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tea_past_times
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Well here I am this morning, basking is one of Ebay's glorious changes. A couple of weeks ago, someone thought it would be fun to bid on one of my items and then disappear. No email, no payment, no response to the nonpaying bidder notice.
After filing for and receiving the FVF back over the last 8 days, I went to leave feedback, and guess what... YUP I can only leave a positive. How did this make sense again? Sorry I can't warn any of you about this buyer. But you will probably recognize him when he bids and runs away from one of your auctions. Cheers Everyone!! The new Ebay has arrived!!
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"I can only leave a positive."

Try again.

Most sellers have no problem leaving negative feedback today.

Have you tried using .com or .ca ? .
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On CA, one can no longer leave negs or neutral. When I go to leave FB, the only choice is +.

The following message appears:

Sellers can no longer leave negative or neutral Feedback for buyers. Buyers should leave honest Feedback without the fear of receiving negative or neutral ratings. Read more

Also, the first time someone tries to leave FB, the screes goes blank and a big pop-up appears, text as below (formatting lost):

Important changes to Feedback

Buyers, you can no longer receive negative or neutral Feedback from sellers.

• You should leave honest and accurate Feedback without the fear of receiving negative or neutral ratings.

Don't show me this again
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tea_past_times
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Yup, that's what I saw.
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tea_past_times
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On the positive side, Ebay just NARU'D the jerk, seems I was his 12th nonpaying report in the last 12 months. At least he won't do it a 13th time. Good example of why a non paying bidder should always receive negative feedback and an unpaid item strike.
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I agree with you and I am not pleased with this new feedback policy. There's no way for sellers now to protect themselves against deadbeats & theives on Ebay. Well I guess I will slowly be selling less on Ebay and concentrate on a website.

Frederic
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jewelry_quest
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You have got to be kidding me! You can't leave a negative or neutral feedback for a deadbeat bidder and buyer. But if they don't pay they can go ahead and leave us a feedback. Now that's totally ridiculous if you ask me. We all know there are dishonest buyers out there I'm sure we have all dealt with them! Now this new feedback system is totally unfair to sellers. You think Ebay would protect their sellers better then this. After all we're the ones who pay them to put bread and butter on their tables. Not the buyers. Ebay has it's faults that it defiantely needs to iron out.
**Gloria**
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art-and-home
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There's a part of me that understands the new feedback concept... after all (until now at least) eBay was one of the only marketplaces that allowed sellers to leave feedback for buyers at all.

We're not (as retailers) supposed to be able to "rate" our customers.

It's simply a case of eBay moving away from the whole "trading partners" concept in which buyers and sellers had an equal stake in the success of a transaction, into the more common transactional marketplace (or retailer vs consumer relationship). The fact that many eBayers are not actually "retailers" doesn't seem to matter. The fact that this creates a "vs." relationship doesn't seem to matter either.

In general, positive feedback for buyers means nothing, as there is no rating system, so why bother with it. I find it odd that they went this way and even bothered to keep the buyer feedback system at all.

Add to that, the MAJOR downsides to this "New and Improved" feedback feature, which will all be ignored by eBay for many months and maybe - someday - might be addressed (but I'm not holding my breath) including...

- It means that my "automated blocking" rules are now useless, as the ability to block people with a -1 feedback score or lower was helpful to keep the bad buyers at bay. So, we're all going to end up with a bunch more non-paying bidders, which means more work filing and following up on the unpaid item reports, and difficulty getting or fees refunded.

eBay should automatically "Negative" a non-paying bidder for every strike they receive... so that sellers are at least aware of these strikes. Or, we should be able to set our automated blocking rules to block people who have received a certain number of non-paying bidder claims in their history (not just a 2 in the last 30 days).

eBay should also automate the non-paying bidder process, as they've now established a system that is going to be ripe for abuse by these kinds of buyers.

- The way feedback scores are generated now adds as much "weight" to a neutral as it does a negative, so everybody's scores are going to plummit (your score is now all postives divided by all feedback left, including positives, neautrals and negatives... giving neutrals as much impact on your overall score as a negative).

They might as well just get rid of the whole "Neutral" concept as the point of it - previously - was to comment without impacting the score.

- Even though buyers will be able to leave more negative an neutral feedbacks (warranted or not) as designed by eBay, I haven't seen a change to the PowerSellers qualification requirements, even though those levels are much harder to achieve than before.

- With the exception of newbies, who haven't had enough sales to generate a neutral or two, sales are going to drop, as it will take a while for buyers to become trained to the fact that what used to be a 99.9% feedback score is now a 98.7% feedback score (based on new calculations) or a 97.7% feedback score (based on ease to abuse feedback system).

In the real world, a 97.7% success rate is pretty darn good. But, we all know (when we're buying) that on eBay, expectations are higher and there's a cut-off point where we don't "trust" a seller outright anymore. It's going to take a few months for buyers to realize that that "cut off" needs to be dropped by a few percentage points.

In general, we are now paying more to sell on eBay and going to have to work harder to keep unreasonable customers happy in order to keep our scores up (Reasonable customers are not an issue, as most PowerSellers are pretty good at keeping their customer's happy).

Plus, they have removed the ability to have feedback mediated and removed through Square Trade... even Amazon allows for feedback removal.

eBay used to be a unique marketplace because of the way it treated buyers and sellers as "trading partners." That uniqueness has slowly been chipped away at over the past couple of years, and now it's pretty much gone for good.

Oh well, six months or so from now, I probably won't bother selling on eBay anymore anyway.... the way it's going, I might as well post my stuff on Craig's List instead. It's way easier.
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terrym5512
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With all the changes everyone should not forget that "starting in July 2008, the PowerSeller Program will calculate eligibility based on the DSRs for the previous 12 months. In order to become a PowerSeller or remain in the PowerSeller Program, sellers will need to maintain a rating of 4.5 or higher in all four DSRs." Which in Canada is pretty darn hard to do if you are shipping anything that has substance and weight to it to anywhere outide ones own city limits. So if one has over 4.5 in both the shipping catagories, consider yourself lucky that you don't have to ship anything that weighs over 5 oz. and has to be declared at Customs. The way I see it, quite a few Canadian sellers with big bulky Customs needed declared items that ship through Canada Post (UPS charges a admin fee on top of their shipping rates if it crosses the border (this is charged directly to the Customers when the item is delivered) ) will no longer be talking to one another in this Square Trade forum. Which is a huge shame and that is what eBay sellers should really be disgusted and truly upset about.
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terrym5512
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OOOPS :^O - I meant ....will no longer be talking to one another in this POWER SELLERS FORUM not Square Trade forum.
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eBay should automatically "Negative" a non-paying bidder for every strike they receive...

Great Idea, Why didn't the Ebay folks think of that?

Regarding the shipping - I totally agree that Canadians are at a disadvantage for the DSR's. I usually send envelopes - and they can take up to two weeks to arrive. I mail within 24 hours, and I still answer a few emails a week from buyers wondering why their package hasn't arrived in 4 days. For a while, I was sending packages from the US - it saved a lot of money and the packages arrived much quicker. I think I need to start going back to the USPS.
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Or, we should be able to set our automated blocking rules to block people who have received a certain number of non-paying bidder claims in their history (not just a 2 in the last 30 days).

This is coming, they are changing the block to either 1 or 2 in the last 12 months.

sellers will need to maintain a rating of 4.5 or higher in all four DSRs." Which in Canada is pretty darn hard to do if you are shipping anything that has substance and weight to it to anywhere outide ones own city limits


Most of the sellers who post here have no trouble maintaining 4.5 or higher. Overall only about 10% of sellers have any ratings below 4.5


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Had a very long chat with a gal from eBay last week.

There are some powerful tools being implemented to take care of deadbeat bidders, incl. more stringent qualifications to maintain an eBay ID.

Xena
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