Possible Canada Post work stoppage this Friday July 8 , 2016

[wkndshop]

Canada Post issued a 72 hour lockout notice, if an agreement isnt reached, workers will be locked out on Friday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-post-lockout-notice-1.3664710

Canada Post has said that in the event of a full work disruption, it will not operate — mail and parcels will not be delivered, and no new items will be accepted.

[zee-chan-jpn-books]

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@fort2b wrote:

All that is needed is binding arbitration.   A fair arbitrator can be appointed and his/her word would be final.  Fair settlement and no disruption of services to 33 million people (who, at the moment, are apparently less important than 50,000 postal workers....do I need to quote Spock?)

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With that logic, then no one in any unionized profession or industry should be allowed to strike and do anything like a disruption of service... Teachers shouldn't be allowed to strike because they are affecting millions of children in the country, medical professionals shouldn't be allowed to strike because there are more sick patients in the country and it's not "right" for them to abandon their patients, fire fighters shouldn't be allowed to strike because the land is more important... is that your point? 

PS. Kudos to the fire fighters fighting the Burns Bog fire in lower mainland. 

[tobyshitzu]

firefighters and medical aren't allowed to strike.  But that has been very good for them

[momcqueen]

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@zee-chan-jpn-books wrote:

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@fort2b wrote:

All that is needed is binding arbitration.   A fair arbitrator can be appointed and his/her word would be final.  Fair settlement and no disruption of services to 33 million people (who, at the moment, are apparently less important than 50,000 postal workers....do I need to quote Spock?)

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With that logic, then no one in any unionized profession or industry should be allowed to strike and do anything like a disruption of service... Teachers shouldn't be allowed to strike because they are affecting millions of children in the country, medical professionals shouldn't be allowed to strike because there are more sick patients in the country and it's not "right" for them to abandon their patients, fire fighters shouldn't be allowed to strike because the land is more important... is that your point? 

PS. Kudos to the fire fighters fighting the Burns Bog fire in lower mainland. 

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In Manitoba, teachers do not have the right to strike. They gave up that right in favour of binding arbitration more than 50 years ago. 

[fort2b]

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zee-chan wrote:

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fort2b wrote:

All that is needed is binding arbitration.   A fair arbitrator can be appointed and his/her word would be final.  Fair settlement and no disruption of services to 33 million people (who, at the moment, are apparently less important than 50,000 postal workers....do I need to quote Spock?)

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With that logic, then no one in any unionized profession or industry should be allowed to strike and do anything like a disruption of service... Teachers shouldn't be allowed to strike because they are affecting millions of children in the country, medical professionals shouldn't be allowed to strike because there are more sick patients in the country and it's not "right" for them to abandon their patients, fire fighters shouldn't be allowed to strike because the land is more important... is that your point? 

PS. Kudos to the fire fighters fighting the Burns Bog fire in lower mainland. 

not at all..anyone who works in a industry or business that is not a monopoly can of course have the right to strike because if ABC donuts go on strike I can start buying XYZ donuts.  I may not like them quite as much but then I just might acquire a taste for them too..  And at any rate the are a similar product at a similar price.  The postal service in Canada is a monopoly....couriers are not the same, any more than taxi cabs are the same as public transit.  Couriers do not offer a slower but significantly lower cost service, like the postal system offers.

Strikes are intended to be between management and the workers, not between management, the workers and innocent bystanders, the public, who are generally used as hostages by both sides in a dispute.....both hoping the denial of a critical service will put public pressure on the government or the other side, to  gain an advantage and get what they want. 

[postit4me]

Since June 30 my non CPC retail outlet told me they could no longer take parcels by order of CPC. They stated CPC did not want mail hanging around these Retail Postal Outlets.  This is why there volumes are down.  Since I know the approximate time of pick up I waited for the van and the postal worker was glad to accept my parcels.  Thank you postie for your service. Tracking shows these items are being processed and on route for delivery.

[momcqueen]

If my local postal counter franchise workers told that to me, I would lodge a complaint with Canada Post Corporation. 

[Anonymous]

Canada Post needs to learn from USPS in how USPS never have a strike at any time in the past for many, many years.

[pierrelebel]

The U.S. postal strike of 1970 was a two-week strike by federal postal workers in March 1970. The strike began in New York City and spread to some other cities in the following two weeks. The strike was illegal, against the federal government, and the largest wildcat strike in U.S. history.

President Richard Nixon called out the United States armed forces and the National Guard in an attempt to distribute the mail and break the strike.

The strike influenced the contents of the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970, which transformed the Post Office into the more corporate United States Postal Service and guaranteed collective bargaining rights (though not the right to strike.)

[bassox333]

Just got this from CP :

Negotiations Update
    
Further to the update issued earlier this morning, additional information is provided below.

Customers should know items may be held if possible work disruption occurs
In response to the deteriorating business situation, Canada Post has issued a 72-hour notice to CUPW, which expires Friday, July 8. Customers should know that items sent during this time may be held in the postal system.

Note – There can be no legal work disruption before Friday, July 8. In the event of a full labour disruption, Canada Post will not operate. Mail and parcels will not be delivered, and no new items will be accepted. Any mail and parcels within the postal system during a work disruption will be secured and delivered as quickly as possible once operations resume.

[femmefan1946]

A strike may not start on Friday.

There will not be a strike on Friday.

There may be a LOCKOUT on Friday.

When workers refuse to work it is a strike. The workers have given their leaders permission to call a strike, but are not at this point planning to do so.

MANAGEMENT has decided they would rather close down completely than continue to talk.

There is no strike on the horizon.

[momcqueen]

Right... but to what advantage does management have if it says, 'We're locking you out before you can strike' beyond a psychological one akin to 'You can't quit, you're fired.' How does this accelerate the negations process? How can it still be said it's a 'possible' lockout? Isn't that like a 'little bit pregnant'? You're either knocked up or not, locked out or not. There is no middle ground. 

[rose-dee]

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@mjwl2006 wrote:

Right... but to what advantage does management have if it says, 'We're locking you out before you can strike' beyond a psychological one akin to 'You can't quit, you're fired.  How does this accelerate the negations process?

Because every day that goes by adds to the stress of those locked out -- no salary, no food, no mortgage payment.  It's a pressure tactic to twist arms to accept the corporation's deal.  It doesn't accelerate negotiation, it accelerates capitulation, and therefore conclusion.  However the optics are better for the union if they are locked out than if they strike and cut off their noses (economically speaking) to spite their faces.  (It paints CPC as the "bad guy" in the public's opinion if they lock the workers out, rather than workers striking on their own initiative -- and that pressure from the public to CPC, and by extension the government, can sometimes help drive a resolution of some sort). 

How can it still be said it's a 'possible' lockout? Isn't that like a 'little bit pregnant'? You're either knocked up or not, locked out or not. There is no middle ground. 

There is middle ground.  Until Friday, of course.  Until then, there is still the possibility the parties may reach an agreement, in which case, no lockout.  Hence the "possible" lockout. 

[momcqueen]

I think it highly unlikely that there won't be a lock-out now that the 72-hour notice has been dropped. To say 'possible' only gives people false hope that it can still be avoided. Somehow. 

[rose-dee]

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@mjwl2006 wrote:

I think it highly unlikely that there won't be a lock-out now that the 72-hour notice has been dropped. To say 'possible' only gives people false hope that it can still be avoided. Somehow. 

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Yes, but by law no one can state there will definitely be a lockout until the notice has expired.  And stating that a lockout is "likely" or "probable" would be irresponsible, too, both by the parties involved and by the media.  No one on the outside knows what is going on behind closed doors.  It's not unheard of for such things to be resolved at the 11th hour. 

Patience is the word of the hour.  We're all just sitting and waiting, some a little more on the edge of their seats than others.  

[fashionoutletdeal]

Hi there this situation its so confusing for all of us.Its been more than 10 days i have been looking for delivery company. Fedex,UPS are very expensive for me .And I dont know what to do .Closing the store or put on vacation mode.I have read so many different story from the last strike that some small businesses almost went bankrupt with Canada post strike.I will appreciate if you share your experience with me .Thanks and good luck to all.

[rose-dee]

FWIW, the last time there was a Canada Post dispute, I shut my store down, and I didn't regret it afterwards, even though I really couldn't afford the loss of income.  However, I found there was a bit of a surge in sales after opening again, possibly because suddenly all sorts of Canadian sellers were back on line and showing up in more searches, I really don't know. 

My opinion is that there is even more reason this time to close down and wait out the strike.  The reasons have been discussed at length on the boards recently, so I won't repeat them here.  

Suffice it to say that with eBay's increased control over the seller-buyer relationship, and more restrictive seller punishment, there are just too many risks for me to feel comfortable staying open.  I also feel that if I can't deliver items to my buyers in a timely manner at a reasonable price, there is little point in leaving my store open in any case. 

If you have a large volume business, you might be able to absorb a few unresolved cases that arise, either as a direct or indirect result of the strike, but most of us "boutique" sellers don't have that luxury.  

EBay has said it is leaving the adjudicating of postal-related seller issues in the hands of Customer Service, after Canada Post is back in operation.  They tell us CS will be made "well aware" of those issues.  I simply don't have the kind of faith in eBay Customer Service that would justify leaving the future of my business in their hands.  Losing income, as much as it will be a hardship, is less of an evil for me than losing my ability to sell here.  But each seller has to make his/her own decision.  

[momcqueen]

I'm staying open and using Local Pickup for local sales, couriers for domestic, and daytrips south to use USPS for international sales.

[psychoticcomics]

I'm with Canada Post and CPC is not allowed to do whatever it wants. The company has already sent us the conditions we will be working in after friday. The Canadian labor laws have kicked in to keep most things status quo

[fashionoutletdeal]

So in your opinion even a "vacation " mode wouldnt be a good option at this moment?Or maybe thats what you mean by closing the stores.Im sorry im new on eBay and im trying to learn from more experienced people then myself.And as well i also dont have any faith in eBay customer service.They always punish the seller no matter of the situation.Recently we have spoken on the phone with them and they agreed with us and then next day we receive an email with the exact opposite thing of what they agreed at first.We would be very thankful if you can provide us with any information from your own experience,because it seems that we are in a way in the same boat.Thank you very much

[fashionoutletdeal]

And what will you do?