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I live in my own little world. But it's OK... They know me Here!
Welcome to a place where the BIBLE can be discussed rationally, intelligently, and positively without unnecessary argument!!
Welcome to a place where prayer can be requested and encouraged!!
Welcome to a place where positive and encouraging thoughts from scripture can be shared in a caring and loving way!!
Welcome to a place away from all the arguments, recriminations, and negativity of the outside world!!
Welcome to a place of rest and safety!!
Welcome to a place where Philippians 2:3 is practiced: "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves."
Welcome to this Christian thread.
(Please leave all aggression, bitterness, and philosophy outside the door and please wipe your feet before coming inside!!)
I live in my own little world. But it's OK... They know me Here!
Hi, everyone. I'm just yapping here, and so you can comment or not comment as you see fit. If anyone disagrees with me, that's okay by me - I still love you 🙂
I've been doing a lot of reading and researching and thinking. I am soo thirsty for God's truth. I'm finding a lot of garbage and it's hard sometimes to sift through it all.
I've been reading "Christian" books and have rejected almost all of them. There are a few good ones, but the number of books that are not based on scripture, the ones that are outright hateful... it has disturbed me to the point where I can say that it grieves my soul. So, for now, I've moved away from the commentaries and the opinions and doctrines of man and have been reading more scripture than ever. The time I would spend reading Christian books is now spent on scripture.
I've come to a number of conclusions, although there is very little in my mind that is set in stone. One of the conclusions that I came to today is that I think the Sabbath is supposed to be observed and that the Sabbath actually falls on Saturday, not Sunday. I will still go to church on Sundays, but will take Saturdays to observe for Sabbath.
Why is it that most Christians observe it on the Sunday? How did that come about, anyway?
What does the observance of the Sabbath mean to you?
...still seeking.... always seeking Him and His Truth
I've been doing a lot of reading and researching and thinking. I am soo thirsty for God's truth. I'm finding a lot of garbage and it's hard sometimes to sift through it all.
I've been reading "Christian" books and have rejected almost all of them. There are a few good ones, but the number of books that are not based on scripture, the ones that are outright hateful... it has disturbed me to the point where I can say that it grieves my soul. So, for now, I've moved away from the commentaries and the opinions and doctrines of man and have been reading more scripture than ever. The time I would spend reading Christian books is now spent on scripture.
I've come to a number of conclusions, although there is very little in my mind that is set in stone. One of the conclusions that I came to today is that I think the Sabbath is supposed to be observed and that the Sabbath actually falls on Saturday, not Sunday. I will still go to church on Sundays, but will take Saturdays to observe for Sabbath.
Why is it that most Christians observe it on the Sunday? How did that come about, anyway?
What does the observance of the Sabbath mean to you?
...still seeking.... always seeking Him and His Truth
Keep reading the Bible, Laurie. I'll address you via e-mail. Let me just say this much. . .unbelievable as it sounds . . . the*cat was the only one who ever posted anything close to understanding what the Sabbath means to me.
I just woke up . . . I haven't slept in like this since I can't remember!!
Oh, BTW, I personally hold to the belief that Sundaykeepers are NOT lost or doomed for eternity.
The question is. . . what is the significance of the Sabbath?
I just woke up . . . I haven't slept in like this since I can't remember!!
Oh, BTW, I personally hold to the belief that Sundaykeepers are NOT lost or doomed for eternity.
The question is. . . what is the significance of the Sabbath?
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then there will be peace.
Then there's Rev. 22:12-14
And behold I am coming quicky and My reward is with Me to give to everyone according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are those who do His commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city.
If you look at the 10 commandments - the fourth commandment is the only commandment that states "Remember" - it doesn't say "Thou shalt". Again, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Sabbath keeping could be as much a shallow tradition for Adventists as Sunday worship is meaningful to Sunday keepers.
Genesis 2:2,3 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
I keep Sabbath because that is the day God has set aside & sanctified - and it is the day I can reflect, praise and honor my Creator. And if someone else is convicted that Sunday is the more appropriate day for this, well, I really won't argue with them. Sabbathkeeping is a personal conviction. It used to be a burden when I looked at it as a means to be saved, but now I truly find it a delight because I look at it as God's gift to me and by acknowledging it and observing it, I am honoring Him. The enemy has perversed it and made it a yoke to carry. But it's really quite simple to just accept the gift.
And behold I am coming quicky and My reward is with Me to give to everyone according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are those who do His commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city.
If you look at the 10 commandments - the fourth commandment is the only commandment that states "Remember" - it doesn't say "Thou shalt". Again, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Sabbath keeping could be as much a shallow tradition for Adventists as Sunday worship is meaningful to Sunday keepers.
Genesis 2:2,3 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
I keep Sabbath because that is the day God has set aside & sanctified - and it is the day I can reflect, praise and honor my Creator. And if someone else is convicted that Sunday is the more appropriate day for this, well, I really won't argue with them. Sabbathkeeping is a personal conviction. It used to be a burden when I looked at it as a means to be saved, but now I truly find it a delight because I look at it as God's gift to me and by acknowledging it and observing it, I am honoring Him. The enemy has perversed it and made it a yoke to carry. But it's really quite simple to just accept the gift.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then there will be peace.
Yes, ok, I'll debate, but no links, Ralph. The last time we had this "debate" I got slammed with a link to the most malicious anti-Adventist site and got referred to as being legalistic. For every link you can find on the web, I can find just as many positive (if I care to) so what I want to see is just personal understanding & Bible references or your personal convictions - no cut & pastes of someone else's opinions.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then there will be peace.
My reasons for thinking about the Sabbath are not at all about obeying the law for the sake of the law. If that was the case, then I'd have to obey ALL of the laws in the old testament and be running around killing goats and stoning people (no, not getting them stoned 😛 )
My reasons for thinking about anything are about wanting to understand God's will, His nature, His ways, and wanting to honour Him in every way that I'm capable.
Heck, I don't have all of the answers and I know I don't have THE answers for other people. I do not ever want to say or do anything to make another "stumble", even though I probably have unwittingly and unkowingly done that.
Nellie, your perception of it as a "gift" is wonderful. Whether it's a Saturday or a Sunday, it really is a gift, isn't it. 🙂 And that the commandment says "Remember" is a good point - again, whether it's a Saturday or Sunday.
Like many of you, I don't believe that we should honour God on only one day and do whatever we want the rest of the time, but that we should honour Him every day and continue daily in our relationship with Him, wherever we happen to be in our individual walk and growth.
Life can get so hectic and so full of carp that it's easy to let a week, then one, then two slip by without taking time out to rest both our bodies and our souls and take time out to reflect on Him. So to be encouraged by God to take that time really is a gift.
Thank you to everyone who has posted on the subject. I have learned something from each post. :)
My reasons for thinking about anything are about wanting to understand God's will, His nature, His ways, and wanting to honour Him in every way that I'm capable.
Heck, I don't have all of the answers and I know I don't have THE answers for other people. I do not ever want to say or do anything to make another "stumble", even though I probably have unwittingly and unkowingly done that.
Nellie, your perception of it as a "gift" is wonderful. Whether it's a Saturday or a Sunday, it really is a gift, isn't it. 🙂 And that the commandment says "Remember" is a good point - again, whether it's a Saturday or Sunday.
Like many of you, I don't believe that we should honour God on only one day and do whatever we want the rest of the time, but that we should honour Him every day and continue daily in our relationship with Him, wherever we happen to be in our individual walk and growth.
Life can get so hectic and so full of carp that it's easy to let a week, then one, then two slip by without taking time out to rest both our bodies and our souls and take time out to reflect on Him. So to be encouraged by God to take that time really is a gift.
Thank you to everyone who has posted on the subject. I have learned something from each post. :)
I think we should be able to respect and discuss our differences without putting down the other person's beliefs.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then there will be peace.
Laurie, what had you been reading? Just curious.
I am a fan of Rev. Max Lucado's books myself.
--- Remember: You don't stop laughing because you grow old...you grow old because you stop laughing. 🙂
I am a fan of Rev. Max Lucado's books myself.
--- Remember: You don't stop laughing because you grow old...you grow old because you stop laughing. 🙂
A whole lot of books, Nellie. The two latest were "The Power and Purpose of Prayer" by Dr. Myles Munroe and "Jerusalem Countdown" by Rev. Hagee
I recently read "Battlefield of the Mind" by Joyce Meyer and was sorely disappointed - even though the book is a great success. I thought I liked her until I actually watched one of her shows.
It irks me when the ideas of man are put ahead of scripture.
Two really good ones I've read recently, that I would recommend are "Intercessory Prayer" by Dutch Sheets and "The Journey" by Billy Graham.
I recently read "Battlefield of the Mind" by Joyce Meyer and was sorely disappointed - even though the book is a great success. I thought I liked her until I actually watched one of her shows.
It irks me when the ideas of man are put ahead of scripture.
Two really good ones I've read recently, that I would recommend are "Intercessory Prayer" by Dutch Sheets and "The Journey" by Billy Graham.
blue-nile, now then in the grand scheme of things and from a legalistic viewpoint - one can get totally mucked up if you're going to start worrying about what day it is somewhere else. My daughter observes the Sabbath a day ahead of me. Sabbath from the creation story is the seventh day and we observe it from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday - also because that is how a day is referred to in the creation story. . .every creation day is "and the evening & and morning". And should one really believe the creation story. . .well, how else would one explain the 7-day week. It doesn't make sense. The month is based on lunar movements, and the day is based on solar (sun). Why is there 7 days in a week?
What difference does it make to my God? He said "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, etc." Where I live, the seventh day is Saturday - my calendar shows me that . . . although I've noticed some calendars have been coming out with Monday as the first day. If it's not such a big deal, why is anyone even thinking of the placement of the seventh day - why put so much effort in turning Sunday now into the seventh day on a calendar?
What difference does it make to my God? He said "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, etc." Where I live, the seventh day is Saturday - my calendar shows me that . . . although I've noticed some calendars have been coming out with Monday as the first day. If it's not such a big deal, why is anyone even thinking of the placement of the seventh day - why put so much effort in turning Sunday now into the seventh day on a calendar?
