09-26-2013 10:34 AM - edited 09-26-2013 10:39 AM
Feel free to share your thoughts about the Global Shipping Program here.
A few questions to get the ball rolling:
Please try & keep the comments constructive 🙂
If you have any questions about the program, please post them here.
12-11-2015 11:00 AM
12-11-2015 04:35 PM
In addition to the forced payment of a GST that won't be levied by CRA since it costs more to collect than the money the government gets, the delay caused by sending it to Kentucky, and the higher shipping cost than straight USPS there is another one.
Pitney Bowes loses things.
Case in point last month I received two identical boxes the same day with exactly the same Pitney Bowes label.
Box 1 contained my item - left feedback to seller who said unfortunately it's a lot of work to get rid of GSP after an auction closes but easy for him to do before, in this case it was a timing issue as I usually ask a seller to change from GSP before the auction closes.
Box 2 contained a car door handle destined to a fellow in Tennessee from a seller in Pennsylvania. I traced down an e-mail address for the seller and let them know what happened to their order with the order number, no way to contact buyer. Took back to the post office and told them to return it to Pitney Bowes as 'delivery refused'.
Then got emails from eBay wanting to know why I refused delivery. Explained I had MY item and it was now Pitney Bowes problem. Then ebay asked me to go to the post office to 'help them find where this should go'. Explained again 1. Post office already returned it to Pitney Bowes, I don't have it any more and 2. NOT MY PROBLEM, it's eBay's and Pitney Bowes' problem, plus of course the poor guy in Tennesee.
12-11-2015 04:54 PM
"destined to a fellow in Tennessee from a seller in Pennsylvania"
There was no reason for that parcel to ever go to Pitney Bowes. It was a mistake by the seller, nobody else.
12-11-2015 11:41 PM
I'm sorry if I post this again but I cannot find my post anymore and I also cannot find the answer as there are TONS of reply to sort and search...
I bought an item on ebay.ca for 180USD (245.97CAD). Shipping in the auction was 11.32USD (15.38CAD) and import charges were 14.06USD (no conversion).
I ended up with 180USD (245.97CAD) being charged on my paypal and 24.99USD (34.15CAD) from pitney bowes for a total of 204.99USD.
Unfortunately, the item was defective. I ask the seller to return the item, he accepted and proceeded to the refund. I did receive later that day a message on my ebay message center that the seller did refund me 204.99USD to my paypal account with a paypal transaction ID.
When I log in to my paypal, I did receive a refund of 180USD (245.97CAD) alright but I never receive the 24.99USD (34.15CAD) from pitnet bowes. Ebay stated that the refund was 204.99USD but I only received 180USD.
I called ebay over the phone, they confirm that the refund was 204.99USD and also confirm by the seller over the ebay message center.
Ebay tells me to contact paypal which I did. Paypal stated that the refund was for 180USD and not 204.99USD. When I tried to give them the paypal transaction id for the 204.99USD refund provided from ebay, they refused to hear that number. The case was close. I had to push really hard to get to another level.
That other person tells me that the seller never actually receive the 24.99USD and that amount was sent directly to pitney bowes. I need to claim this money to pitney bowes. Now pitney bowes has my 24.99USD from my purchace + another 24.99USD refunded from ebay ??? that makes no sense at all...
The question is: when you buy an item on ebay.ca and you get a full refund as stated by the ebay message and paypal transaction id that I cannot get to be verified by paypal that is supposed to include the total amount of the item + shipping, you simply lose the amount sent to pitney bowes for the GSP ?
So I lost 24.99USD (34.15CAD) shopping on ebay for a defective item. Is that how the GSP works with pitney bowes ?
It is SO complicated to get a clear answer and specially get your money back that buyers will let go and lose their money...
I'm sorry to ask this again if it has already been answer but I cannot find a clear answer ?
My comment after all is : that program is very badly formulated and cost us a lot of money and lose money when we get a "refund"...
12-12-2015 10:26 AM
12-12-2015 12:09 PM
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@highspeedsteve wrote:
This global shipping junk is **bleep**..i phoned ebay today but the filipino woman didn't know what to tell me.Times are tough (unemployed atm) and funds are tight.I bought a used cell phone for my daughter for christmas.I'm in canada and it going to take a few weeks to get here.Seller is great and shipped next day with ups.Cost me almost 16 bucks US to travel 2 states and now its sits for over a day in KY at the STUPID global shipping center.And somehow ? the STUPID import charges at action end gove from a bit over 8 bucks US to over 14 ? Been a member since 2001 and never had anything but good to say till this scam.Its like spinning a wheel to see what the final costs will be.
12-12-2015 12:32 PM
I have just purchased an item covered by the "global shipment program",
and have many of the same questions you have brought up, particulary
on the customs charge ebay has come up with.
It seems that ebay has decided to take a page from the couriers' book.
For example, UPS, will, if you don't object, charge you a customs brokerage fee
on any U.S. shipment received in Canada, despite the fact they don't
actually undertake any effort to properly classify any shipment for the
appropriate customs category. And despite having never been hired
by you to be your broker.
When it happens with a courier, I just tell the driver or support personnel
that I will broker the shipment myself. This is easy to do. You just pick
up the necessary document from the courier, take it to customs (in the
same building as the UPS depot where I live) fill out the customs
form (all classification information readily is available online - look it up
before you go).
Just about everything I get shipped to me is either
exempt from duty, or the duty is not charged in the end by customs.
This is just a cash grab by the couriers, and I've been able to avoid it
so far as detailed above.
ebay seems to be both charging you fees (supposed taxes, duties, etc.)
which it has no responsibility to determine or collect, and leaving you on
the hook for actual taxes and duties which may be collected by the actual
agency with the responsibility to determine and collect them.
Does anyone else think it is time to start a class action suit against
ebay, and perhaps the couriers?
12-12-2015 12:53 PM
"Does anyone else think it is time to start a class action suit against ebay, and perhaps the couriers?"
You should start your "class action" against the Canadian federal government as it is Canadian laws requiring carriers to collect consumption tax (GST/HST/PST) for items coming into Canada with a value of Cdn$ 20.00 or more.
The same rules apply to the postal service but, as we all know, parcels coming by mail with relatively low value are often cleared without taxes being collected, more so since the federal government cut the staff level at the Border Agency many years ago.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/postal-postale/duty-droits-eng.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-job-cuts-tracking-the-rollout-1.1138401
Let us not blame eBay or the carriers for obeying the laws of Canada.
12-12-2015 01:22 PM
"I'm sorry to ask this again if it has already been answer but I cannot find a clear answer ?"
As you are aware, there is a technical issue at this time with the "Questions" thread where recent posts (last few days) are not shown. Hopefully the people at Lithium who administer these boards under contract from eBay will resolve the issue soon. They are aware of it.
Back to your post, the information you receive from eBay is correct: you are entitled to two refunds through PayPal:
1) from the seller (received)
2) from Pitney Bowes (not received)
The folks at PayPal gave you the wrong information twice (currency and eligibility).
At this point you have two choices:
1) Call PayPal again and ask to speak to a supervisor. In fact, insist (politely of course!) to speak to a supervisor, preferably someone familiar with GSP.
2) If that call fails to resolve the problem quickly, go back to the PayPal page where the charge was issued and paid to Pitney Bowes and file a claim against Pitney Bowes for non-receipt.
It should not be necessary for Canadian buyers to have to beg for our money when things go wrong but... we do not live in a perfect world and many eBay and PayPal employees are not always aware of how to deal with issues faced by Canadian users.
12-12-2015 02:37 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
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Back to your post, the information you receive from eBay is correct: you are entitled to two refunds through PayPal:
1) from the seller (received)
2) from Pitney Bowes (not received)
The folks at PayPal gave you the wrong information twice (currency and eligibility).
At this point you have two choices:
1) Call PayPal again and ask to speak to a supervisor. In fact, insist (politely of course!) to speak to a supervisor, preferably someone familiar with GSP.
2) If that call fails to resolve the problem quickly, go back to the PayPal page where the charge was issued and paid to Pitney Bowes and file a claim against Pitney Bowes for non-receipt.
It should not be necessary for Canadian buyers to have to beg for our money when things go wrong but... we do not live in a perfect world and many eBay and PayPal employees are not always aware of how to deal with issues faced by Canadian users.
Thanks for your reply ! I will have to try your suggestion #1 but as of this moment, I did not have great success over the phone...
As for your suggestion #2, I can clearly see the section of the pitney bowes that I did not get a refund and when I try to pick this transaction, I get an error message saying that this transaction was already refund and there cannot be another claim... The pitney bowes transaction is grouped (but can be selected separaterly) with the ebay transaction...
I did try this suggestion #2 again as this would be way more easy for me not to speak with someone over the phone... but no luck... still says the transaction is refunded (which is not according to the message receive from ebay with the paypal transaction id for a refund of 204.99USD)...
Thanks again for your help... I'll give paypal a call again...
12-12-2015 04:29 PM
12-12-2015 06:53 PM
Thank you for the update. Hopefully things will work out this time.
12-14-2015 01:18 PM
12-14-2015 01:34 PM
"Purolator, but they are a Canadian division of UPS"
Not quite. Purolator is a division of Canada Post, 100% owned by Canadians.
12-15-2015 12:25 AM
Hello '8144todd',
<< In Canada use........ DHL... - Big thumbs up>>
You gave DHL a "Big thumbs up" ? . . . Why?
Since the crux of your gripe seems to be that "there are always extra shipping and brokerage fees",
what would have you applauding DHL which charges not only "brokerage" but adds a further fee for "processing",
which most other places have the decency to wad up into a single ball of cost for themselves. It might make DHL
charges for "brokerage" or their "processing fee" appear smaller, but until you total it, it's just a mirage.
You're entitled to your opinion, I'm simply curious as to why you would prefer DHL to, say, Canada Post.
12-15-2015 08:54 AM
Ebay does not provide any G.S.T/H.S.T. number when charging their import fees, a legal requirement if you are actually collecting these taxes. Not providing this information is an indication that they are not actually collecting/paying this tax. The disclaimer built into the explanation of what the import fee is for (that the customer is on the hook for any taxes and duties assessed by customs) also seems to put the lie to this argument.
Ebay is not responsible for determining or collecting any applicable duties, yet they are charging a fee which they purport may be to cover the costs of doing so. The description they give for what their import fee may cover is so vague and nebulous that it is impossible to determine what they are charging for.
Class action, anyone?
12-15-2015 09:19 AM
"Ebay does not provide any G.S.T/H.S.T. number when charging their import fees, a legal requirement if you are actually collecting these taxes"
Maybe you should take the time to read the replies given by eBay years ago on this thread to this question.
eBay is legally correct in this instance. They do not charge GST or HST. Pitney Bowes levies an "import charge" which represents the equivalent to duty (if applicable), GST/HST (and PST in applicable) and an handling fee of about $4/$5.
Pitney Bowes then imports the goods as consolidator and the correct amounts of duty and taxes are remitted at time of Canada Customs clearance to the Canadian government.
To suggest or imply that taxes are not remitted could be considered "libelous" under Canadian laws.
12-15-2015 10:25 PM
With all due respect pierre....we'd all be better off if American sellers could just ship items to us without the GSP or Pitney Bowes skimming the take. That you can't deny...
12-15-2015 11:04 PM - edited 12-15-2015 11:06 PM
@billybishop72 wrote:
With all due respect pierre....we'd all be better off if American sellers could just ship items to us without the GSP or Pitney Bowes skimming the take. That you can't deny...
And he doesn't deny that, and nor do I.
But a fact that doesn't get a lot of mention is that putting aside all the other inanities of the GSP, for a properly listed item, PitneyBowes' take is generally less than the C$9.95 Canada Post charges for processing taxes charged by CBSA on a postal import (yes, items sent by mail are technically subject to GST/PST/HST charges), and much less than what a commercial carrier (courier) would charge.
File that under "you get what you pay for" if you're so inclined.
12-15-2015 11:53 PM
"...PitneyBowes' take is generally less than the C$9.95 Canada Post charges for processing taxes charged by CBSA on a postal import (yes, items sent by mail are technically subject to GST/PST/HST charges),..."
Under a different 'nickname' than the one I have now I bought hundreds of neat items from US sellers (comic books, real books(...lol), vintage models, vintage photos, postcards, etc, etc) for 10+ years. Not once (...okay, maybe once) did I have to pay an added import charge. You know as well as I that the whole GSP/Pitney Bowes set up is to pick your pocket of a few more percentage points. There is no real legitimate reason for it.....