02-06-2013 02:47 PM
Anybody else get invited to this?
They deal with all customs forms, etc by shipping to a US address? Feedback is protected from low ratings etc?
What the heck are they talking about?
I said yes, and now they are going to revise all my listings. I don't understand this nebulous program. Can anybody sum it up gracefully?
Thank you!
05-20-2013 08:05 PM
BTW . . .
Here's a few examples of the correct and incorrect use of the GSP
This is a 45 lb item that ships for $140 to Canada via USPS Priority Mail International direct. This seller uses the GSP but listed the shipping at $37.30 to Canada, which reflects the actual U.S. domestic cost of shipping to Pitney in Kentucky. This is the way it's supposed to work. Canadians save big-time on shipping because it's a domestic "within the U.S." rate, but break even (or perhaps even save a bit) on the total cost because of the reduced shipping costs. I've seen other sellers list the shipping at $100 or more for this item via the GSP, whereas $37.50 is indeed the correct U.S. domestic rate to Kentucky. I would definitely bid on this item if I didn't already own the same amp:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/390598309816
Edit: The actual shipping listed for this item is $45.06 . . . I think it might have changed literally as I posted the last message, but regardless . . . being accurate is only fair. Still, the $40 to $50 U.S. domestic range using the GSP is bang-on.
05-21-2013 09:44 AM
I ran into this for the first time on a couple of parts model airplane engines for which I wouldn't normally have to pay duty. I contacted the seller and he wants nothing to do with this scam, but doesn't know how he got involved with it or how to turn it off. I have been using e-bay for about 10 years and things like this seem to be killing it off, which is really unfortunate. There are far fewer private individuals listing things for sale these days. I stopped a couple of years ago after giving away a bunch of things for next to nothing because, unknown to me, the listings went in as "ships to Canada only."
Simon
05-21-2013 10:19 AM
sgblake......... sellers sign onto the program because it's right there in their face offering various perks for using the GSP.
Most have no idea what they're doing.
If an item has bids the seller can no longer opt out of the program.
However, if you win you can pay the seller directly from paypal thus avoiding the GSP.
Doing that messes with the ebay system a bit.............. your item shows as unpaid etc., but really.........
We're here to buy and sell.
The End.
05-22-2013 03:08 AM
This 8 lb item is listed via the GSP, but the shipping rate is the same as it would cost to ship direct via USPS Priority Mail International to Canada without the GSP "domestics savings". The USPS price is indeed the $40.31 the seller listed, but in fact, it will only cost him/her about $15 or $20 to ship to Kentucky. Notice the item is offered as "Free shipping within the U.S.". Why not offer free shipping for foreign sellers as well seeing as the item only has to go to Kentucky??? Last time I checked, "Free shipping within the U.S" and "Free shipping to Kentucky" were one and the same:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/140979677958
The $40 shipping that you see is not what the seller will receive or what they charged.
The shipping price on gsp listings includes the shipping price the seller has listed AND the amount that ebay has added on for the international shipping portion.
http://pages.ebay.ca/help/buy/shipping-globally.html
During checkout, you'll see the final charges, which include the item price, the shipping charges (both domestic and international), and any import charges. The shipping charges include any US domestic shipping fees charged by the seller, as well as program fees, international shipping charges, fuel surcharges, and processing and handling fees.
Just as a fyi...The gsp listings state shipping is International Priority Shipping which is just a generic term so they could be using USPS, UPS, FedEx etc. If they were specifically using USPS Priority International, it would state USPS.
05-22-2013 03:29 AM
This 8 lb item is listed via the GSP, but the shipping rate is the same as it would cost to ship direct via USPS Priority Mail International to Canada without the GSP "domestics savings". The USPS price is indeed the $40.31 the seller listed, but in fact, it will only cost him/her about $15 or $20 to ship to Kentucky. Notice the item is offered as "Free shipping within the U.S.". Why not offer free shipping for foreign sellers as well seeing as the item only has to go to Kentucky??? Last time I checked, "Free shipping within the U.S" and "Free shipping to Kentucky" were one and the same:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/140979677958
The $40 shipping that you see is not what the seller will receive or what they charged.
The shipping price on gsp listings includes the shipping price the seller has listed AND the amount that ebay has added on for the international shipping portion.
http://pages.ebay.ca/help/buy/shipping-globally.html
During checkout, you'll see the final charges, which include the item price, the shipping charges (both domestic and international), and any import charges. The shipping charges include any US domestic shipping fees charged by the seller, as well as program fees, international shipping charges, fuel surcharges, and processing and handling fees.
Just as a fyi...The gsp listings state shipping is International Priority Shipping which is just a generic term so they could be using USPS, UPS, FedEx etc. If they were specifically using USPS Priority International, it would state USPS.
Nebulous explanation at best.
How much does eBay charge the seller? The buyer also pays "handling, processing and extra charges". Why does one seller charge $45 to ship a 45 lb amp via the GSP and another charges $40 to ship an 8 lb guitar pedal? What's the exact breakdown? How much of the purported "eBay seller shipping charges" are recovered by the 50% reduction in FVF.
Sorry . . . doesn't fly with me. It's costing U.S. sellers way less to ship their items to Kentucky than if they shipped direct internationally.
So, the savings MUST BE passed on to the buyer. Period! If they're not, it's abuse of the system. End of story.
BTW--I just asked that same seller to lower his shipping price to reflect the savings of shipping to Kentucky. His response was [paraphrased], "I'm too busy to spend time filling out customs forms, even the ones I have to use to ship to Pitney. So, the rate stands". When I wrote back that he was saving a ton on shipping and FVF's, and it would be to his benefit to post a fair listing cost so I could bid and wouldn't be paying a total of $70 to $75 shipping/tax/charges for a guitar pedal, his response was, "Sorry again. I won't change the rate, but be well."
Never once did he deny he was charging an inflated shipping cost, even when it was spelled out in black and white for him.
My final message said something to the effect, "Why would you list internationally, then? Oh . . . it's because you make an extra $15 to $20 on shipping, and save 50% on FVF's if some sucker outside the U.S. buys the item." His reply: "No comment"
If you have exact facts to the opposite about the GSP, please enlighten us . . .
05-22-2013 07:51 AM
""" My final message said something to the effect, "Why would you list internationally, then? Oh . . . it's because you make an extra $15 to $20 on shipping, and save 50% on FVF's if some sucker outside the U.S. buys the item." His reply: "No comment"""""
That's a good question, but there are many ways that sellers list that make you wonder why they don't just block all International sales......... not just the GSP.
Maybe they don't block international sales because.......
Items get a boost in the search coupled with the fact (as you said) that some International buyers are easy prey and don't ask about shipping prior to bidding.
I'm still completely puzzled as to why ebay is allowing P-B to meddle in so many transactions via the GSP.
It's so glaringly clear that the GSP is hated by buyers.
That was so predictable.
So why doesn't ebay care?
They had to know before introducing the program.
It's their business to know, and clearly they are good at what they do.
If you think it's bad for Canadians, it's much much worse for other countries.
My own theory is that International transactions are high cost to ebay because they require more phone calls, cases, canceled transactions etc.............. and.........
It's a calculated risk on their part:
They are willing to sacrifice some of those sales because the cost of maintaining them is higher than the money they make if FVFs etc.
How else does this program make sense?
It might be encouraging sellers to list internationally who wouldn't do so otherwise......... but at what cost?
05-22-2013 05:26 PM
It seems that if a GSP purchased item ever had to be returned and the buyer refunded full costs, it would involve a dispute and more complications.
http://forums.ebay.com/db1/topic/Seller-Protection/Whats-Up-With/5200153355
05-22-2013 07:01 PM
i'm-still-here,
Most US sellers that are listed as just shipping to the US are happy to send to Canada when asked. A couple have appreciated a little help and guidance to the appropriate USPS links and quickly figure it out, then i can bid on the item. It seems like the GSP has been designed to get in easy, but hard to get out for unsavvy sellers.
05-23-2013 02:13 PM
Never once did he deny he was charging an inflated shipping cost, even when it was spelled out in black and white for him.
I don't know why the seller had that reaction. He could have been thinking of the shipping cost he listed for non GSP countries or perhaps he just didn't want to argue or explain his rates. Some people just want to argue unless the answer is in their favor so the seller might have thought it was best just to move on. Just a guess.
Anyway...the seller is not obligated to explain their shipping charges to you just like you are not obligated to buy from him.
Or...the seller might not understand how the GPS works...I've seen lots of questions from sellers on the U.S. boards who opted in but who don't understand how it all works.
I did some research on the U.S. powerseller board yesterday and talked to a couple of sellers who opted in to the GSP. I will post a link to the thread but you can only get to that board if you are a powerseller so I will also give a summary of the conversation here.
http://forums.ebay.com/db1/topic/Powersellers-Discussion-Board/A-Question-For/5200155648?#msg5102122691
When a seller who is in the gsp does a listing, they fill out the domestic shipping information. If they ship to countries that are not available in the program, they also list a shipping price for those countries. The seller does not enter a shipping cost for GSP countries and they do not have the option of doing so.
The GSP automatically uses the sellers lowest domestic shipping cost then adds on the international shipping cost and probably some extra fees as well. The program decides which shipping method will be used from Kentucky and what the charge will be...the seller has no input into that.
I do think that in some cases a listing with GSP can work out to be the same cost as if a seller had sent the item directly because the program gets better shipping rates. In some cases, the GSP can work out to be the less expensive option and of course it can also end up being the most expensive option.
So it's possible that if a buyer does their due diligence they may find that it is better to use GSP in some situations. But unless you are familiar with USPS rates & services, it may be difficult and time consuming to figure that out. Unless I really want a particular item, I don't know if I would bother to figure it out or just move on to another seller.
05-23-2013 04:11 PM
I do think that in some cases a listing with GSP can work out to be the same cost as if a seller had sent the item directly because the program gets better shipping rates. In some cases, the GSP can work out to be the less expensive option and of course it can also end up being the most expensive option.
Yup . . . that's exactly what I found. The "all-totaled" breakdowns I cited were approximate, but very close: About 30% cheaper with GSP, about 30% the same, and about 40% more expensive.
And to be fair, as cited on the other thread, one of the reasons buyers don't like the GSP is that it forces them to pay tax and customs processing. I can't in good conscience use that to oppose the GSP, but it is a fact that most buyers would probably prefer to let their own country determine what they pay . . . unless of course, there's a significant saving in base shipping costs and they get dinged for tax every time (as is the case in Europe apparently).
Still, from a buyer's POV, it's still a mystery as to why eBay got into the customs/tax processing business in the first place. We know Canadian sellers are being charged fees & tax for items under $20 (which are exempt), so that could point to a "tip of the iceberg". What else is going on behind the scenes that made the GSP such an attractive structure to implement. It sure seems even Power Sellers aren't quite sure where the money is going or how costs are being determined.
05-23-2013 05:07 PM
"We know Canadian sellers are being charged fees & tax for items under $20 (which are exempt),"
I do not mean to contradict you but we do NOT know that.
Assumptions have been made.
From every fact I have seen, no tax is charged by Pitney Bowes for imports under $20 (unless they are the exceptions to the exemptions).
What folks see is a handling fee from Pitney Bowes and many seem to "assume" that means tax (GST/HST/PST). We all know what "assume" means.
05-23-2013 05:39 PM
The items C20.00 and under have import charges of about 3.40. Then around C20.01 an extra 6.50 is added on , so about 10.00 import charges.
05-23-2013 05:56 PM
A comparison
Shipping the same book from the US to Canada, without and with the GSP..
and then from Canada to the US.
(1) US to Canada
Shipping was $40.84 for USPS International Priority
with a GSP cost of $50.56 for a book priced at $375.00 US
(2) Canada to the US
Canada Post Xpresspost USA was $40.00 to the US
includes insurance and signature.... This was a highly collectable book sold by me very quickly for $195.00...
Had a second highly collectable book, also limited edition by this same author... this second book also sold for $195.00 with the same shipping consideration.
Both books sold very quickly within one week of being listed.
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It would appear that the US seller is charging for shipping to Canada, and NOT to the GSP destination in the US.
This could be a part of the problem with the GSP program.. Sellers do not understand they should be shipping to the GSP location in the US....
Shipping using USPS to Winnipeg, Canada, without the GSP, was listed as $40.84 and was about the same as shipping from Canada to the US which was $40.00 (the same for all US destinations)
05-23-2013 06:31 PM
i think this is just a way for ebay to suck every last cent out of you,and its great that it not avalible in canada
ebay probably owns this so called Global shipping?
05-23-2013 06:48 PM
cumos, I think that 40.84 is the GSPs and the sellers shipping charges combined, but not necessarily USPS charges. It does seem to give the appearance of USPS with the "International Priority Shipping to....", but I think the GSP contracts their shipping out to other shippers. Interestng example.
05-23-2013 06:53 PM
"import charges of about 3.40."
That is correct. A handling fee of $3.40 is charged. It has nothing to do with taxes nor Customs clearance.
05-23-2013 07:21 PM
"import charges of about 3.40."
That is correct. A handling fee of $3.40 is charged. It has nothing to do with taxes nor Customs clearance.
All this could be true, but I don't understand why and how anyone could defend the GSP from a Canadian or International buyer's point of view. Not being contradictory, but your U.S. buyers would blow a gasket if everything they bought from out-of-country was always subject to tax, processing charges and whatever duty.
As it is, U.S. buyers pay nothing extra when they buy from out of country. Why would anyone think it's okay to force that on Canadians or International buyers? It's not like we don't have enough on our hands with tax, customs and charges already????
05-23-2013 07:27 PM
I had assumed that the GSP charge was in addition to what the seller had stated as shipping.... Two separate prices are indicated in the listing.
So for that one book the total would be about $90
Another US seller with the same book...with no GSP
with two shipping options both USPS..to Canada
First Class Mail Intl / First Class Package Intl Service for $27.35
USPS Priority Mail International for $35.30
Shipping to US destinations is Free.... media mail with extra insurance, perhaps... or another USPS option fully insured... I am not familiar with USPS options....
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and for that GSP book
The GST for shipping to Manitoba should have been 5% of $375.00 or $18.75.
The numbers never seem to agree based on our many suppositions of the many components that make up the GSP charges....
05-24-2013 04:15 AM
It would appear that the US seller is charging for shipping to Canada, and NOT to the GSP destination in the US.
Cumos, if you read post 228 there is a link to a discussion about how a seller handles the shipping for GSP. The seller does not enter a price at all for GSP countries. The system takes the sellers domestic shipping rate and adds it to the rate that they want to charge from Kentucky. Those two numbers are combined and listed under shipping cost.
That first listing that you mentioned...I see an import charge of $23.01. Do you still see the charge as $50.56?
05-24-2013 05:40 AM
I see the $50.56 and base shipping is International Priority shipping at the $40.84 value..
Domestic shipping should be media mail or an equivalent with insurance....
Do the following
Go to the ....Shipping and Payments ... page ....and enter Canada and the postal code for the University of Manitoba, R3T 2N2, and you should get that $50.56 number....
Where you live should affect that number....
This is the listing with the $375.00 Price...
as Per reply 237... International priority shipping for that listing was $35.30 and very close to the $40.84 value....