PLEASE give me smart advise!

On July 4th I got a long and detailed message from US buyer asking if I consider to give him a good deal if he purchases 29 children books from me. He has attached the list - most were soft covered, 4 hard covered... He resides in Oregon.

I wrote to him 

Thank you for your interest and detailed list. 
If you buy these 29 books, I will ship the parcel for free - to Oregon the cost of this size parcel is between $33 and $60.

 

I think it was very fair. May be even too much?

 

A little later he wrote that he has altered his list and now he wants only 13 books, all soft covered... He said they are not heavy and I should not be under big expense.

 

I was not smart enough to say anything then.

During 3 days he has purchased 11 books only and now he sent me email asking for the total incl. free shipping.

 

The total comes as $86.89 and the weight before packing is 992 grams! Therefore I have to use the EXPEDITED SHIPPING to Oregon and it is $26.48

 

I do not think that I have to stand behind my offer for free shipping and thought I can offer him something different... the 50% cost of shipping?

 

All my correspondence with him and his original promise to purchase more item is on the record... How do I stand by eBay's measurements? 

 

PLEASE express your opinions on this situation.

 

 

Thank you!

 

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@pierrelebel wrote:

"But then some countries such as New Zealand do not show up."

 

You are absolutely correct.  I forgot about the New Zealand (and maybe other countries) problem if one selects everything but the USA.



If I understand you and 'pj', you were both referring to calculated shipping set-up?  This problem (NZ not showing) also occurs when using flat rate shipping -- and in my case I do specify the USA separately, then the international countries/continents as another international "group".  When clicking on NZ under the "Shipping" section of a listing nothing appears but "Seller will ship within ___ business days of payment".  This is a problem, you're right.


Getting back to the other issue ("free" showing inappropriately in search results and on listing description pages), I'm still wondering if the key thing is not what site a buyer accesses (even if not logged in), but where the buyer is physically located.  Surely cookies or other electronic means of identifying a buyer's location automatically must exist -- and here I'm not referring to entering a country or postal code within the Shipping tab on a listing, but just looking at the main listing page.


I think what I need to do is contact one of my regular buyers in the U.S. and ask what the heck they actually see when they look at my listings from the United States on .com -- do those listings with free Cdn shipping show up as such in the U.S. or not?  If they do, I consider that a fairly serious problem. 


Come to think of it, I recall one of the eBay.ca staff assuring me some months ago, when I asked the specific question, that "free" shipping shown for Canada would not appear as such to U.S. or other int'l buyers.  Has something changed since then? 

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If I understand you and 'pj', you were both referring to calculated shipping set-up? 

 

No, we weren't referring specifically to calculated shipping.....just the way things are set up in general.

 

in my case I do specify the USA separately, then the international countries/continents as another international "group".  When clicking on NZ under the "Shipping" section of a listing nothing appears but "Seller will ship within ___ business days of payment".

 

As we talked about another time, NZ residents will not see a shipping price because you are separately grouping Canada,U.S. Europe, Japan, Australia etc...rather than using Canada, U.S. & worldwide. You can't click on NZ under the shipping section of your listings because it isn't listed at all so I suspect that NZ residents don't usually see your listings.

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

 

As we talked about another time, NZ residents will not see a shipping price because you are separately grouping Canada,U.S. Europe, Japan, Australia etc...rather than using Canada, U.S. & worldwide. You can't click on NZ under the shipping section of your listings because it isn't listed at all so I suspect that NZ residents don't usually see your listings.


Yes, I recall that discussion, but what I was trying to say is that NZ does actually come up in the drop-down list under the Shipping section of my listings, presumably because I have deselected it on my exclusion list for Oceania (i.e. allowed shipping to NZ). 

 

However, when I choose New Zealand as the destination under the Shipping tab in my listings, the message that appears is the one I mentioned above -- "Seller will usually ship within 1 day of receiving cleared payment", but no shipping quote, even though I have a flat rate international shipping amount specified separately for countries outside the U.S.  How can I know whether my listings are visible to NZ buyers or not?  I don't think one can assume they are not, from this information alone. 

 

For example, normally, if a seller has not put a shipping amount in for a particular country or area, the message will indicate the seller does not ship to that location.  This is different -- sort of a half-and-half scenario -- maybe we do, maybe we don't.  That message I noted above tells the buyer nothing about shipping costs or ship-to countries.

 

This is rather ridiculous in my view.  I don't see that there is anything a seller can do to remedy this glitch, aside from simply offering 'worldwide' shipping as an open door which I personally don't want to do.  Nor do I want to use calculated shipping because I discount most current shipping rates. 

 

What is the point of eBay providing selective shipping options and exclusions if their own programming isn't capable of properly displaying and applying those choices?  I see this as an internal eBay incompatibility that should be addressed.  Another futile question for the Wed. board meeting I suppose...

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Rose, I use flat rate shipping and also state I ship Worldwide (with some exclusions added) and I list on .com. I have NZ customers often asking me for a shipping quote so I think that they must see my items but even though I don't exclude them, they never see a shipping price. It seems to be an ongoing problem that ebay has never bothered to fix.

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Yes, I recall that discussion, but what I was trying to say is that NZ does actually come up in the drop-down list under the Shipping section of my listings, presumably because I have deselected it on my exclusion list for Oceania (i.e. allowed shipping to NZ). 

 

However, when I choose New Zealand as the destination under the Shipping tab in my listings, the message that appears is the one I mentioned above -- "Seller will usually ship within 1 day of receiving cleared payment", but no shipping quote, even though I have a flat rate international shipping amount specified separately for countries outside the U.S.  How can I know whether my listings are visible to NZ buyers or not?  I don't think one can assume they are not, from this information alone.

 

I did realize what you were saying but before I posted I checked quite a few of your listings...although not all of them. I didn't see any listings that showed NZ as an option and in those cases, there is no statement "Seller will...."   But perhaps you can give me an item number of a listing that does show NZ as an option sans shipping cost.  I could be wrong but I suspect that if any do show that, they are not in the majority.

 

The listings that I checked all had the same or similar shipping options as this screen shot.

 

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This is rather ridiculous in my view.  I don't see that there is anything a seller can do to remedy this glitch, aside from simply offering 'worldwide' shipping as an open door which I personally don't want to do.  Nor do I want to use calculated shipping because I discount most current shipping rates.

 

What is the point of eBay providing selective shipping options and exclusions if their own programming isn't capable of properly displaying and applying those choices?  I see this as an internal eBay incompatibility that should be addressed.  Another futile question for the Wed. board meeting I suppose...

 

How does worldwide shipping open any more doors than what you have open now? You simply choose worldwide and then block the countries and/or continents that you don't want to ship to.  Those with shipping addresses in the countries that you have blocked are unlikely to see your listings.

 

Problems such as showing shipping costs to NZ as well as the problem that Pierre and I were discussing about two rates showing for the U.S. have been mentioned to the reps many times. Last time they stated that they have been pushing PB to fix those type of things but that they are not having much luck with it. (I'm paraphrasing)

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@vintagenorth wrote:

Rose, I use flat rate shipping and also state I ship Worldwide (with some exclusions added) and I list on .com. I have NZ customers often asking me for a shipping quote so I think that they must see my items but even though I don't exclude them, they never see a shipping price. It seems to be an ongoing problem that ebay has never bothered to fix.


I understand why Rose's listings are not showing a price for NZ but I'm not sure why yours are not. I list on both .com and .ca.  with worldwide shipping and my listings do show a shipping price to NZ. 

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Hmmmmm....this is interesting and very odd.

 

I had my shipping location set to NZ and searched for one of your listings by number...item 161084435999.  In that situation it did give the message that you stated it however that listing definitely does not have NZ  under the drop down shipping tab.

 

Question - Do you have your block checked off for 'block countries that I don't ship to"?

 

It's very difficult to figure out how things work here when they aren't consistent...sheesh

 

OP, sorry for hijacking your thread. Smiley Sad

 

 

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'vintagenorth' was describing exactly the problem I see on my listings which do have worldwide shipping indicated (with exclusions set up).  I forgot to mention above that I have some of my newer CD items set with worldwide shipping because there is virtually zero risk in shipping those to almost everywhere in the world (although not quite everywhere, hence the exclusions).  The remaining items are set up with domestic, USA, and international (various continents/countries) as 3 separate sections, with exclusions.  On these latter items, I don't see NZ in the drop-down list, as you mentioned.  All are flat rate. 

 

So here is what I was referring to -- this is a CD item that I have set up as "worldwide" with exclusions, and shows what happens when I enter New Zealand (which is available on the drop-down list).  Note, interestingly, the Free shipping discount doesn't show up (as it did on the screen shot of the item you posted). 

 

I'm just about at the "throwing up my hands" stage.  I can't spend any more time right now re-doing the shipping options for all my listings.  I guess I'll just have to hope that NZ buyers will contact me if they're interested (I see there is a "Contact Seller" message above the shipping section).  

 

By the way, I think the OP is probably long gone with his original issue, but if we want to carry on with this particular line of discussion, maybe someone can copy a couple of these posts to a new thread.   

 

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