, and they apparently are already operating in the Edmonton area, a market they gave up on a couple years ago when they closed their two locations. Its only going to snowball from here, more and more companies are going to hit the wall and say "**** these guys, I'm calling (insert name of replacement service)".
And so the downfall and perhaps death of CPC has already begun. The morons who call themselves leaders of that organization couldnt run a Wendy's drive thru to profitability, and the union dont see that they are now being openly undermined by the govt and thereby their very livelihoods are at stake. With the most recent offer removing the guarantee of job security for life and outlining a clear plan for layoffs / attrition / buyouts in black and white, CUPW leadership appear stuck in the far end of the sunk cost fallacy and are so far down the path of doubling down to supposedly "protect" their members their response is harming everybody, including us. Its just a colossally stupid game of chicken right now, and all of us here are being harmed significantly by it, but its one where the outcome is rigged now for the employer to win, the union dont have a leg to stand on. Carney put the last nail in their coffin last week when he rubber stamped the leaderships end run around collective bargaining. So in a very real sense, as yet fully unrealized at this moment, the writing is on the wall about the future of the corporation. The union now have exactly zero bargaining position, and the strike response at this point is like a tantruming child holding their breath trying to get their parent to give in. They have been backed into a corner from which there is no escape. Their only choice is to do a Chief Joseph, say 'I will fight no more forever' in order to prevent further damage to their employees and retreat into as protective stance as possible in order to protect what they still have that can potentially be taken away.
Future academics will write about Carney's declaration last week as the death knell of CUPW. What he did was a big deal. Many people cant or wont see it due to their political beliefs but there is a war on unions right now and governments are taking side with industry to the everlasting detriment of worker rights. Its highly likely we are heading back into a work environment akin to that of the early 20th century where workers have absolutely no rights and corporations have the right to dictate everything. Ergo the three current union battles here in Alberta, teachers are striking Monday, university professors are ready to go, and a segment of health care workers (physiotherapists and others) look like they will be walking as well. The AB govt's intentions regarding teachers are clear; they would rather pay parents of children under 12 $30 a day (approximately 480,000 children under 12 in the province, to the tune of around 14 million dollars A DAY) than negotiate a fair deal with Alberta teachers. That just says it all about their intentions, they are armouring up and waiting to win a siege war of attrition. Smith is both profoundly dumb yet deviously intelligent so here we are, the economic engine of the country (sorry Ontario, Canada is a glorified petro state, an economic one trick pony) run by a bunch of backwards, out of touch and uneducated hillbillies who while profoundly convinced of their own 'rightness' are in fact so clueless they couldnt lead their way out of a wet paper bag if someone gave them a roadmap. So hurray for us, the lesson for the rest of the country is simple: dont come here unless you want to experience this nonsense, and dont do or allow what is going on here in your province. As a former British Columbian who now regrets ever coming here, I completely understand why my spiritual brethren there not just distrust but look down their nose at Alberta - they should!
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoIf Canada Post management offers the Posties pay increases that keep pace with real inflation - 5% - then this strike would end right away.
The police get pay increases that keep pace with real inflation, as do firefighters and university professors.
But for some reason, the posties get shafted by comparison and their contract offers make them poorer over time.
In my opinion, a Postie is just as valuable to the country and community as a police officer, fire fighter, university professor and similar.
When I owned a physical retail store many years ago, the Posties came everyday and helped deliver important mail I needed to run my business.
If Canada Post is dissolved, mail and package delivery will get way more expensive.
The solution is simple:
1) Hire an independent accounting firm to determine true rate of inflation
2) Offer the posties a pay increase that matches that true rate of inflation
3) Problem solved - posties would agree and return to work
john_koenig99
·1 year agoI'm not saying thet they don't provide a valuable service, but...your comparisson is out of whack, IMO. There are alternative service providers for the low skill job that posties do. For the other professions you mentioned? Not so much. Apples and Oranges.
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoPolice officers in Ontario need the same education as a Postie - both of them require high school or equivalent.
Decades ago, the police required high school, then they changed to a university requirement, but now they have changed back to highschool, not university. Postie is the same.
Postal workers bring down the cost of delivering packages and play a crucial role in the economy. I think they are more important than the police, but that's just my opinion.
I think they should at least get the same increases in salary as the police do. It's fine to pay the police twice as much as a Postie, but if the police get 3 - 6% increases each year, I think Posties should also get 3 - 6% increases each year. They can still earn different salaries, but the increases should be the same.
As it stands now, the police receive much better pay increases than posties and they already earn much more than posties, so the gap keeps getting larger, which means posties get poorer while the police get wealthier.
john_koenig99
·1 year agoWell, yes, you need at least a high school diplome or equivalent, to apply for most jobs.
From OPP website:
"A career in policing begins with training at the Ontario Police College in Aylmer, Ontario. OPP recruits receive additional training through the Provincial Police Academy, located at OPP General Headquarters in Orillia."
Could you please point out where one can register to the Postie Academy?
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoPolice officers already make twice as much as a postie when you consider their pay and benefits, as well as their pensions. So, the fact that they must attend a training academy for 6 months doesn't warrant giving them double the pay versus a postie. A mechanic is required to take WAY MORE training than a police officer throughout their careers, yet officers can easily make more than mechanics.
As for police work being dangerous, construction work is actually more dangeorus than police work, but the police routinely make more money than construction workers.
The posties have to live in the same community and afford the same costs as the police do, so to pay posties half the compensation is not advisable.
Posties are offered pay increases that don't match inflation, while the police often get pay increases that match or beat inflation. This is unsustainable.
To pay a police officer $100,000 plus and give them 6% pay raises, while paying a postie $50,000 and giving them 3% pay raises, is contributing to the strike action that we currently see at Canada Post. No community can be sustained on such a disparity over contributions vs incomes. If half the community is struggling while the other half is living well, there will be turmoil.
visual-sound
·1 year agoYeah but Posties don't have to worry about getting shot while doing their jobs unless they are Americans.
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoNo but they do have to worry about rabies from loose dogs... not everyone vaccinates their dog.
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reallynicestamps
·1 year ago@visual-sound
When I worked for Ottawa Home Care the nurses were looking for pay equity with-- police detectives.
Because they were nearly twice as likely to be injured on the job and four times as likely to be attacked.
They also needed a university degree rather than Grade 12.
When I worked for the RCMP, most of the problems our medical section handled were hearing (followed by mental health).
chicweb
·1 year agoPLEASE, do not compare police work with postal workers.... That's way way way different and completely unrealistic to even try to compare.
Police work is dangerous, yes. And they also must deal with very difficult situations that I would never even consider doing myself. Drunk people, violence, very difficult family situations, criminality. Must be psychologically and emotionnaly draining. It's not just giving speed tickets.
Delivering mail and having the security of the general public in their hands is not the same.
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoIn 2022, the fatal injury rate for construction and extraction occupations was 13.0 deaths per 100,000 full-time equivalent (FTE) workers, compared to 10.2 per 100,000 for protective service occupations (which includes police officers).
For electricians, the fatality rate is 16.6 per 100,000.
I totally understand why people think being a police officer is dangerous, but statistically there are many jobs that are more dangerous.
My overall point is that it is unsustainable to pay police officers 2 or 3 times more than a postal worker and expect the postal worker to afford to live in the same community as the officers and not to go on strike over cost-of-living issues.
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoI did another search to get more statistics. Here are stats from 2023 in the USA from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
reallynicestamps
·1 year agoI wasn't comparing detectives with posties.
I was comparing them to NURSES. Specifically home care nurses who work alone.
Nursing is a dangerous profession.
byto253
·1 year agoIf it was just economic and CP could go ahead with the restructing of delivery and services it wants to do without the union worrying about it I think this would be over. But it is about more than just pay increase.
The union wants to keep a system with letter carriers can zoom around their route to finish it in half a day then head home, CP wants to change the old 1980's model. CP is not off the hook for blame here, they have not exactly been stellar managers for a long time.
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoThe strike would end tomorrow if Canada Post management offered Posties pay increases that matched the true rate of inflation - 5%.
The government can't do that though, because it would force them to give every other government worker and every pensioner and every social security recipient the same 5% inflation adjustment every year, plus all the government's borrowing costs would rise higher than 5%, which would be a massive problem on it's own.
This problem is unsolvable. The posties pay increases are below inflation and the government can't afford to give them an increase that would match inflation, so the problem will never be solved.
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoI work in the private sector and I get 3%. I understand that makes me more poor as we move forward in time because my raises don't keep up with inflation and what people in my company are doing is changing jobs and changing companies to get ahead and make more money.
My company rewards people who are loyal and stay with bonuses (as much as 10% of annual salary), extra vacation, personal needs days, flexible work hours and work from home opportunities, benefits (like medical, dental and prescription drugs), and short term disability (full pay for up to 4 weeks if off work for illness or surgery), they also use sick days to deal with performance and don't limit us to any number in the year. Probably this year alone I've taken 20 sick days (but don't be judgy about me taking that much time off of work, I had gallstones, surgery and a pulmonary embolsim, plus I caught some weird respiratory virus while travelling in August). I got my full pay for all the time I missed due to illness, most companies are not that generous.
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easoss
·1 year agoMy take is the dispute has become far too personal between the two sides. Labor negotiations are best achieved by low key professionalism by all parties. The corporation says the sky is falling, the union knee jerk reacts and like the hamster in the wheel it never goes anywhere. And the losers are the workers and of course the general public. Until the decorum improves this isn't going to be solved.
raanana
·1 year agoI'm self-employed,no rises,no benefits,no vacation,no sick days,nobody conribute to my pension.
There are also many who makes way less,than CUPW and have no benefits and no option to strike.
Postal workes not making enough for living,agree,but millions of Canadians have even less.
rdemaree
·1 year agonailed it! My entire adult life I have managed on 35K or less. Even 20K or less. Now that im self employed full time since 2020 its even more rocky and nobody coming to save me amidst trump turmoil, inflation, Canada Post strikes etc. Just keep on trucking
I think its unpatriotic what the postal union is doing right now in the middle of a trade war this close to the holidays. Me and many others like me will never have their salary/ benefits and rely on the post office for business and theyre kicking sand in small business faces from my point of view.
Luckily I have chitchats for USA but id still like to use canada post for Canada and international customers
marnotom!
·1 year agoWhat I think is more unpatriotic is faciliating a "race to the bottom," where workers are replaced by robots or by gig workers who don't know any better and get paid less and receive no benefits. Remember, this strike is actually a continuation of the one from last year that got suspended, and that strike started when the Trump Tariffs hadn't really kicked in. I think a more patriotic sentiment is working to ensure that everybody gets lifted up, rather than pushed to the curb. I'm impressed that you've been able to make a go of it with the earnings that you have, but after taking off 20% for various deductions, $35K a year doesn't go very far in 2025 if you're a single parent trying to make rent, buy food and sundries, and pay the various expenses associated with owning a car (often a necessity in smaller centres where public transit isn't great), amongst other things.
Public service pay tends to have an impact on how much private sector employers are willing to pay their workers, and a fairly paid public service also means more money for businesses who have those workers as customers.
rdemaree
·1 year agoIt’s just such a shame that people who are basically making the avg Canadian salary + benefits on top of that are holding the country hostage during a trade war. I feel especially bad for small businesses who don’t have access to things like chitchats or stallion.
marnotom!
·1 year agoAs @byto253 pointed out a few posts back, it's not that cut and dried. There's more that's being negotiated here than wage increases and settling the wage issue isn't likely going to get anybody back to work while everything else is being negotiated.
Also, the union isn't negotiating with the government; it's negotiating with Canada Post Corporation. However, the Corporation does seem to be relying more and more on the government to get its share of the mess cleaned up. Still, I don't think whatever gets negotiated with CUPW necessarily sets a precidence for negotiations with other unions in the public sector.
easoss
·1 year agoMy cousin is a letter carrier. She told me walking the picket line pays $59 for the day. That's not nearly enough to pay bills, mortgages etc. I wonder how long it'll take before the workers get fidgety about things. You know a union has an underlying problem when they won't allow the members a vote on the offer Canada Post made. And they will never recover the money they've already lost.
marnotom!
·1 year agoI think that there’s consultation with representatives at the local level (i.e. union local presidents or bargaining reps) when the union examines an offer from the employer and decides if it’s worth voting on.
femmefan1946
·1 year agoAverage Canada Post Manager yearly pay in Canada is approximately $102,633, which is 21% above the national average.
I can't believe I'm defending management but compare apples and apples.
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lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@femmefan1946
Believe it said in one of the findings that accurate numbers are challenging to hone in on. As a side any bonuses can substantially increase those totals so that throws the base salary out the window when comparing. Then you can throw in the tax loopholes they magically qualify for. Something anyone on the bottom end of the ladder does not qualify for. I can't even remember if I ever qualified for a loophole during my working years.
femmefan1946
·1 year agohttps://www.facebook.com/reel/627301079762469
Commentary on union demands
inu-liger
·1 year agosapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoI think they should be made an essential service.
During the last strike there was a family on the news that lived in Nunavut that relied on Canada Post to deliver their daughter's medication. It was a big crisis for them to not be able to get the mail.
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lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year agoIn total agreement. Reliable affordable letter and parcel service should be a right vs a priviledge. That's how it was once considered. If they wanted to cut some costs, can the over paid executives. Unfortunately those folks come with buy out clauses out the ying yang.
Canada Post is a federal Crown corporation that functions as both a business and an essential public service. While it operates with a business model to provide postal services and compete in the market, it is also legally mandated and widely considered to be an essential public service, especially for connecting rural, remote, and Indigenous communities across the country.
Average Canada Post Manager yearly pay in Canada is approximately $102,633, which is 21% above the national average.
Top management at Canada Post, such as the President and CEO, makes approximately $500,000 per year or more, while executives earn considerably more, with an average executive compensation of around $238,026 annually according to Comparably. However, compensation can vary significantly, as the highest-paid executive makes around $700,000 annually and the lowest makes about $50,000.
Yes, top management at Canada Post receive performance-based bonuses as part of their compensation packages. While Canada Post has not been transparent with the details, union reports and news articles from 2024 and 2025 indicate that executives and directors receive substantial bonuses tied to performance metrics, even during times of financial difficulty for the company, according to Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) reports https://www.cupw/en/canada-post-speaking-out-both-sides-its-mouth-0 and various news articles.
Average salaries for everyone else
https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salary/Canada-Post-Salaries-E8747.htm
marnotom!
·1 year agoJust a point of info: what the union is doing is continuing the job action it started last year. It's not a new strike. A new strike would require a vote from union members.
john_koenig99
·1 year agoInteresting article from the Globe&Mail about CP's current conundrum:
The Liberals push the envelope, finally, at Canada Post - The Globe and Mail
The part that I found quite worrisome is this:
"Canada Post has until the second week of November to present its strategic plan to the government."
Wait, what? So, am I reading this right? It will be more than 6 weeks before CP presents a new offer to CUPW? Or maybe I am mixing things up?
Because if that's the case, this would drag the strike well into the beginning of the end of the year selling season.
sapphyres-designer-jewellery
·1 year agoMaybe until November for the offer (because a good offer takes time), but perhaps they will be legislated back to work long before then.
It's October 1st today, one can only hope. We don't need another Christmas season like last year. By the time they sent them back to work, it was too late to sell Christmas presents, everyone had already done their shopping somewhere else.
C.
silverpinups
·1 year agoThe part that I found quite worrisome is this:
"Canada Post has until the second week of November to present its strategic plan to the government."
"Wait, what? So, am I reading this right? It will be more than 6 weeks before CP presents a new offer to CUPW? Or maybe I am mixing things up?
Because if that's the case, this would drag the strike well into the beginning of the end of the year selling season".
This is only for Canada Post's proposal to the government. This has nothing to do with offers made to the union or the postal strike in general.
widgetc
·1 year agoI think it will drag. I see no rush to legislate or order them back. The Air Canada workers defied an order and I think the Canada Post union will too. The government will worry that if they defy an order and the rest of the labour unions see it as an attack on labour it might spread to a more general action, or work disruptions would occur by deliberate slowndowns once back. Carney might prefer that they strike for a month or two and when union members hurt financially they will put pressure on their leaders or vote yes in new forced vote. Meanwhile the union wants time to get public support behind them from areas that will lose home delivery or local rural post offices.
I personally think home delivery has already been stopped at 75% of the country so it is inevitable everywhere and savings are said to be 400 million a year. Also 3 day a week delivery would be acceptable for letterr mail. I don’t see going to ground transport to save 20 million a year as the savings will be less because use will drop further and it is only about 50 cents per Canadian per year.
I also think that since other courier services cream off the easy and profitable areas in cities but do not service remote areas it would be only fair to hit them with a universal service tax of say 5% to subsidize universal delivery by Canada Post.
silverpinups
·1 year ago"I think it will drag. I see no rush to legislate or order them back. The Air Canada workers defied an order and I think the Canada Post union will too. The government will worry that if they defy an order and the rest of the labour unions see it as an attack on labour it might spread to a more general action, or work disruptions would occur by deliberate slowndowns once back".
The economy is in the **bleep**ter and I don't think Carney will let this strike continue past a few weeks. He has no election to worry about and small businesses lost over a billion dollars the last time CUPW striked. Plus businesses need to deal with US tariffs which is already cutting into their profit margins.
widgetc
·1 year agoActually it is difficult to say when Carney will have to worry about an election. His personal popularity is taking a bit of a hit and it is a minority government. His coming budget may well contain poison pills for the other parties. Also if his party polling slips in election voting intent an election could come sooner rather than later if other parties think they can make gains.
I think he might worry that if the union may refuse refuse to go back. In 1978 Parrot went to jail when CUPW refused to return to work and it damaged labour relations with the government and many other unions. Carney has cuts to government departments planned and he does not want labour up in arms before that even begins. I think Carney would rather let the strike drag until loss of pay hurts and divisions in the rank and file grow. Legislation right now would unite them.
Also I think this hurts small business much more than big business and I see him as big business orientated.
I could be wrong and I hope I am but that is my current thinking.
movie_galaxy
·1 year agoI would be absolutely thrilled with joy and amazement if every crown corporation did as much for Canadians as Canada Post does, and operated at a loss of only 1 Billion per year.
Canada Post loses money because they have to serve every household in Canada, no matter how far away. If someone lives at the northern tip of Vancouver Island, Canada Post is required to treat them much in the same way as they do a condo owner who lives in downtown toronto, even though the condo owner is much easier for Canada Post to serve.
If we allowed Canada Post to adjust their rates based upon delivery distant the way UPS and Fedex commonly do, then our postal service would be making Billions a year in profits, not losing money. Canada Post has to apply for price increases and they can only increase those prices by a moderate amount within a ridgid framework.
Many decades ago, it was Canada Post that allowed our remote communities and territorial sovereignty to be expanded and/or maintained. If Canada Post is dissolved, we will lose far away communities throughout Canada and run the risk of losing territory as a country. If no one lives in these remote places because they can't get deliveries or mail or communication, they will move and those remote places will be abandoned. Then, others - as in foreign countries - could possibly take over and claim our abandoned lands for themselves. If that were to happen, $1 Billion per year in losses will seem like pennies.
Anyways, I love Canada Post. Without them, I would have never been able to start my business. When I first thought about selling on Ebay, it was Canada Post that offered me the opportunity to send packages to every part of our country for less than $5. UPS and Fedex wanted 8 to 10 times more money for a relatively similar service. Without Canada Post, we will see thousands of small business close and thousands of small businesses that never start up in the first place, and those economic losses will far surpass any current loses that Canada Post is producing.
Notice all the sellers on Ebay that have shut their stores down due to the Canada Post strike. That is 100% proof that Canada Post is worth a ton of money to the Canadian economy. The government is so short-sighted to not reach a deal with Posties. Ironically, Posties are just asking for wage increases that keep pace with inflation. Inflation is 5% per year, the government reports it as 2% per year, and then each year Posties slip further and futher away from maintaining an affordable lifestyle. Most posties can't even buy a home nowadays because their incomes have rarely ever kept up with the real rate of inflation. Then, when they go on strike, people think they are selfish. It's really unfair to the Posties.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThe year is 2038...
widgetc
·1 year agoI predict a long strike. The government wants a major restructuring and subsequent stability in the work force so trust can be rebuilt with the users of the post office. They see the refusal of obeying back to work orders by Air Canada employees as a dangerous precedent and other unions are likely to lend support. I think this is a worry for the government.
The postal workers only voted 70% against accepting in the forced vote. So I suspect they will let the members lose pay for a couple of months and the union deplete its resources in a strike. Then an offer will be accepted and the old union leadership soon ousted. Once it is over restructuring will occur in a stable environment.
I hope I am wrong.