Comments about the Global Shipping Program

Feel free to share your thoughts about the Global Shipping Program here. 

 

A few questions to get the ball rolling:

 

  • What has worked well for you with the Global Shipping Program?
  • Any ideas to help improve the experience for Canadian buyers?
  • What has deterred you from buying items offered using the Global Shipping Program?
  • How have you managed to search for items outside the program?

Please try & keep the comments constructive 🙂

 

If you have any questions about the program, please post them here.

~Kalvin
eBay.ca Community Manager

kalvin@ebay.com

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@heritagemarket1 wrote:

I will not buy from a seller who subscribes willfully or otherwise to eBay's Global Shipping Program. Into Canada, it charges an import duty on everything ...


No it doesn't.


@heritagemarket1 wrote:

 

And eBay now charging the Final Value based on the selling price PLUS the shipping costs.....absolutely immoral, unfair and  'cruel'.......shame on you.!!!!I 

 


Final Value Fees have been charged on shipping costs for some time now.  However, if U.S. sellers are listing their items properly--with or without the GSP--they won't be charged FVF on their international shipping charges.


@heritagemarket1 wrote:

I would like to understand if others agree with my beliefs?

 


While I agree that the GSP charges for taxes (GST/PST/HST) that Canadian buyers may not be accustomed to paying for what Canada Border Services calls "casual imports," duties don't always come into the picture.  What you also may not realize is that sometimes the GSP offers a better price on handling taxes collected than Canada Post does.

 

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How can ebay collect import fees for Canada?

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no marnotom we don't pay those fees you are talking about.
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@supersales2u wrote:
no marnotom we don't pay those fees you are talking about.

I'm not following your statement.  I need more context on which to go.

 

You do realize that "casual" imports with a declared value of over C$20 can be taxed, right?  Even if they're sent by mail.

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Where does it say it can be taxed ?


@marnotom! wrote:

@supersales2u wrote:
no marnotom we don't pay those fees you are talking about.

I'm not following your statement.  I need more context on which to go.

 

You do realize that "casual" imports with a declared value of over C$20 can be taxed, right?  Even if they're sent by mail.


 

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"Where does it say it can be taxed ?"

 

That official link from the Canadian government has been offered several times before but here it is:

 

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/postal-postale/duty-droits-eng.html

 

This has nothing to do with GSP.

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@pierrelebel wrote:

"Where does it say it can be taxed ?"

 

That official link from the Canadian government has been offered several times before but here it is:

 

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/postal-postale/duty-droits-eng.html

 

This has nothing to do with GSP.


The issue there is that PBI (with eBay as proxy) is collecting tax/duty on items under $20 (as mentioned by your link). If PBI/eBay was operating correctly under the provisions of the law, the "Import Fees" would be zero for an item that is $19.99 or less and there'd just be raw shipping costs. With this in mind, I think the GSP is less of a direct tax/duty collecting mechanism and more of an insurance against tax/duty that the premiums are designed to cover "If in the event you need to pay, the GSP as an insurance programme will cover you...".

 

Given this, it makes less sense to look at the GSP as shipping charges and more of an insurance plan, so it has everything to do with the GSP as an insurance programme (not a shipping programme). Yes, on certain items, taking out that "insurance" makes sense as there's an increased chance that the policy will need to be claimed against. PBI is essentially acting as an insurance broker in all of this where even if you don't need to cash in on an insurance plan, your premiums are still collected and they are never refunded in the event it turns out your item isn't taxable/dutiable (like how you can file a claim with Customs asserting you were incorrectly taxed/dutied)

 

So the question should be asked: Why is the GSP not being marketed as an insurance plan despite acting like one? (If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, it's most likely a duck).

 

I think marketing it as insurance (for buyers, this is an important thing, the seller has remarkably little to do with the programme) would actually clear up a lot of misconceptions to sellers.

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Why is everyone highjacking my thread? I do not mean to be disrespectful, but the purpose of my original post was to discuss MY experience with the GSP. Experience that turned out to be really good. It was NOT to complain about the program. There are enough threads that are created every day for that purpose. Am I overreacting here?

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"The issue there is that PBI (with eBay as proxy) is collecting tax/duty on items under $20"

 

???

 

I have not read one single report of taxes or duty collected by PB for shipment valued at less than $20, not a single one.

 

However, PB does charge Canadian buyers - and that is a real problem - a handling fee of $4/$5 per small shipment, regardless of value, even when no tax is payable. That "import fee" for small transactions is just that: a fee to PB, nothing to do with taxes or duty.

 

As stated several times by many posters and eBay, American sellers should not use GSP for those small transactions.

 

eBay has done a poor job educating American sellers on the use of GSP.  It was never intended for small transactions.  Instead eBay was too busy enrolling American sellers in the program, offering incentives to join (such as discount on FVF) instead of properly informing them how the program would affect buyers in small transactions.

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@kxeron wrote:

The issue there is that PBI (with eBay as proxy) is collecting tax/duty on items under $20 (as mentioned by your link). If PBI/eBay was operating correctly under the provisions of the law, the "Import Fees" would be zero for an item that is $19.99 or less and there'd just be raw shipping costs. 


You're assuming that all the "import charges" are are taxes and duty, and they're not.  The Terms and Conditions for buyers claim that there are various clearance and processing fees that get folded into those charges.  (See 3.b.ii)

 

In other words, just because an item isn't taxable doesn't mean that it doesn't go through the same customs clearance processes as an item that's worth ten times as much.

 

Actually, I haven't see "import charges" as a line item on a sub C$20 item listed with the GSP for some time because those clearance charges have now been folded into the shipping charge.  I guess too many people complained that they were getting "taxed" on very low-value items through the GSP.  I think this is an unfortunate development because it makes the GSP's charges even less transparent now.

 

 

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How can ebay collect import fees for Canada?

 

By telling sellers who are signed up for the Global Shipping Program not to ship until all those applicable fees are paid.


You do realize that foreign companies collect and remit Canadian taxes and duties all the time and have for years, even centuries? If you order from LL Bean, the appropriate duty and tax will be remitted to Canada, even if they are not spelled out on the invoice. And if you do look at the invoice, LL Bean's GST number will be printed on it.

 

Companies that do this work for the government even get paid to do so. This includes the corner store where you buy magazines and lottery tickets. The payment is in the form of a rebate on the tax collected that has to be remitted.

 

 

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How can ebay collect import fees for Canada?

 

 

The fees are in that part of the money that you pay to PB, not ebay, for the reshipping, and they are held by the shipper till they are paid to the customs poeple when the items are imported.

 

There is no way to collect them after the packages have been cleared inwards so they have to be collected in advance. eBay does not handle this money at all. Packages are imported in bulk, not individually.

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this program is not going to survive, it has been 3,4 months since its inception and against it bad experience keep on coming on all fronts.

 

Myself i now spend 98% of my allocated spending $ on private site and/or locally, it use to be 50/50. GSP is the main cause of your lost of business.

 

It is simply not worth my time to try to decipher GSP sellers and non.

 

 

 

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"his program is not going to survive, it has been 3,4 months since its inception"

 

Facts are available. 

 

GSP has been offered by US sellers for over one year.

 

Posted August 22nd 2012 on eBay.com announcement board (updated November 1st 2012 and January 2013):

 

Great news! A new Global Shipping Program, now being tested, will help you expand your sales to millions of eager international buyers. By enrolling for FREE in this program, you’ll be able sell to buyers in multiple countries, but ship your packages to a shipping center located in the US—this means you’re only responsible for the domestic leg of shipping!

Once your item arrives at the designated US shipping center, the Global Shipping Program then takes care of ALL facets of international parcel processing, including:

  • Completion of customs forms
  • Remitting applicable import charges pre-paid by your buyer
  • Shipping the package on to the buyer—with full end-to-end international tracking!

Your shipping-related Detailed Seller Ratings will be protected, and you are not responsible for loss or damage during international transit. This program is great for buyers, too, as they’ll see the complete and total price of the purchase up-front—during checkout—so they won’t be surprised by additional taxes or duties when the item arrives.

 

- See more at: http://announcements.ebay.com/2012/11/attention-sellers-upcoming-program-will-make-selling-internati...

http://announcements.ebay.com/2012/11/attention-sellers-upcoming-program-will-make-selling-internati...

 

Although I do not like it and may not use it,  yes GSP will survive because it is successful in increasing transactions for sellers - and FVF for eBay - despite many buyers complaints although I expect many improvements to the program including better education for the many American sellers who should not be offering the program due to the nature of the products they offer or their value.

 

You may want to spend a minute or two and take a look at the message from the head of eBay.ca today on the "Weekly Hour" thread

 

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A word from senior management at eBay.ca

 

Earlier today, during the "weekly hour" with eBay's staff, I posted the following :

 

In the last few months, I would guess that half the posts on eBay.ca discussion boards relate to GSP with most Canadian buyers left unsatisfied with their experience.

 

What is eBay.ca doing to improve the situation?  Is it something Canadians will have to live with or can we expect changes or improvements to minimize some of the problems?

 

What is eBay.com doing to better educate American sellers on the value of GSP - when to use it and how it affects buyers?

 

The question of clarity has often been raised.  What are eBay, Pitney-Bowes and PayPal doing to improve the issue where buyers would know exactly how much is charged for transportation, how much is charged for duty, how much is charged for HST/GST/PST, how much is charged as a "handling fee"?

 


The post was answered by the country manager of eBay.ca :

 

"Great questions. The idea of the Global Shipping Program is a great one but the execution on that program is not as good as what we would like just yet.

 

My team in Canada has been working closely with our US-based counterparts to find ways to make it more attractive to both buyers and sellers. We have been sharing both quantitative data around listing conversion and buyer performance, but much more importantly, also the qualitative responses and reactions of our buyers. Whether it comes from the boards here, emails and calls we have received, surveys, etc., we have been sharing the findings with the US teams.

 

We are working on plans to make product improvements along the lines of what buyers have been asking for, and to drive both cost and ship time out of the solution. We're paying attention. 🙂

 

I'm not as close to what is happenening with seller eduction, but I believe that is an active area as well. From the way the program was introduced to sellers, the majority of sellers who you see adopting the program are sellers who were previously not exporters, so we're growing the inventory and selection available to Canadians. Now just need to make it work better. A buyer opt-out, for example, is something we are hoping to be able to do (still not firm on those plans though)." 

 

in a later post about clarity:

 

"What we've heard from different buyers in difference scenarios is that they would like to see a split between shipping, taxes, duties (where applicable) and handling/brokerage fees. eBay's Global Shipping team is working with our vendor to see how easy or difficult it would be to pull those values apart for our buyers. They are also looking at the complexity for our own systems, to see what would be involved. "

 

Link to the thread:

http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Weekly-Board-Hour-Session/November-13th-Weekly-Board-Hour/m-p/165187#U16...

 

 

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I hope this Manager of the Canadian site has the pull, to add an option to the users settings a way to search items by USA sellers that Do Not Use GSP, So we in Canada can easily opt out sellers using GSP.

 

But saying this i have a feeling that this option would be the last thing they want to do, as its going against what they are trying to accomplish. 

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Why do you not ask him directly?

 

Every Wednesday "Weekly Hour" at 1:00pm (Eastern)

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I guess because its a question that he cannot answer at this time, meaning its not a yes or no answer it a wait and see what develops.. i just put it out there, as i know others have.

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I think all in all after much venting and complaining IF they changed just one thing I wouldn't care about the GSP program..

 

THey should have to tell you before you buy what all the extra fees your gonna pay will total..

 

I mean one Item I was wondering about had $10 shipping I called to talk to them and got a estimate ..

 

Although it showed $10 shipping I would have been directly charged without notice $650 extra for shipping through GSP ..

 

Granted this is about what it would cost even if the seller did not use GSP  I atleast would have known instead of just opening my paypal acount one day only to See a $650 cahrge to my account

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I've only ordered one item through GSP, and it was the last.

 

The seller I bought from told me the they take extra care in packing items. I believed them because of their 100% feedback and user comments. However, when it came to me, Pitney Bowes decided to destroy the nice packing. It came in a loosely padded envelope, and it was NOT even sealed properly.

 

They put a half-assed tape job on the top and it was open when my items arrived. The packaged said fragile all over it, but they smashed it to hell. There were so many holes in the envelope I literally grrrrrrrrr'd at it.

 

One of my items was damaged and cracked. I gave it the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see what this is all about... ;however, now I know Pitney Bowes doesn't care about my goods.

 

I will avoid all sellers who use this from now on.

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