USMCA shipping for Canadian Manufactured Products
Summary: The discussion revolves around the challenges and intricacies of shipping Canadian manufactured products under the USMCA agreement. Various participants, including majestictrinityfoundation and others, engage in exchanges likely about logistics, compliance, and potential solutions or experiences related to this specific area. While detailed content of individual posts is not available, it is clear there is active participation from multiple individuals exploring this subject matter.
Working to stop the Zonos Spyware Requirement to send through Canada Post.
Here are the forms I designed to solve the problem, they are being reviewed by CBP/DHS.
Do not use this form it is a prototype and is very small for a small packet send, but know it exists and is being circulated, and once approved, we should NOT NEED A ZONOS interaction or spyware app put on our phones to send to the USA. This form was originally designed for CANADIAN MADE PRODUCTS being sent to the USA using Ebay.ca.
flipistics
·7 months ago@majestictrinityfoundation I think the problem you're likely to run into is that the USA doesn't appear to WANT to streamline the process and make it easier, and I'm betting several government departments are loving any dubious privacy protections. Right now, I think it's working exactly as they want it to.
majestictrinityfoundation
OP7 months agoThose are wise words. We are almost over the shock and awe of the first 11 months of change for the better, we as Ebay sellers are caught in the middle and need to at least put forward proposed solutions that everyone can agree on. Amazing time to be alive and kicking.
fh991586
·7 months agoExport to the USA via Canada Post must be submitted electronically, period.
This is a USA requirement, so Canada Post can't do anything about it, and I really don't understand why you are trying to revert this on your own! Sure, you can still use stamps to validate the shipping, but you need to file the custom data electronically, not with a printed form on a package. Such a package will be returned to sender without even an attempt to cross the border...
dinomitesales
·8 months agoSo once you have this form, what shipping company are you planning to use to get your items across the border? Because it can't be Canada Post.
majestictrinityfoundation
OP7 months agoSounds like you work for a small section at Canada Post.
Do not be so sure of your statement. Canada and the US are trading partners and the Canadian people have been swayed by mainstream media to be very negative for any possible common sense solutions to our high tech problems.
After talking to so many workers at the postal outlets around Vancouver, they seem understand the need for a workstation at the counter to type in the form (if it was needed to be typed) in the early days you would simply fill in the declaration and away it goes. So fast people forget the simple ways of the past and want to complicate it with apps and such.
Canada Post is required so serve it's customers and provide solutions in an ever changing environment. A simple pdf to be filled out by the sender or seller is not some impossible task. Please be postitive and consider your own solution to the USMCA shipping to the US from Canada instead of making predictive statements that steer the conversation onto a different road.
THIS FORM IS A VISULIZATION PROTOTYPE TO BECOME A POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
dinomitesales
·7 months agoWhat you're suggesting will likely never come to fruition. It's possible that a Zonos-free solution may be implemented in the future, but it won't be because of your actions. I would tell you that you're wasting your time, but I know you won't take anything I have to say seriously.
You think a company that lost more than one billion dollars this year is going to install a "workstation" at every post office to help facilitate customers that want to ship items to the States? When a solution already exists to do so? When the rules surrounding mailing things to the United States could change on a dime, and very well might be repealed in a little over three years when a new administration takes over?
It is not "the early days" anymore. Paper forms are obsolete. International shipments now require "Advanced Electronic Data" (or AED) which forwards the information to the destination customs office in advance of the mailing so they know what's entering the country immediately (and can approve/deny as needed). This can be done by the staff at the post office if you don't want to do any additional legwork, but unfortunately there are extra steps now to send things to one country on the planet because of the actions of their president, and for the time being Zonos is the solution. It's possible that Canada Post could integrate Zonos directly into their computer system (which they are probably actively working on) so there is no need for a separate app, but with everything going on with Canada Post right now I doubt it's really top of mind for them.
They did. They had a solution on Day One, unlike the vast majority of postal authorities worldwide that simply stopped shipping to the United States. Sure, it was a bit clunky for a while, but Zonos is pretty reliable and streamlined now.
majestictrinityfoundation
OP7 months agoIn reply, thanks for taking the time to be so detailed. You remind of when we started snowboarding back in the 1980's on the Hollyburn cross country track, and every skier would tell us we are just a "Fad" and "No one will allow it", "It won't be accepted", etc.) Please try to be positive and inventive to help create an alternative and competition to the "Zonos only game in town" way to get your item across to the USA.
We might need to agree to disagree at this point. The complaints made to the Canada Post customer care call centers do count, and those who decide to take actions like complaining about the issues with Zonos will help in solutions being implemented. It is not just these actions but the customers actions that will have a positive outcome.
Zonos-free solution is the main goal for the "Advanced Ruling" customs declaration form.
Regarding ONE WORKSTATION at the MAIN POST OFFICE they probably have thousands of old machines that would work just fine, the solution boils down to AVOIDING spyware being installed on a customer's phone. This is wrong and needs a fix. For ebay sellers they need to provide the form in snap ship that connects to Zonos on the back end to get a Zonos number for the post office counter. They can shield the data and protect privacy.
The other alternative is to have a "Store Phone on a Lanyard" it has the spyware on it and the customer can use it as "a random Canada Post customer". That way the privacy is protected and a desktop machine is not needed to be installed.
Will disagree with you regarding administration, because it is my opinion that the people of the world will help keep the common sense, war stopping, prosperity president, in office, for as long as possible. (Regardless of what the main stream media puts out). We have entered the golden age, and tariffs are a major part of it. This is opinion gleaned from watching rumble.com truth broadcasters nightly.
This issue should be top of mind and whatever solution is created can be sold or licensed to other countries who also want to protect the privacy of it's citizens. Data farms are real, an interesting old TV show called "Next" will give you a Hollywood version of what we are discussing. The data surveillance and erosion of what privacy we have left.
Last time checked, as a not for profit, Zonos would charge us $12 per month and $4.95 per transaction to ship a USMCA EXEMPT parcel to the USA; outside of the spyware app. (desktop version of Zonos) When contacted about a NPO exemption for the monthly fees and transaction fees, no reply. The dollars leave Canada as far as we know.
The NPO's have a higher standard for privacy protection than other organizations and that is the reason to keep pushing for an immediate solution. Opportunity exists to create a privacy protective alternative to Zonos as soon as possible, it should be automatically integrated into Ebay.ca's "EIS Canada to USA" service.
Consider this as a target: Open source solution with privacy integrated, no more than 25 cents per transaction; if it is not already free for privacy reasons. This problem needs a solid approved solution, that is low cost and privacy protective.
fh991586
·7 months agoYou still didn't expand on your spyware accusation.
No package can be sent internationally from an anonymous source. The sender must be identified and reachable anyway...
majestictrinityfoundation
OP7 months agoYou are correct, that is why the sender always writes their return address as well as the sending to address. The privacy would be the widget or re-rig to just flow through an approval code, Zonos would only see “Canada Post Station #BC1234” instead of the senders address on the box. If suspect, the CBP/DHS will inspect.
For Canadian manufacturers producing and shipping the same product over and over the system can do random spot checks to make sure no fentometh is being sent down south. Look at the bigger, picture and see why we are caught in the middle. Legit sellers just want to get stuff sold. If their products come from outside USMCA it is now tariff time. The USA will bring back most all manufacturing to North America eventually to become self sufficient long term.
dinomitesales
·7 months agoOh okay, so your solution involves inconveniencing everyone in Canada that doesn't live in geographic proximity to the "main" post office (whatever that means) in their city. Gotcha.
You keep equating Zonos with spyware without expanding on it. This appears to be the entire impetus for your endeavors - why exactly do you think Zonos is spyware? Is this like some conspiracy-theory related thing? You're actively using eBay which has a lot more information about you than Zonos does.
Oh. Okay then. This tells me all I need to know lol. Best of luck on your endeavors.
mrdutch1001
·7 months agoI think we all (or at least most of us) know that this topic/this prototype/this wannabe "solution" is dead in the water...
It's Saturday night ...party on...
cottagewoman
·8 months agomajestictrinityfoundation
OP7 months agoQUICK ANSWER: Seller will do the data entry on a provided workstation at the central post office in your area, or you can enter the data on your home computer.
LONG ANSWER: If the hand filled in paper sticker form can not be scanned by Canada Post or CBC/DHS on a conveyor belt, Then a work station will need to be provided at the post office for you to fill in the PDF and print. You can fill in the PDF and print at home or the print shop. The no power rule comes in to play. You can send a parcel with physical stamps without a label printed through Ebay or Canada Post. It is getting the proper customs form approved and passed through customs clearance; using the old tried and tested method of the green declaration sticker of olden days.
If you do not want to use a pen, then fill in the form on the Canada Post, or CBP/DHS website or Ebay widget. The sticker should make it through customs without an issue IF THE ITEM IS CANADIAN MADE. If the item is made in USA or MEXICO then a different form may be needed. This is my forecast of what to expect in the future, THIS IS PIONEERING A SOLUTION that includes EIS.
This form is a proposed easy solution, helping to bring in the new golden age of prosperity between Canada, USA, and Mexico and is not currently approved by CBP/DHS.
john_koenig99
·7 months agoInteresting...But, as you mentioned, the powers will likely never approve it. And there are working alternatives right now.
majestictrinityfoundation
OP7 months agoHopefully the powers WILL approve it for the public good and freedom of choice. An approved form CAN be Scanned on conveyor belt and if needed, the parcel inspected. We are fine tuning the low value shipment protocols between Canadian Manufacturers / Ebay sellers and the USA, using privacy protective measures. Consider it an invention by necessity. One less data farm is good for the people, and will reduce electricity consumption.
mrdutch1001
·7 months agoProposed "easy" solutions are not always practical nor economical...perhaps you are willing to invest your time and your monies for this project to become a reality??
majestictrinityfoundation
OP7 months agoWell said, already sent the form to CBP/DHS manager for review, also sent to Ebay.ca as shown here.
Not a coder anymore, what did you have in mind?
Desktop alternative to Zonos? Privacy protection widget for Zonos?
fh991586
·8 months agoWhat do you mean with spyware?