Harper lies again

[prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil]

Income splitting.

Lets add this to the rest of his lies and misinformation......

http://harperlies.blogspot.ca/

http://trustbreaker.freehostia.com/

[nuvistors]

We will have to agree that harper broke a couple election promises but McGuinty broke ALL his election promises.

But that is OK to some people since McGuinty is  liberal and can do no wrong.

[prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil]

As far as I'm concerned, McGuinty and Harper can both share a raft in the middle of the Atlantic.

[owlgebra]

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@nuvistors wrote:

We will have to agree that harper broke a couple election promises but McGuinty broke ALL his election promises.

But that is OK to some people since McGuinty is  liberal and can do no wrong.

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What are you even talking about?  It's like you posted in the wrong thread.

[valve37]

Since this is a political thread .....................

I’m thrilled to welcome newly elected Ontario PC MPP Gila Martow and congratulate Bart Maves and our volunteers on a hard-fought campaign.

Tonight we received more votes in total than any other party. A majority of voters said they want leadership that will take decisive action to fix the problems Ontario faces and for a Million Jobs Plan that will bring affordable energy, lower taxes, more skilled trades and a balanced budget.

Bart has represented Niagara for 11 years and has a proven track record of creating jobs. He ran a great campaign and I know he will continue to fight for his community.

The Liberals tried to suppress voter turnout and escape accountability by calling by-elections in the dead of winter, during the Olympics and before a long weekend. And unfortunately the special interest unions and their considerable resources swung behind the Liberal-NDP coalition to block the change Ontario so desperately needs.

Clearly the special interest unions see no difference between the high tax, high spend policies of the Liberals and the same policies of the NDP – policies that drive away jobs.

There will only be two choices in the next election: a Liberal-NDP coalition that will raise taxes and cost jobs or the Ontario PC Party that will end wasteful spending, lower taxes and create jobs.

[pierrelebel]

"Harper lies again"

What do you mean by "again"?  Had he stopped lying?

I think a better heading would be "Harper still lying".

It would have been so easy to be honest and candid with that proposal and tell it like it is:  "We, the Conservative Party, under the great leadership of the Right Honourable Stephen G Harper,  believe the high income earners of Canada deserve another tax break and we will give those a tax break costing Canada $3,000,000,000 (that is three billion dollars) a year.

Why give it to those in need? - they do not vote for us.

Why should we use that money on needed programs such as transfers to the Provinces for higher education or health issues?

Or... Or... Or...

No, let's help our friends, those who vote for us.

Yet, millions of Canadians who will not receive any benefit from the income splitting program for the rich will continue to support them and send them $10 or $20 a month.  It really amazes me.

[prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil]

I thought it was Stephen J Harper? Has he officially changed to G for God now, or is it G for Gullible in honour of his supporters?

[valve37]

Here here now does this look like a man that would lie?

[stevephinn2012]

Well Pierrre

Can you HONESTLY come on here and state that YOU do NOT split your pension with your wife saving your household thousands of dollars a year??

from what I gather (and will be first to admit it if I am wrong) your wife did not work and you receive a pension from what ever company you worked for.

IF you are NOT splitting that pension with your wife and taking FULL advantage of the pensions splitting that the Conservative government put in place you better get a better accountant.

Oh wait MAYBE you are the RICH you seem to be talking about

by the way by splitting your pension the LEAST you save per year is $421 in taxes

[pierrelebel]

"YOU do NOT split your pension with your wife saving your household thousands of dollars a year??"

Actually, we do NOT.

Neither of us has pension from a company or government job.  We depend on Old Age Security cheques every month and income from our savings.  I get CPP while Mary will wait until she is 70 to start getting her CPP payments.

But that income splitting plan promised by Harper in the last election campaign has noting to do with me or you for that matter.

The tax benefits, estimated at $2,500,000,000 to $3,000,000,000, would primarily benefit couples where one individual is a very high income earner.  There is little if any benefit for the average Canadian family and certainly none for seniors, as few of them would have kids under the age of 18.

By the way, do you know and really understand what that program is?  How it works? To suggest I may benefit as a senior implies to me that you have no idea what the proposed program is all about.

[stevephinn2012]

Neither of us has pension from a company or government job.  We depend on Old Age Security cheques every month and income from our savings.  I get CPP while Mary will wait until she is 70 to start getting her CPP payments--  This is not coming from a RRIF just straight savings? as a RRIF does in fact qualify for splitting-again saving you at least $421 a year

actually ANYBODY making over $37,000 with a stay at home with will benefit from income splitting as will drop them down a tax bracket--yes those that make over $150,000 a year (the HIGHEST bracket) will save more and so saying those making Millions will benefit more is plain WRONG ! someone making $300,000 will benefit the exact same as someone making $1 million.

and those are rough estimates as top level changes per province and is only $138ish in Federal

[stevephinn2012]

and if you think that someone (maybe even someone on here) that might maybe own a company and that company made $150,000 last year as profit and has a stay at how wife, does not have the accountant say that oh maybe his wife helped a "little" around the company and he "paid" he $50,000 to drop his income to $75,000 and her's to $75,000 rather than paying tax at the high rate you better wake up from your dream.

[valve37]

Current splitting works great for this couple. Stay at home mom with no company pension. Split my company pension and now my RRIF. 

SAHM a Conservative ideology, kids are conditioned to turn out to be superior contributors to society.

How about SAHDs? That will work also. 

[art-in-the-making]

SAHM a Conservative ideology

You said it.

Income splitting to benefit the very wealthy, with the cherry on top of supporting the prehistoric conservative ideology of keeping women in the home raising kids. No need to muddy the waters here with any discussion of who  really raises the kids (hi there exploited immigrant nanny and housekeeper!) while mommy is "busy" with her non-child-raising activities.

[valve37]

I'm sure Art my wife would have liked to of had the luxury of a nanny for my kids.

A nanny for kids of working parents is a Liberal ideology.

[dipmicro]

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@stevephinn2012 wrote:

Neither of us has pension from a company or government job.  We depend on Old Age Security cheques every month and income from our savings.  I get CPP while Mary will wait until she is 70 to start getting her CPP payments--  This is not coming from a RRIF just straight savings? as a RRIF does in fact qualify for splitting-again saving you at least $421 a year

actually ANYBODY making over $37,000 with a stay at home with will benefit from income splitting as will drop them down a tax bracket--yes those that make over $150,000 a year (the HIGHEST bracket) will save more and so saying those making Millions will benefit more is plain WRONG ! someone making $300,000 will benefit the exact same as someone making $1 million.

and those are rough estimates as top level changes per province and is only $138ish in Federal

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I agree with Steve on this, I don't think families with one working parent are all that rare and in all normal families the income is shared, man pays this, wife pays that, if they have something extra, there goes into the mortgage, which is also shared. And so should be tax burden. Just because one gets $50k and other 20k, does not mean the first one lives $50k/yr lifestyle and the other 20k/yr, they both get 35k/yr lifestyle.

[art-in-the-making]

dipmicro, yes there are nominal benefits to lower income income splitters like the example you mentioned. But, even the most conservative think-tanks have already studied this issue and all are in agreement that the lions share of the benefit of this program would go to the wealthy. What you're suggesting is that most people should be happy with nothing or an extra $few bucks, even though the vast majority of the expense of the program would go to oiling the jeans of the already well-oiled.

If the Harpercons are determined to "honour their promises", better they do something more equitable that is arguably a reasonable substitute for income splitting, like some of the measures being bandied about. A national day care program with compensation for stay-at-homes is one, but there are several other suggestions.

valve, unfortunately we are not talking about "Bob Stanfield" Conservatives here. Seriously, if we took a sampling of all the people in the country with nannies for their kids, what proportion do you think are Harper voters? I would guess 90% of the men and 70+% of the women would be Conservative voters.