WELL WHAT IS EVERYBODY DOING ABOUT MONDAY'S STRIKE
Summary: En la discusión, varios participantes se muestran preocupados por un posible paro de trabajadores de Canada Post y discuten estrategias para mitigar los efectos de una posible huelga. Algunos esperan una resolución rápida para evitar interrumpir el envío de mercancías, mientras que otros han optado por cerrar sus tiendas temporalmente o buscan alternativas de transporte de paquetes, como UPS y FedEx, aunque se preocupan por los cargos adicionales. Otros participantes manifiestan su intención de seguir operando normalmente hasta que se confirme la paralización. También se ha señalado que las negociaciones continúan y no hay aviso inmediato de huelga, aunque hay un acuerdo de 72 horas para avisar antes de cualquier acción laboral. Se mencionó que las operaciones de envío durante el fin de semana largo podrían verse afectadas si se logra un acuerdo de huelga o cierre patronal.
what are your plans to get throught he strike -- i will close my store for a couple of days to see what happens - if the mail stops -- like they say - after that ,what carrier are you going to use ??? i need advice which is the best to replace can post till the strike is settled
valuestore
·1 year agoWe were using UPS for all but select items, but still we have about a dozen cp items stuck until the strike is resolved. I haven't decided what to do yet, reship the ones we can using other services. Can I bill CP for the losses?
femmefan1946
·1 year agoB ut we can on Snap Ship- at a $3 premium for the paperback I sold.
femmefan1946
·1 year agoAs of Nov 15, we cannot print out Canada Post shipping labels on eBay.
33nhl
·1 year agoIf walk out occurs come this Friday Nov 15 i will just end all my listings, no point selling when you cant ship, and then if it goes for 2 weeks then all will be complaining after that they want items for hoilidays and surely be a ton of mail stuck in process. Only way i would sell during strike be if package tracked thus if its rotaing strikes then with tracking buyer can track where it be in mail process, otherwise not woth the headache if buyer/s want refunds and items have been mailed, and meanwhile Ebay rep will give you lame options, as they only care for $$$$ fees, just like sales tax being collected from buyers on used items, that should not be charged sales tax on use personal items as is it written under the Canadian Sales Tax rule.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoPlease remain on topic as this thread pertains to Canada Post, not your ongoing rant about taxation...
recped
·1 year agoThat should be "egregiously inaccurate rant"!
hansatrade
·1 year agoInteresting.... (from CP website)
fergua3
·1 year agothis is what causes CP to do a lockout, to force a resolution. Declining package volumes while still paying full wages just loses money faster.
brettjet38
·1 year agohttps://m.communications.canadapost-postescanada.ca/nl/jsp/m.jsp?c=%407CZuzPK7GuutONXyVW7EZQCvlr9WIM...
Canada Post intends to continue operating as strike notices received from CUPW
Canada Post has received strike notices from the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), for both Urban and RSMC (Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers) bargaining units. The notices indicate that CUPW will be in a legal position to begin strike activity on November 15, at 12:01 am ET.
We know you need certainty at this critical time of year and understand the implications for your business. We value the trust you place in us to deliver and we are committed to providing you with timely updates and the details you need to make informed decisions.
Company provides notice to adjust operations while continuing to deliver
Canada Post has notified the union and CUPW-represented employees that unless new agreements are reached, the current collective agreements will no longer apply as of Friday.
The Corporation will then be in a position, using the means provided in the Canada Labour Code, to adjust operations based on its operational realities and business needs. A labour disruption would affect the millions of Canadians and businesses who rely on the postal service. It is critical that both parties focus their energies on resolving issues to reach negotiated agreements.
Working to minimize service delays
In the event CUPW initiates rotating strike activity, Canada Post intends to continue delivering for Canadians and Canadian businesses while working to reach agreements. The Corporation will work to minimize service disruptions, but customers may experience delays.
Mail and parcels flow through Canada Post’s highly integrated national network each day to get from sender to receiver. Shutting down facilities or regions with rotating strikes can cause immediate and prolonged ripple effects throughout the network.
Evolving to better meet your needs
To secure the future of the business and better serve our customers, the Corporation needs a more flexible and affordable delivery model that allows it to offer seven-day-a-week parcel delivery, with more competitive pricing and other important service improvements that meet the evolving needs of the market.
Stay up to date
We’ll notify you if there is a labour disruption of any kind, and keep you updated as the situation develops. We’ll post regular updates at canadapost.ca/negotiations.
zee-chan-jpn-books
·1 year agoThe Spain parcel I dropped off after mail cut off on Friday evening (cut off was 4pm) still managed to make it onto a flight today! 😀
brettjet38
·1 year agoNothing, and have done nothing, and will continue to do nothing, as nothing will happen, other than the packages continuing to be delivered...
needsmorerobots
·1 year agoI shipped out a package November 4th to the United Kingdom. It cleared Canada and landed in the UK on the buyer's doorstep November 8th.
I plan to keep selling as normal, until a full strike hits.
I'm sure there are alternative carriers I could use, but the backlog and wait time for my customers caused by the strike would not be welcome.
I know how ticked off I was when I ordered Christmas gifts at the start of November and they either didn't arrive in time or went missing.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThis is a long weekend for Canada Post. So if you're on the fence about Canada Post vs an alternate carrier, maybe wait until Tuesday to print any labels, just to see if there is any announcement about a strike.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoThis is a long weekend for many folks beyond Canada Post itself and although I don't anticipate any sales over the next 3 days from either of my 2 selling sites, but should it happen... I will ship out on Tuesday whether or not there is any announcement by CP....
My most recent shipment to the USA was in Mississauga and being "forwarded to destination country" within 24 hours after leaving Regina...
stringers_books_and_collectibles
·1 year agoHeads up: Monday is a holiday for Canada Post. So if you are planning to use them tomorrow, be aware that a strike or lockout provides for a 72 hour notice. So, a parcel sent out Friday could be stuck in the mail for a while if something happens tomorrow (72 hours would be Saturday, Sunday and Monday - 72 hours notice is continuous and not 3 business days).
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoNo worries for myself yet as I will not jump on the panic bandwagon...
whenever, whatever happens, I will do what I need to do for the circumstance...
In the meantime, 2 shipments dropped off at postal outlet today>one for western Canada and one to the USA..
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year agoDropped off 2 at 1:00 PM mountain time. Both USA. Bin appeared to be mostly Amazon returns and was more full than normal. They pick up in the am also.
regs43
·1 year agoI don't look at tracking on anything I send out, I ship and forget about it.
But i have noticed since Late September an uptick in people messaging me about their lettermail not arriving yet etc.
One person in Alberta I mailed something around August 20th took 6 weeks to arrive
A regular whos in Ontario (same as me) has had Multiple of my bubble mailers to him have taken 3 weeks to arrive, usually my stuff gets to him about 2-3 days (mailed betten October 5-12th)
A person in BC informed me that soemthing took 4 weeks to arrive the other day. I have another one who informed me they havent recieved it yet, so waiting to see what happens with that one.
Luckily no cases yet, people have messaged. My general rule though if you open a case on lettermail your blocked from buying from me again as I have no way to know if your lying and would rather not deal with you again either way lol
I extended my handling time to 5 days from 2, about a week ago.I may up that to 10days honestly as we enter Christmas Rush (it doesnt seem to be affecting my salves volume the longer handling time as I have 22 orders today which is about 50% more then usual lol)
I have a good mix or return customers and new ones and will continue to play Russian Roulette in Canada for now lol.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoI normally don't look at tracking either unless it is an excessively expensive package like $1000. The past two weeks, I have been keeping an eye on my packages because I have been using different carriers that I have not used before (UPS, Stallion) and I want to know how well they perform. While checking my packages, I happened to notice the lack of Canada Post scans for the handful of packages that went Canada Post and were deposited without a scan.
I agree that looking at tracking is not worth it. Especially if you do a reasonably high volume. Your time is worth something, and the buyers have the tracking information. They can track it and reach out to you if there is an issue.
In terms of expensive packages like my $1000 example, it is good to keep an eye on them because if a buyer does open an INR, it usually doesn't give you enough time for a missing mail report to resolve itself, and eBay giving you an extension is never guaranteed. It's better to pre-emptively notice if USPS (or another carrier) has lost the package, so that you can intervene. You don't even have to message the buyer to clue them into there being a problem that they didn't know about, you can simply open a missing mail report between you and USPS, and if it has been stuck at a facility they will find it and get it back on route. Granted, I have never had to do that (knock on wood).
Doing that for every single package would be a huge waste of time.
dinomitesales
·1 year agoI have had zero issues or slowdowns with mailing or scans so far (knock on wood) but I always bring my parcels to the post office to get an acceptance scan.
CUPW's latest announcement is about them holding solidarity rallies across the country. So they are unlikely to announce a strike until those are over. There's also a federal holiday coming up on Monday, and the workers won't get paid for it if they don't work on Tuesday, so I would put Wednesday as the earliest possible strike date, but who knows.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThe packages aren't slowed down, they simply don't seem to be getting scanned at my local processing depot, but otherwise are moving normally.
It is a small enough sample size that it could be a coincidence. But I figured it was worth sharing in case any other sellers (or their customers) encounter similar issues and are worried that their package is stalled, which it isn't.
teenytrinkets
·1 year agoI've put myself on Time Away until this is resolved. It's not worth the headache.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoSomething of note if you are still using Canada Post for tracked shipping.
For packages that I shipped last week, almost none of them were scanned at my local processing facility. I deposit almost all my packages in a red street mailbox. 99 percent of the time, they receive a processing scan that same night.
Every once in a while, a package will not get scanned at the local sorting facility and will instead receive a scan a few days later when it hits the destination sort facility. This is very uncommon, but does happen.
While it might be a coincidence, the last few packages I sent have not received scans. This isn't a big deal, but it is something to keep an eye on since customers might be more antsy than usual about tracking if they are worried about a strike. If you send something to BC or AB, it may take almost a week before it receives a scan.
I have no doubt that they are moving through the system normally, but it's something to be aware of in case you have customers who worry about tracking, or wrongly assume you did not drop off their package quickly because the scanning did not activate for a week. It might only be my local sorting facility.
zee-chan-jpn-books
·1 year agoilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoEdit: delete.
dinomitesales
·1 year agoCanada Post's latest proposal included an 11.5% increase in wages over 4 years.
CUPWs latest counteroffer is asking for 22% over the next 4 years (and a compounded total of 23.79%). In addition to a bunch of other things.
They seem so far apart on this that I don't see how any agreement is going to be reached.
No 72 hour notice yet - interesting to see how this will play out. From what I've gathered the majority of letter carriers are not happy with the union and the way they've been handling all this.
Canada Post is telling post offices: business as usual. If you go to a post office and they are refusing parcels or letters they are actively going against the wishes of Canada Post and should be reported.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agorob902189
·1 year agoNot much we can do. I've decided to set my listings on Time Away until they resolve. Most of my listings are trading cards with lettermail stamps so I can't really do anything. It sucks but least it gives me some time to organize my collections.
hansatrade
·1 year agoEverything goes as expected. Posted yesterday, reached the US today.
byto253
·1 year agoAs you are only shipping to Canada, Sendle may be a good option for you to check out. They shipped with ICS courier and pickups are included in the price. They have also now provide drop-off locations, and have a lot of them in the Toronto area. The standard account has no cost, so no downside to signing up. I saw a reference on their site to Canpar so they may have expanded who they use now beyond ICS.
I have used them in the past and everything went well. I did have a hiccup with a missed scheduled pickup once and they were easy to reach, got it straightened out and gave me a year account upgrade. That was early when they were first getting started. They also had a promo for 10 free shipments, but that has not been repeated for me.
Here is the chart with their domestic shipping with the rates for a standard free account, and the "Premium" and "Pro" options with a monthly cost.
https://try.sendle.com/en-ca/pricing
Drop off locations
https://try.sendle.com/en-ca/drop-off-locations
They also ship to the US with pretty competive rates and with the standard account it is a flat rate for anywhere in the US. Not as good as some Tracked Packet but they do serve areas that do not have a Chitchats or Stallion.
https://try.sendle.com/en-ca/ship-to-the-united-states
If you are not in a larger center you can check if you have pickup in your postal code here :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TKH-rqXZLX5OhUh0g3xeCBJ7qv69I-ui5M-KcfLxcr8/edit?gid=663346802#gid=663346802
You can also have a parcel that is in the weight parameter but is bigger than allowed. The size that can be shipped is generous but worth double checking for very bulky items.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agohttps://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/MLI_PostOffice_F_web.pdf
Ian Lee has been the go to talking head on the news segments about the strike. They referred to a report he wrote on the future of Canada Post. I was able to track it down. I have yet to read it, but it might be of interest to people here.
Edit: This may not be the report they keep referring to since it is from 2015, but hey who doesn't like a 36 page PDF before bed.
zee-chan-jpn-books
·1 year agoSo this week is probably still safe unless they decide to announce a strike tomorrow.
stringers_books_and_collectibles
·1 year agoFrom the CUPW site:
Over the weekend, talks continued between CUPW and Canada Post, with negotiators meeting with the employer to address two key issues.
On Saturday, November 2, we focused on the short-term disability plan. Unfortunately, the Employer demonstrated little willingness to consider our demand to include 10 Medical Days and 7 Personal Days as part of our collective agreements. Canada Post refuses to move from its position of including 13 Personal Days, which does not represent an improvement from what we currently have.
On Sunday, November 3, we shifted our discussions to weekend delivery. Our priority in negotiating weekend delivery is to ensure that the weekend delivery does not compromise our regular full-time routes on weekdays. We are not satisfied that the Employer’s plan will protect our weekday work. The Employer’s main interest lies in achieving “flexibility” to deliver parcels at the lowest possible cost.
Although CUPW has not yet issued a strike notice to Canada Post or the Minister of Labour, if there is no real movement at the bargaining table, we won’t shy away from taking the next step.
Your Negotiators remain at the table working hard to negotiate collective agreements that address our concerns and help CPC grow the business. We all know the best collective agreements are those negotiated at the bargaining table.
The Negotiations Committee appreciates the tremendous amount of support from members. Your encouragement has not gone unnoticed.
In Solidarity,
factoryproducts
·1 year agoThank you for letting us know what has aspired. Canada post should be a essential service. Canada post should never strike. CUPW you are going to put Canada Post out of bussiness. Then what!!
you have no pity from me you are only thinking of yourself not not all the small Bussiness you are hurting.
you are foricing small bussiness to look for other optioins. In the long run this will affect CUPW with latoffs due to lose of bussiness.
this is not a reflction on postal workers this is my opinion only.
factoryproducts
·1 year agoWell if you do not have a secondary shipping company like Purolator, You might be out of luck. Most couiers will be so over loaded that they will not take on new customers. If there is a strike you can also locate a parcel shipping company that takes parcels across the boarder and send them via USPS this could add atleast 3 days to the customer. if you do this you should add atleast 2 extra days to your time to ship.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThere is nothing stopping anybody here from opening accounts today with Chit Chats or Stallion. You don't need a minimum weekly order quantity. My Stallion account has sat unused for two years up until last week, and my Chit Chats account has barely been used since eBay introduced the discounted Tracked Packet rates.
Additionally, Fedex and UPS are integrated directly on eBay.
It is a fair point that these services might experience disruptions or lowered standards if they are busier than normal but I don't think there is going to be anything stopping anybody who has an account from using them. If you're worried about that, you could pre-emptively open an account.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoshipping out an order today>a within Canada destination...
brettjet38
·1 year agoNOTHING, as nothing will happen without a 72 hour notice, nothing...
So much ado about nothing...
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/news-and-media/corporate-news/negotiations/2024-11-03-canada-post-continues-to-negotiate-with-cupw-as-cooling-off-period-ends
Negotiations updates
November 03, 2024
Posted in Negotiations updates
Canada Post continues to negotiate with CUPW as cooling-off period ends
As negotiations continue between Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), the 21-day cooling-off period ended November 2. This means either party could initiate a labour disruption after providing a minimum notice of 72 hours.
The parties remain at the table and have agreed not to provide a 72-hour notice as long as discussions are productive. Our goal throughout these negotiations with CUPW has always been to reach negotiated agreements, without any labour disruption.
Operations continue as usual
Our regular business operations continue. Going forward, it would be at least three days (minimum 72 hours) after a notice is received before any labour disruption could begin.
We remain committed to providing customers with updates as quickly as possible as negotiations evolve.
byto253
·1 year agoIt comes down to your shipping situation and risk assessment on whether you can get stung with 72 hours notice or not. Most shipping from larger cities have very little risk, other locations are higher risk.
I just took a look at a bunch of my recent shipments and most took 1 to 2 days to get to the US, with a few taking 3 days. Overall I should be ok shipping CP until a 72 hour notice is issued but I have decided to back off and use Time Away for a bit - there is a bit of uncertainty that I am choosing not to take on. That's just me though.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoA big thing to consider is what your shipping window is. If you use a generic economy shipping window, you are unlikely to have a problem unless a strike is prolonged and not rotating.
My experience so far with alt-carriers is that it's nearly impossible to use them exclusively without Canada Post, because they don't integrate directly with eBay, and most options that are on par with Expedited Lite cost wise do not ship to rural areas. 1/4 orders will be to areas not served, but that also has to do with the fact that the item I am selling (DVDs) appeals more to a market of rural buyers who are less likely to have great internet options to stream. Outside of PO boxes, eBay has no way to filter addresses that couriers like UniUni, Chit Chats Select, or FleetOptics won't deliver to, because it's not integrated into the platform.
What I think I will do at this point is fulfill Economy Shipping with Expedited Lite when it is an address that is likely to be delivered within 3 days. Anything above 200g to a rural area will have to go lettermail, and if it doesn't arrive by the delivery date shown to the customer, eat the refund. Then use Stallion/Chit Chats as needed. For parcels, I will continue to use UPS.
byto253
·1 year agoThat comes down to personal risk tolerance. I use generic shipping terms - standard or economy - to the US. But there is no way to know how nasty or long a strike will be. I would not expect to long a one with the Christmas season coming but am still going to take steps to avoid CP until I have certainty. I have that luxury as this is not a main gig for me.
And of course if a 72 hour notice is given, the CP work force will be motivated to ensure as few items get stuck in transit as possible 😎
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoYou are right, but the stuff I am sending out Canada Post is reasonably cheap, so my exposure to INRs is not going to be very high.
At this point, I think it is better for customers as well. If I get an order to Ontario, I can send it out Expedited Lite the same day and it will almost certainly arrive in 1-3 days. Stallion tacks on an extra two weeks to the entire process, because I can only drop off once per week, and there is a longer time frame to get it from Stallion to the courier (usually UniUni or FleetOptics).
The big advantage to Stallion would be that a $15-$20 parcel can be sent for $7 but that's not applicable with lettermail sized items.
morepleaseshop
·1 year agoCould you please share how to set it up or where to find that option? I saw sellers with this wording and looked into it, but all I have are the very specific carriers’ options. No generic terms even though I have a flat rate shipping to the US. TIA!
For now I increased my handling time and monitor closely for that 72-hour notice (my parcels usually get to the border withing 2 days); and use UPS inside Canada. Hope it's enough...
byto253
·1 year agoI use flat rate shipping, which provides the generic options. I took a look at the options and did not realize that if you use calculated shipping you do not get the generic options provided with flat rate shipping.
I list on .com so calculated is not an option.
morepleaseshop
·1 year agoOh, I see... Mystery solved, it's just not available to me. I list on dot ca and the shipping choices page looks very different, there are no generic shipping options and I thought maybe I missed them somehow.
What a pitty, I would have loved to not advertise any particular service and choose what works best when the item is purchased.
needsmorerobots
·1 year agoUpdate in my e-mail tonight (Sunday) from Canada Post:
The short of it is the cooling-off period ended November 2nd.
Both Canada Post and CUPW remain at the negotiating table. As long as discussions are productive, the parties have agreed not to provide a 72-hour notice.
zee-chan-jpn-books
·1 year agoThanks, yes if there's no current disruption, I'm quite confident that by dropping my stuff off tomorrow it'll get to Blaine by Tuesday. I have even seen some odd ones that made it pass the border the same evening if I drop then off right when the post office opens. I use post offices located inside SDM / LD / Ruxell, and I think most of these have at least 2 or 3 mail pick ups a day since it's Vancouver. I always check the tracking status since I sell little lol. Fastest I have seen was 5 days to a major US cities.
My listings do have long delivery estimates, as I have 2 weeks handling time set. Sometimes work keep me so busy that I can't package stuff for the whole week. I know it impacts my search rankings but I'd prefer to not get more late shipping defects. Most of the time I do ship within 3 days.
brettjet38
·1 year agoNothing, but mail my sales as usual, no big deal, nor will it be...
This is all just a calculated
game and the Gov will win, with the union's help, even if the posties think they have the upper hand, they will lose at the end of the day and in the long term.
darak10
·1 year agothe following was taken from the cupw website this am, take it for what its worth, it clarifies some info about process but leaves other issues (like whether a strike will happen on not) clear as mud.
As you are likely aware, the Union could have been in a legal strike position as of 12:01 am, November 3, but we cannot take strike action until we have issued a 72-hour strike notice to both the Employer and the Minister of Labour.
As of today, the Union remains at the table and has not issued a 72-hour notice, but this was done with agreement with Canada Post going forward. This means that a strike or lockout will not occur on November 3, 2024.
Our Conditions
The National Executive Board (NEB) decided to continue talks with the Employer, provided the following conditions are met:
We brought these conditions to Canada Post through the federal mediator. The Employer agreed to our terms for continuing toward a negotiated collective agreement.
Your Negotiators remain committed to reaching negotiated collective agreements that meet the needs of our members. Today’s major topic at the table is the Short-term Disability Plan, Personal Days and Medical/Sick Days.
While we have not given notice today, if talks breakdown it could happen at any time so pay attention to Union bulletins, visit cupw.ca and stay informed.
marnotom!
·1 year agoI think it's pretty clear from that statement by the union that job action will take place if talks break down. Talks are considered broken down if either the employer issues a lockout notice, the employer tries changing working conditions for CUPW employees, or the employer spins its wheels in negotiations.
In the case of a lockout notice, there's no point in the union trying to take job action of its own, however, save for perhaps a short-notice work to rule campaign which I don't believe is considered a "strike" that would require 72 hours notice.
zee-chan-jpn-books
·1 year agoI got a parcel going for the States... And since I'm in Vancouver, usually what I mail before the cut off of the day passes the border by the next day. Would it still be safe for me to drop off a parcel tomorrow, if technically speaking they need to give 72 hrs notice?
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoI would drop it off. I am going to do the same thing with a few Tracked Packet/Regional Expedited Lite orders.
The earliest a buyer can receive an INR refund is a few business days after the expected delivery date. If someone from you buys something from the USA today, it seems your listings gives them a latest delivery date of November 19th.
It doesn't sound like any strike is taking place yet, so the odds of it not reaching the US border and then not arriving by November 19th are pretty slim.
I am also guessing this is the $36 CAD item in your sold listings. So I wouldn't sweat it too much.
I have a few Tracked Packet/Expedited Lite type orders that I will drop off today or tomorrow because based on today's update it doesn't sound like anything is going to happen this week, and in an unlikely worst case scenario we're probably good until Thursday.
byto253
·1 year agoIf you are confident it will be in the US within 48 hours I would go for it. In my case it is 2-3 days so the 72 hours is a risky time frame.
msau4301
·1 year agoI thought they had to give 72 hours notice before striking. If they haven't said anything yet (as of Sat. Nov. 2nd evening) three days would put it past Monday anyways. Does the 72 hours not apply anymore? Just curious.
teenytrinkets
·1 year agoYou are correct. We still have full operation Monday and Tuesday as of today. They still have to give 72 hours notice to strike. Not sure what the delay is... they're obviously going to do it.
marnotom!
·1 year agoThe link I posted a few posts ago has an update from Friday which outlines the conditions Canada Post must follow to to avoid the union taking job action, and apparently Canada Post has so far agreed to those conditions.
In addition, Canada Post gave CUPW a 500 page proposal to work through this week, so that probably has some bearing on things.
needsmorerobots
·1 year agoMy view is they already gave ample notice to strike.
CUPW said if nothing is worked out over the weekend, they will strike starting Monday.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Saturday was the last day of negotiations?
Looks like I may be wrong. This is City News as of Saturday:
The cooling-off period for contract talks ends Saturday, meaning the union will have the legal right to strike starting Sunday. CUPW must provide 72 hours of advance notice if it decides to do so.
marnotom!
·1 year agoThe union voted largely in favour of taking job action. This is a mandate for job action, but is not notice that a strike will occur. The 72 hours notice has to been given for job action to actually transpire.
byto253
·1 year agoThere has not been a meaningful update today - still talking - so hope that no news is good news. As @marnotom! and others indicated the union has to give 72 hours notice to strike and with the mandate they can do it at any time.
For me, it is a risky time frame for items shipped to get caught up in processing and sit until the strike is over. I have a few to go that are going with Chitchats and listings are on Time Away until there is a definitive update on the status.
tarnvik
·1 year agoI too have been checking for updates but all is quiet. Considering cancelling the auctions that currently have bids as the complications are problematical. How would I answer a shipping question froma buyer? Would Ebay offer support?
Time away already done but this does not affect auction formats.
So many questions but very few definitve answers!
teenytrinkets
·1 year agorecped
·1 year ago@teenytrinkets
Purolater will be operating as normal (although they might not want new customers).
videotimeplus
·1 year agoJust thought i'd let you know what happened today and what it might mean for the strike. Went to mail a parcel at CP today and the woman there was turning people away saying to wait until Monday to see what happens. Not sure if this is just an employee jumping the gun or if this is a sign of whats coming, but turning people away before a strike is even announced seemed odd.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agosounds like an over cautious employee-UNTIL an actual factual job action announcement comes from Canada Post, it is still the customer's choice to put items into the mail system...
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoI don't think it means anything one way or another. They likely want to avoid the liability of customers sending packages and a lockout or strike occuring shortly after. By liability, I don't mean that they would be on the hook to refund them. I mean the liability of having to deal with customer service when customers come back upset. You have to keep in mind that regular people may not even realize Canada Post is possible going to be disrupted.
I have one "lettermail" type order outstanding and if there is no announcement Monday I'll ship it Expedited Lite since it should be delivered in less than 3 days. You can always throw stuff in the red mail boxes.
silverpinups
·1 year agoI talk to my mailman a few days ago and he said they will be doing rotating strikes if negotiations break down.
femmefan1946
·1 year agoIf the union walks out, revolving strikes make the most sense, since their members still get paid for the days they are at work.
Missing a day's pay here and there is doable for most workers. (There is such a thing as 'strike pay' paid by the union, which is a small percentage of the striking worker's normal rate.)
If the management strike, a complete shutdown makes the most sense,since the managers get paid in any case, the newspapers (especially the rightwing Sun and National Post cartel which run most papers now) will blame the workers, calling it a Strike instead of a Lockout, and the workers who are not getting paid will be anxious to get back to work.
marnotom!
·1 year agozee-chan-jpn-books
·1 year agoSales have been dead for me and it just so happens that I sold something TODAY... I won't make it to the post office today anyway so I'm gonna wait and see how it goes. My handling time is still 2 weeks (I was away on a trip in Sept and just changed my handling time instead of ending listings) so it says "Ship by Nov 18 at 11:59pm EST"... Hopefully it'd be all resolved before then. I'm not going to print my shipping label now lol.
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoI agree with people who say that it is very possible we are worrying about nothing, and there won't be a strike, or there will be a rotating strike.
With that said, every eBay seller has a different situation. If I was selling a handful of cheap lettermail orders a week, I wouldn't both and would just throw them in the mail and deal with refunds as needed because the time and cost of a handful of $10 refunds would be less than the cost of researching and implementing new shipping policies.
On the flipside, if someone is selling a handful of $100-$500 type items a day, putting them in via Canada Post this week would be a much worse risk/reward proposition. eBay put that disclaimer up about not using Canada Post for a reason. I assume they aren't going to cover sellers for INRs caused by a strike.
I do think there if there was ever time for a prolonged lockout, now is it. We live in a very different time from 2011 with all the alternate carriers and shipping services. Along with most people now buying almost everything from Amazon. This is going to be a political issue that barely affects a very large portion of the population, but drastically affects a smaller portion who live in rural or remote areas that are only served by Canada Post. It's not like 2011, where it affected almost everybody to a reasosnable degree.
Canada Post's business model is also extremely flawed and they are losing money hand over fist. I am not arguing for or against the proposition that a service like Canada Post needs to exist for the good of the public regardless of whether it is profitable. I am only pointing out that they have crossed a rubicon where the corporation might see "losing" this negotation as something they simply cannot afford to do, so they have nothing to lose by locking out the union.
So I can see it both ways, but if you go off what has happened historically a prolonged full strike or lockout is less likely.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@ilikehockeyjerseys
From a different perspective, how will eBay be treating Canadian sellers during whatever happens, when or if it starts happening? Are they just going to automatically believe sellers will start immediately using different shipping methods, in some cases just taking a loss or will they be supportive if or when there are delays? Like they are in the USA when there is any kind of weather situation there?
As others have said, using another method is not always an option for ALL sellers based on their location or what they sell.
-Lotz
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoI don't think eBay reasonably believes every seller is going to put their store on pause or switch to alternate carriers. They have a wide variety of different sellers ranging from your casual person who sells one item a month, to full fledged businesses that seller hundreds of items a month.
I don't think they are going to do much to cover people because they clearly communicated the risk of using Canada Post with their messages that sellers should consider using other carriers. They posted a disclaimer on the shipping page. They also did not commnicate any intended remedy if Canada Post does strike and a seller has outstanding shipments in the mail that result in INR cases.
My guess is that if a buyer opens an INR, they will most likely instruct you to refund them as normal and deal with the carrier to have the item returned to sender or instruct you to arrange for the buyer to repay you when the item arrives. This is the same approach they take with most mail issues when a buyer opens an INR.
It's not a fair situation because some eBayers (both sellers and buyers) will barely be affected, while others will not have a reasonable option to buy or sell during the strike.
Ultimately, I don't think any of the above will matter because I doubt this drags on but I was just pointing out in previous posts that there was some risk to sending expensive items via Canada Post this week. Because in the small chance service is disrupted for long enough to produce an INR case, you aren't guaranteed to be covered in any way. (The same as if your item is lost/delayed by Canada Post/USPS, you're going to have to still refund the INR by the deadline.)
If eBay has announced some sort of plan of action or remedy (such as extensions to refund) for INRs during a potential strike, then the above is moot.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@ilikehockeyjerseys In the not too recent past there used to be disclaimers that "it seemed" protected international sellers for customs delays. (Your item may be delayed by customs processing"). Remember it is eBay that highly suggests shipping using a tracked service for everything. Those disclaimers have been, in an announced fashion removed. Both directions. Also important to note eIS shipments have much longer windows compared to tracked USA with CP. Once a parcel is on its way there is very little a seller can do to change its actual delivery timeframe. Tracking should still be considered a parcels status...no matter what the status is. Unless it is actually lost.
Are sellers only off the hook when eBay randomly/whimsically decides they are? Be it customs, weather, forest fires, mechanical issues, miss sorts or strikes? (They announce many weather disruptions on dot com. Basically never on ca). Clarification/justification from eBay would be nice vs the current "just switch shipping methods". I have almost 2000 listings with a variety of shipping methods attached. I can't easily go in and start changing back and forth. Many other sellers in very similar situations.
This situation is going to be fluid....until it isn't. It needs flexibility. Not 1 size fits all.
morepleaseshop
·1 year agoThank you all, very helpful! Just as I expected, the mistery surcharges is the scariest one... I wonder how often it happens...
I'm trying to decide about one parcel right now. I have a flat rate CP to US as a default. and normally my parcels are below 2kg. But this happened to be 90g over, so I'd have to pay for the Expedited. UPS shows twice cheaper for it. I most likely would go with Expedited anyway, but with a possibility of it being stuck somewhere... started to look at other options.
The customer "chose" CP and doesn't know I might change it, is that a bad idea then?
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoCan you do anything to shave 90g from the package while still shipping it safely?
If you have a Chit Chats drop spot near you, they are a good option. For example, I shipped a 3KG package via USPS Priority Mail with Signature confirmation and 300 USD of Chit Chats insurance for $31. They also offer USPS Ground Advantage for a bit cheaper.
The only disadvantage is that they don't charge a flat rate like Canada Post does with Tracked Packet. So a 2KG 30x30x30 package might be $15-$20 to New York, but $30+ to a farther state because once they clear the package to the USA, the USPS shipping rates are based on the package being shipped from Niagara Falls.
morepleaseshop
·1 year agoI tried everything I could to reduce the weight before even coming here, nope, it has to be over 2kg.
And CP, UPS or Fedex are my only options. Possible strike is pushing me to research them, but even without that, UPS is cheaper for heavier items, so it would be nice to not be afraid of them. So far the things I hear or read about them are not encouraging. If they are so unpredictable, how do people rely on them on a regular basis?!
I ship with UPS withing Canada when it's cheaper and faster, with no issues so far (I did have surprises with Fedex, so, not using them if I can help it). Shipping cross border feels like a different beast all together...
nhl_automotive
·1 year agoUPS is reliable. I've shipped hundreds of packages using them and only got overcharged twice which I had reversed when I called eBay. FedEx on the other hand, don't get me started. I refuse to use them.
morepleaseshop
·1 year agoThank you very much!
That's what I hoped to see, someone with a lot of experience with a service in question sharing their statistics.
Feeling less anxious about the strike now too.
nhl_automotive
·1 year agoUPS is a great option if you're not shipping small items like DVDs, often cheaper than Cpost too. Over 2kg to the USA and UPS is the best option. The only thing to be aware of UPS and FedEx will likely jack their rates if Cpost goes on full strike. Something to keep an eye on.
morepleaseshop
·1 year agoCan someone please chime in on shipping cross border with UPS and Fedex? That info would be useful regardless of the strike, but even more so now. I stayed away from them because I was afraid of customers getting charged with customs and other fees that are not mentioned and being angry at me. Also, how good they are with delivering to the door? What about apartments and gated communities? I mean, how likely it is that they might require a a customer to come to UPS location for pick up and they don't have one near them?
I guess I'm asking, if I ship with UPS, what do I need to worry about?
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoYou have to be sure that you use calculated shipping because the shipping rates for UPS can vary wildly compared to Canada Post. They have a very high surcharge for some rural areas. For example, a package that costs $15 to most cities might cost $100 to a random rural area.
Buyers should not be charged brokerage fees if you print the label directly on eBay because eBay already collects the tax. Someone else might be able to confirm this.
As far as picking up a package, if you use a shipping calculator and set your shipping method to UPS standard, it will say in your listing that UPS is the carrier of choice. So a buyer knows what they are getting into. In general, UPS will leave a package at the door (usually with a photo) and make a reasonable attempt to deliver to a buzz number in an apartment.
You need to make sure you block PO Boxes in your shipping restrictions. It is included in the shipping policy page where you choose which countries you block. UPS cannot ship to PO Boxes. If you don't block them, eBay may let them checkout anyways.
My only concern is that I have read about sellers being charged ridiculous adjustment fees to their UPS and Fedex labels through eBay. Not $1 or $2 here or there like with Canada Post, but $100. It is difficult to gauge how common this is.
recped
·1 year agoState sales tax is irrelvant, US Customs does not collect sales tax or care about sales tax regardless of the value.
What matters is that the value is less than US$800, anything under that amount will not have any duty collected nor will it require a formal customs entry so in almost all cases UPS of FedEx will not charge any brokerage fees.
If you are shipping an order with a declared value exceeding US$800 via UPS/FedEx there will be brokerage charges, you can select Free Domicile to have those costs billed to the sender rather than the recipient (I have no idea how it works if UPS/FedEx is obtained via eBay, Free Domocile may not be an option).
Personally I would never use UPS or FedEx via eBay, if there is a problem (lost / damaged) or mystery billing surcharges UPS/FedEX will tell you that only eBay can make a claim while eBay will probably tell you to contact UPS/FedEx.
brettjet38
·1 year ago...so much ado, about nothing & I will do nothing as nothing will stop getting delivered.
needsmorerobots
·1 year agoUntil it happens where everything stops and no packages are moving, I won't do anything.
Once things stop moving, I'll close my store and keep adding to my listings until service resumes.
flipistics
·1 year agoI've put my stores on time away. I don't really have any other shipping options where I live (unless I'm willing to drive about 80km each way to drop packages off with UPS). In spite of living 2 mins off the Trans-Canada, shipping companies seem to believe it's too remote to schedule pickups 🙄.
I feel like things will probably happen fairly quickly. Canada Post isn't going to want this to drag out because they won't want to lose all of the holiday business. I suspect they'll be pretty quick to initiate a lockout to try to force a resolution before December. I could be wrong though.
I plan to use the time to get my books caught up and get a bunch of new listings done so when the strike is over, I can hopefully make up for some of the lost business.
lotzofuniquegoodies
·1 year ago@flipistics
In dropping off my 1 little package (USA Tracked) this morning and speaking to the clerk at my local SD, he passed on that majority of folks dropping off packages have switched to using premium services (paying through the nose) in hopes packages would have a better chance at arriving when required. He said at their depot there has been limited in the way of official details directed as to what to say to customers. For now it just fear/paranoia of the unknown.
-Lotz
videotimeplus
·1 year agoWhat would be helpful to sellers would be if CP outlined what sort of strike could be coming so that people wouldn't have to speculate and plan around uncertainties. 72 hours is not a lot of notice.
marnotom!
·1 year agoThat would certainly be a very Canadian approach to job action. 😁
Strikes and job action are first and foremost mechanisms to make matters as difficult as possible for the employer or management. Part of that involves the element of surprise or as close to a surprise as possible.
recped
·1 year agoCanada Post can't tell you what CUPW is planning, I doubt even CUPW know exactly what is going to happen until it happens.
The most recent offer from Canada Post was submitted to the union YESTERDAY, nobody knows what will happen until CUPW responds. Even if they reject the latest offer CUPW is the party that will decide what form of action they will take.
Here are the options.....
ilikehockeyjerseys
·1 year agoThere is a short window to alter things, but even for people who weren't following the Canada Post negotiations, eBay sent out a message about the strike last week and put a disclaimer above the shipping page basically saying don't use Canada Post because they might strike.
So there has been a lot of notice. That doesn't mean it's not a hassle. I don't blame any casual sellers for being caught off guard if they don't visit eBay everyday and had something sell. I get that I am in a bit of a bubble being someone who ships things on eBay daily.
femmefan1946
·1 year agoIf the workers go out, they will likely be using the disruptive 24 hour rotating strikes that have been reasonably successful in the past.
Shipments will slow but will not stop.
Traffic through Mississauga will be most effected, and that could be the center for walkouts.
If management goes on strike, they will lock out everyone and shipping will stop. They did that the last time.
mrdutch1001
·1 year agoI will cross that bridge when I need to=when I physically see( and not from panic reading material such as this thread or heresay), that mail is NOT going to move at all...then and only then will I address the need for action...
marnotom!
·1 year agohttps://globalnews.ca/video/10840597/cupw-on-possible-job-action-by-canada-post-workers/amp/
videotimeplus
·1 year agoits getting around the 72 hour window before Novermber 3rd too so if they make an announcement it will have to be quite soon.