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Postal workers and management are making contingency plans to avoid trapping live animals en route in the event of a work stoppage come July.

 

From a farming publication, the Manitoba Cooperator which is a newspaper which I have many fond memories of reading with my grandparents, when I was growing up.

 

http://www.manitobacooperator.ca/daily/postal-workers-pledge-to-move-bees-chicks-if-striking

 

I'll get you started with an except. The point is that they are planning ahead as if a work stoppage in July is a foregone conclusion. 

 

Postal workers pledge to move bees, chicks if striking  

(Keith Weller photo courtesy ARS/USDA)

(Keith Weller photo courtesy ARS/USDA) 

Canada Post and its unionized staff have agreed to set up a system in which workers would volunteer to move live animals, such as day-old chicks or bees, during a strike or lockout.

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) said Tuesday it has a new agreement with the Crown corporation to move and deliver social assistance and pension cheques in case of a work stoppage.

Agreements have been reached between CUPW and Canada Post ahead of previous potential work stoppages, to deliver government payments to seniors and people with low incomes.

However, such an agreement that also includes commitments to “ensure that live animals are not trapped in the event of a strike or lockout” is new, the union said in a release.

“We don’t want the most vulnerable people in our society — pensioners and those living on low incomes — to suffer because postal workers might get locked out or forced out,” CUPW national president Mike Palecek said in the release.

“Nor do we want a repeat of what happened in 2011, when managers locked us out for two weeks, trapping animals such as bees and baby chicks in the system,” he said.

According to media reports during the 2011 lockout, postal staff were allowed into warehouses to track down such live cargo; a Canada Post spokesperson was quoted at the time as saying all such cargo, to the corporation’s knowledge, was found.

The new agreement, signed by representatives from the company and union and dated June 11, calls for Canada Post to “develop a mechanism for segregating or tracking live animals prior to a possible strike or lockout.”

 

 

 

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@recped wrote:

@dutchman48 wrote:

What makes you think that franchise outlets that are non union would want to get into banking.

 

Canada Post and the union, and mostly the union, need to smarten up and run the postal service.

 

Not figure out more ways they can shaft the public. If they want to work for a bank, let them quit the postal service and work for a bank.

 

Maybe they should get into the liquor business, or medicine, or anything else they know nothing about to try to justify their demands.

 

Why should they be guaranteed a job if their is no work for them. Don't replace the retiring workers with more workers that want a guaranteed job. As workers retire, steam line the job. If the dolts still want door to door mail to keep their jobs, cut it back to 3 or even 2 days a week. Residences do not need mail delivery every day and it is time the union figured that out and deal with it as intelligent human beings instead of with the no way, I am entitled as I belong to CUPW.

 

What works in other countries will not necessarily work here and I would not want to be aparty to playing around with banking to see if it works.

 

Banking today is a very complicated business and peoples' money is not something to play around with.


Same reason they got into postal services....to make money! Either directly or indirectly via increased traffic.

 

The postal outlets around here mostly twiddle their thumbs for at least 75% of the day when there is no business to be done (thus the desire for stools!).

 

If basic banking services are so complicated why are there so many cheque cashing and payday loan places. It's certainly not because the people who work there are highly skilled.

 

But I guess you figure that postal services in England, France, Italy, Germany, Japan etc. etc. have got it all wrong in offering banking services.

 

Are you aware that Canada Post did offer basic banking services up until 1968. I'd bet pressure from the big 5 (big 6 at that time) are why that was done away with.

 

USPS would dearly love to get into these alternate services, unfortunately with Congress in the pockets of Wall Street they won't allow it to happen.


My local Canada Post authorized dealer is also a MoneyGram counter. Aren't they all?

 

Anytime I get stuck in line with my parcels behind someone sending a MoneyGram (always either going to Nigeria, or to a relative in prison) I want to stab myself with my car keys. Those MoneyGrams take forever to do. It's impossible to think the authorized dealers could offer full banking services: they don't have the training for that. 

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Thanks a bunch
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Far far away from the Center of the universe there is very little thumb twiddling at the outlet that I go to.  There is often a line up plus the staff also serve as customer service for the grocery store and they sell lotto tickets.  Of course they aren't in the postal union so their duties are a little more flexible.

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Canada Post has forwarded notice to postal outlets... about the last day to ship in Canada  with delivery to be expected before July 1.

 

Expedited Canada....  last day for mailing parcels is June 21

 

Data for Canada only... because once a parcel reaches the border... and enters US customs....  The parcel is no longer handled by Canada Post. 

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I took a parcel to the postal counter today an Expedited domestic parcel with a 13-day delivery standard. That means July 8 delivery.
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13 days..wow. Is it going up north? 

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Yes, Northern Ontario.

 

The buyer has already been misled by ebay's Shipping Calculator that provides the same 'delivery estimate' of three to eight business days regardless what postal code is entered, so I sincerely hope their order doesn't get stuck in limbo en route due to CPC job action. That would be adding insult to injury.

 

I have a fair number of buyers from remote locations in Canada, despite Raphael's assurance that 'few' people are affected by the erroneous delivery estimate. As a seller, it offends me deeply to see them misled so I can only imagine how a buyer would feel deceived by it. 

 

When I dropped this off today, I asked at my authorized dealer what they had last heard on the strike/lockout front and she said she had been told by her regional supervisor to expect CPC to 'lockout' workers as of July 1 but had no word on whether the counters would still be accepting incoming mail. 

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More of the same headlines: https://www.biv.com/article/2016/6/mail-disruption-feared-canada-post-lockout-looms/

 

Mail disruption feared as Canada Post lockout looms Businesses should brace for a potential loss of mail delivery starting in July
Posties may not even get the chance to walk off the job before Canada Post locks them out: CUPW | Canada Post
 
Canadian businesses might need to start making alternative arrangements to snail mail and Canada Post parcel delivery as the prospect of a July shutdown of national postal services looms. 

Canada’s postal workers will be in a legal strike position on July 2, but a union leader says posties might not even get the chance to take a strike vote.

 

“Every indication is that they’re looking toward locking us out in July,” said Mike Palecek, national president of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), which represents 50,000 postal workers. “Canada Post has come to the table demanding major cuts to everything from benefits to pensions to job security.”

The last lockout in 2011 followed rotating strikes before postal workers were legislated back to work. 

Each time there is a strike or a lockout, Canada Post loses business customers, sometimes for good, said Richard Truscott, western Canadian vice-president for the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB).

“Canada Post and its workers are shooting themselves in the foot.”

Many small businesses rely on Canada Post for parcel delivery, billing, invoicing and other services. Truscott said CFIB member surveys show 61% of respondents say Canada Post delivery services are very important to their operations.

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How any modern nation, can allow a business with a monopoly to strike or lockout is beyond me.

 

By law, only one Postal System is allowed in Canada....that being Canada Post.  So therefore, by law they should not be allowed to strike or lockout during contract negotiations.  Could the power company, the water company go on strike/lock out employees and cut off service to the public, until they get what they want?  Of course not.  They are essential.

 

So is the Postal System!   Thousands of Canadian businesses are totally dependent on the Postal System.  They will be crushed under by a long term dispute.  Canada Post is as essential as any other service that has a monopoly and should not be allowed to inconvenience the public during contract negotiations.  Period.

 

It is my hope that the Prime Minister will become directly involved and put an end to this nonsense, before it even begins.

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@fort2b wrote:

How any modern nation, can allow a business with a monopoly to strike or lockout is beyond me.

 

By law, only one Postal System is allowed in Canada....that being Canada Post.  So therefore, by law they should not be allowed to strike or lockout during contract negotiations.  Could the power company, the water company go on strike/lock out employees and cut off service to the public, until they get what they want?  Of course not.  They are essential.

 

So is the Postal System!   Thousands of Canadian businesses are totally dependent on the Postal System.  They will be crushed under by a long term dispute.  Canada Post is as essential as any other service that has a monopoly and should not be allowed to inconvenience the public during contract negotiations.  Period.

 

It is my hope that the Prime Minister will become directly involved and put an end to this nonsense, before it even begins.


Only lettermail service is a monopoly. Parcel services are not. FedEx, UPS, CanPar and others exist to provide parcels services. Their rates may be higher but their services do exist.

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no........a courier service is not a postal system.  They are two entirely different set ups.  I can have any letter mail I want delivered by UPS, FedEx etc too.  But it's delivered by a courier, not through an efficient low cost postal system.

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no........a courier service is not a postal system.  They are two entirely different set ups.  I can have any letter mail I want delivered by UPS, FedEx etc too.  But it's delivered by a courier, not through an efficient low cost postal system.


You said Canada Post was a monopoly, it is not since there are other options to ship. That was my point. 

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@fort2b wrote:

no........a courier service is not a postal system.  They are two entirely different set ups.  I can have any letter mail I want delivered by UPS, FedEx etc too.  But it's delivered by a courier, not through an efficient low cost postal system.


You said Canada Post was a monopoly, it is not since there are other options to ship. That was my point. 


Poco is correct. There are options. A true monopoly is: "the exclusive possession or control". Not liking the options does not mean they do not exist.

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Once upon a time ago.... Canada Post had a monopoly... all with respect to mail delivery....  lettermail.. parcels

 

Then the rules were changed  and along came the other options ... courier services

 

 

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I could be wrong but my recollection is that if you courier something wayyy up north or into remote areas it is actually Canada Post that delivers it once it goes past the couriers territory/routes.......
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So true about a Courier service handing off to Canada Post for delivery to remote areas of Canada.

 

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Sent an item Priority... airmail to Hong Kong...  and it was Fed-Ex that delivered it... It was dropped off at a Canada Post outlet

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@ricarmic wrote:
I could be wrong but my recollection is that if you courier something wayyy up north or into remote areas it is actually Canada Post that delivers it once it goes past the couriers territory/routes.......

That is true. However, it is because the couriers refuse to extend their service, not because they are prevented from doing so.

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Once upon a time ago.... Canada Post had a monopoly... all with respect to mail delivery....  lettermail.. parcels

 

Then the rules were changed  and along came the other options ... courier services

 


The Canadian post office has never had a monopoly on parcel delivery. They got the exclusive on lettermail with the requirement that the post office had to provide service all locations in Canada.

 

Non post office delivery of parcels to selected locations in what is now Canada has always been available. First via boats and  wagons, then adding stagecoaches and trains, and much, much later aeroplanes.

 

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My memory from the 2011 lockout was UPS saying about 5-6% of the addresses in Canada they could not deliver to, since Canada Post did the final leg.

 

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@cumos55 wrote:

So true about a Courier service handing off to Canada Post for delivery to remote areas of Canada.

 

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Sent an item Priority... airmail to Hong Kong...  and it was Fed-Ex that delivered it... It was dropped off at a Canada Post outlet


The same is true for Priority services (like overnight) within Canada. CPC gives it to FedEx, the company with which they have sub-contracted to do so. 

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Sounds like a trade-off.

 

Canada Post does deliveries to remote areas of Canada

 

Fed-Ex  does the Priority option... for overnight delivery within Canada ....and then elsewhere as well

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