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tobyshitzu · ‎09-12-2016

The task force report on CP is out and concludes CP needs a major overhaul to remain viable. Also rejects banking as unviable

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/canada-post-needs-major-overhaul-to-become-financi...

"Options offered to the federal government in a 94-page discussion paper released on Monday include charging for home delivery, reducing the number of delivery days and hiking the price of stamps.

“The financial challenges are large and growing at an accelerated rate,” concluded the four-member task force headed by Montreal businesswoman Françoise Bertrand. “Although … options have been presented, they alone are insufficient to bridge Canada Post to a financially sustainable future. Other fundamental and transformational changes must be brought to bear.”"

Just after they had to commit to not making changes with the staff for another 1.5 years

momcqueen · ‎09-12-2016

Thank you for the link. Interesting article.

dutchman48 · ‎09-12-2016

I don't think this comes as a surprise to the majority of Canadians, except a certain government individual, and the unions involved with the mail.

cumos55 · ‎09-12-2016

Reading the Canada Post Corporation Act provided an interesting view of what Canada Post can do.

OR... more specifically what CPC can legally do.... without question

http://www.laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/ .......................................is a link to the CPC Act

A most interesting objective... from the Act....

----- the need to conduct its operations on a self-sustaining financial basis while providing a standard of service that will meet the needs of the people of Canada and that is similar with respect to communities of the same size;

There are many things that the union wants... and they all relate to what Canada Post wants to change.

This one statement allows CPC to proceed... and most likely... or most definitely without any interference from anyone... the union or the Prime Minister.... or elsewhere

(1) closing the outlets run by CPC.... opening franchises

(2) Community mailboixes... no door-door-delivery... except on a limited, as required basis....

and, based on what is said in the report... delivery may be every other day to the Community mailboxes....

(3) a Defined contribution pension.... (Winnipeg City police is $53 million in the negative with a defined benefit plan)

(4) Postal banking.................... The banks have been, and are cutting back further, in the number of branches

The union says NO to cutbacks... but the CPC Act provides the means whereby CPC can proceed without having to deal with the union...

One might suspect that the Union's power will be cut back significantly after this report

The dollars are there... and Canada Post will be cutting back where CPC deems necessary

The next step... Make CPC an ... essential service..... no more strikes....

cumos55 · ‎09-12-2016

My response to most anything the Union Wants.... and wants that which is contrary to CPC's choice to reduce cost...

To the Union.....You pay for it.....and you can have it....

momcqueen · ‎09-12-2016

@cumos55 wrote:

.....The next step... Make CPC an ... essential service..... no more strikes....

Or threat of strikes or lockouts. Despite that we never actually came to it over the summer, the threat alone was enough to put my sales in the dump. And I worked through it, I didn't close. I was still open and selling things. For the most part to people who live outside Canada whereas normally Canadians are the largest part of my business. They stayed away in droves.

cumos55 · ‎09-12-2016

We have had our discussion over July and August and I am sure we have learned a lot about the CPC versus Union relationship.

I suspect that one of the recommendations will relate to what CPC can do without union interference

The CUPW website is "hotter" than ever.... and will most likely get HOTTER

and this next year could be difficult for Canada Post....

We shall wait and see .... and be ready for anything....

cumos55 · ‎09-12-2016

Lots more information with this newspaper report.....

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-post-task-force-floats-door-to-door-delivery-fees-among-...

Much more in depth reporting

momcqueen · ‎09-13-2016

https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/09/12/could-marijuana-sales-save-canada-post-in-digital-age.ht...

Could marijuana sales save Canada Post in digital age?
New report says post office could capitalize on legal pot sales through delivery and direct retail sales

cumos55 · ‎09-13-2016

The report... discussion paper .... produced by the Review..... is online at .......

http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/examendepostescanada-canadapostreview/documents/EPC-CPR_rpt-eng.pdf

A most interesting read....

Perhaps.... the only way to allow Canada Post to proceed is through a Parliamentary degree....

allowing CPC to proceed .....without any impediment

In general, the people of Canada understand what has to be done... and perhaps how it should be done.

The one thing that comes out is that there are several agreements, or rulings that are a defined block to what CPC wants to do....

and the Union can be a major problem for CPC...

The Government will have to re-define the meaning of CPC to Canadian people and how everything should be adjusted

cumos55 · ‎09-14-2016

Door-to-door delivery of mail...

Too costly to remove community mailboxes and go back to door-to-door delivery.

So... You want to continue with door-to-door delivery, and not have community mailboxes installed.

The cost for door-to door delivery will be about $20 a month......

Sounds good except for those people that get very little "true mail" because they receive bills over the internet... and pay them on-line.

The absolute solution is community mailboxes..... and special delivery to "needy"people

And... delivery to community mailboxes can be reduced to every other day...or even two days a week. if it were not for a guaranteed 5 days of delivery each week... by a previous agreement..

Too many previous agreements stopping Canada Post from changing everything now.....without opposition.

This review will show what must happen today... if we want a Canada Post 10 years from now.....

cumos55 · ‎09-15-2016

The following is the Union's response to the Discussion paper .....

Canada Post Review Task Force Releases Discussion Paper on Future of Canada Post!

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Tuesday September 13 2016

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The Canada Post Review task force that was set up earlier this year to identify options for the future of Canada Post has released its discussion paper. The paper includes possibilities such as:

Reducing delivery frequency
Converting home delivery to community mailbox delivery
Charging people for door-to-door delivery
Changing the moratorium on post office closures in rural and small towns
Becoming an Internet service provider, but just at post offices
Using post offices as community hubs
Reviewing labour and pension costs
Providing a marijuana distribution service
Providing postal banking on a very limited scale

The discussion paper’s section on postal banking takes a very one-sided and narrow view. It claims that full-scale postal banking is unlikely to succeed within the Canadian context but says that a partnership model with banks or credit unions could be considered. The paper also says “there may be an opportunity … for corporate post offices in select under-served remote communities in line with the Task Force’s “hub” option of offering services in select communities provided financial institutions have an interest in this initiative.”

CUPW will vigorously oppose all measures that undermine public postal service and jobs.

You can see the whole discussion paper by going to http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/examendepostescanada-canadapostreview/rapport-report/consult-eng.html.

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A good summary of what is in the discussion paper.

The key words for the Union are.......CUPW will vigorously oppose

marnotom! · ‎09-15-2016

@cumos55 wrote:

Perhaps.... the only way to allow Canada Post to proceed is through a Parliamentary degree....

allowing CPC to proceed .....without any impediment

In general, the people of Canada understand what has to be done... and perhaps how it should be done.

The one thing that comes out is that there are several agreements, or rulings that are a defined block to what CPC wants to do....

and the Union can be a major problem for CPC...

I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. Are you implying that the results of the collective bargaining process can be tossed out the window simply because it "impedes" the will of the employer?

The BC Teachers' Federation and the Government of British Columbia have a Supreme Court of Canada appeal coming up that deals with this issue. Back in 2002 the government stripped out provisions in the teachers' contract that related to class size and number of special needs kids in a class. These conditions had been negotiated with the previous government. The two sides have been battling out the constitutionality of this since.

momcqueen · ‎09-16-2016

In contrast, teachers in Manitiba gave up the right to strike in favor of binding arbitration 50 years ago.

marnotom! · ‎09-16-2016

@mjwl2006 wrote:

In contrast, teachers in Manitiba gave up the right to strike in favor of binding arbitration 50 years ago.

Not sure what this has to do with the price of beans, but for what it's worth the reverse happened in British Columbia, largely due to the Social Credit government of the day tabling legislation that would end up transforming the BC Teachers' Federation from a professional association into a full-fledged provincial union in the mid-80s.

momcqueen · ‎09-16-2016

How is what I had to add to the thread any less relevant to the CPC thread than what you did? You brought up a situation with teachers in BC; I raised the situation teachers in Manitoba. It has nothing whatsoever to do with beans, price or otherwise.

marnotom! · ‎09-16-2016

@mjwl2006 wrote:

How is what I had to add to the thread any less relevant to the CPC thread than what you did? You brought up a situation with teachers in BC; I raised the situation teachers in Manitoba. It has nothing whatsoever to do with beans, price or otherwise.

You have to take the context of the post into consideration. Cumos55 appears to be suggesting that it's perfectly reasonable for governments or government agencies to negate conditions that were negotiated in the collective agreement process in order for the employer to get its way. I brought up the BCTF because it's been fighting with the provincial government in British Columbia on this very issue. The 'TF and the BC government have a date in court with the Supreme Court of Canada coming up, with the outcome of this appeal having broad repercussions for labour relations throughout this country.

momcqueen · ‎09-16-2016

And in Manitoba, this type of fight will never happen with our teachers because, like I said, they agreed to use binding arbitration more than fifty years ago.

That context was clear to me. It was not to you?

marnotom! · ‎09-17-2016

@mjwl2006 wrote:

And in Manitoba, this type of fight will never happen with our teachers because, like I said, they agreed to use binding arbitration more than fifty years ago.

That context was clear to me. It was not to you?

It's clear to me in a discussion about labour relations, governments and teachers, not clear to me in a discussion about Canada Post workers and management.

cumos55 · ‎09-18-2016

Go to CUPW's website... and read... read... read... and you see how the Union exerts its power...

The union sees itself as powerful... perhaps one of the most powerful unions on Canada.

The Union built its power in relation to a required government service... Canada Post

Once upon a time ago it was the union versus the government.... Canada Post was a government service

Now it is the Union versus CPC...CPC Is a corporation like any other corporation.

and... perhaps more important... CPC is guided by the CPC Act which can be changed by the government..... effectively shutting out the Union..... the equivalent of binding arbitration....

The Canada Post Review is letting us know what CPC has to do..... to remain ... self-sufficient....and it is my view.... if necessary the government will step in and assist CPC.

Many things will happen over the next year... and the biggest change just might be what happens to CUPW..

There are a lot of little agreements that prevent CPC from changing overnight ... put these littlebarriers aside and CPC will be very happy