'MPs pass motion that will help Canada Post back-to-work legislation to proceed'

[momcqueen]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4694552/canada-post-back-to-work-legislation-vote/

"The motion sets out the process by which to pass Bill C-89, the 'Postal Services Resumption and Continuation Act,' which could put postal workers back on the job..... MPs voted 173 to 13 in favour of the motion."

[momcqueen]

Next step: debate for second reading of Bill C-89.

[momcqueen]

https://globalnews.ca/video/4692772/canada-post-workers-begging-for-fair-wages-for-hours-worked

[momcqueen]

Same story as the title, different outlet. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-union-legislation-1.4917647

[momcqueen]

I want to see Canada’s 50,000 to 55,000 postal workers get everything they deserve in a new contract but I regret their union leadership made such a hot mess of negotiations. In my opinion, you don’t get ordered back to work in this day and age unless you’ve demonstrated you can’t be trusted to give some with what you take. It’s not a decision government makes lightly. Especially a Liberal government.

[ypdc_dennis]

Elsewhere: USPS is at the bargaining table with it's union

http://www.apwu.org/issues/contract-negotiations

[hlmacdon]

The pay/job structure component for the RSMC carriers is something that should be addressed. This gig economy style **bleep** needs to be legislated out of existence. That being said, the attempts by the union to make this a gender specific issue was not and is not a wise tactic in my opinion as it doesn't meaningfully address the root problem, the practices themselves.

[momcqueen]

(duplicate link Post, sorry)

[momcqueen]

I think on-the-job-injuries are absolutely a valid concern.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4919412

I’m not convinced rotating strikes that hurt small business (the customer and also their customers) and their families are the way to fix that. Canada Post must have a task force internally striving to correct that. No company wants lost time because its people keep hurting themselves, even from the dim perspective of the coldest-hearted look at it, it’s inefficient and ineffective to keep training new people to replace people getting hurt. No one should have to get hurt at work to do their job. But rotating strikes at Christmas so that small business across the country go bankrupt is not the best way and only way that can be fixed.

[bpl521_sell]

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@momcqueen wrote:
I think on-the-job-injuries are absolutely a valid concern.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4919412

I’m not convinced rotating strikes that hurt small business (the customer and also their customers) and their families are the way to fix that. Canada Post must have a task force internally striving to correct that. No company wants lost time because its people keep hurting themselves, even from the dim perspective of the coldest-hearted look at it, it’s inefficient and ineffective to keep training new people to replace people getting hurt. No one should have to get hurt at work to do their job. But rotating strikes at Christmas so that small business across the country go bankrupt is not the best way and only way that can be fixed.

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I have a different view on the on the job injuries. Working in a union environment. I can say without a doubt that abuse of sick benefits is a real concern. The stories I could tell. Human nature I guess but the employees that have legit injuries lose out because the scammers who siphon off the benefits.  

[momcqueen]

“Legislation ordering postal workers back to work was passed in the House of Commons during a special session that dragged on into the wee hours of Saturday morning.

“Bill C-89 passed third reading by a vote of 166 to 43.”

And now CUPW boss is fuming his tactics failed.

“Canada Post seems to have convinced Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that Christmas wouldn't come without a back-to-work bill, added CUPW president Mike Palecek.”

‘"The mail was moving, and people know it," he said. ‘People have been getting their mail and online orders delivered. That was the point of our rotating-strike tactics, not to pick a fight with the public.‘“

Except that’s like kicking someone directly in the shins and then claiming you’re surprised to hear them complain it hurt. The whole point of doing rotating strikes right now was to cause maximum mayhem and CUPW knows it. Naturally, the union leadership will look to blame others to avoid admitting their tactics failed: absolve themselves of responsibility and point blame elsewhere.

“NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh accused the Liberals of hypocrisy, professing to believe in the right to collective bargaining while bringing in what he called the ‘worst, most draconian’ back-to-work legislation.

"’They've shown their true face ... that this government is not a friend of working people,’ Singh said.”

I just lost all respect that I had for this gentleman. Union members are not the only ‘working people’ who exist and count. Small business people are self-employed with none of the benefits which makes them (us) a more vulnerable, lower-class level of worker. We matter less despite the fact hundreds of thousands of us were suffering to make the better lives of 50,000 to 55,000 postal workers even better?

I can’t support that.

Now postal workers are forced to do what they could have had $1000 each to do willingly: go back to work while continuing to negotiate so that innocent bystanders don’t go bankrupt.

Thank you, government.

[momcqueen]

“I have a different view on the on the job injuries. Working in a union environment. I can say without a doubt that abuse of sick benefits is a real concern. The stories I could tell. Human nature I guess but the employees that have legit injuries lose out because the scammers who siphon off the benefits. “

Thank you for sharing and your honest perspective on it, despite that it’s disheartening to hear.

I don’t want postal workers getting hurt to delivering things I sell but that same meager volume of things I sell are what pays my own trips to the pharmacy and to see my health care providers because small business people are self-employed people who don’t have health benefits or sick pay or even such sick days allowed.

Can you share the sector where you work without revealing too much?

[bpl521_sell]

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@momcqueen wrote:
Thank you for sharing and your honest perspective on it, despite that it’s disheartening to hear.


Can you share the sector where you work without revealing too much?

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Yes it is disheartening but at the same time maddening

Public Service. Provincial Government.

[muscoviteman]

"’They've shown their true face ... that this government is not a friend of working people,’ Singh said.”

[muscoviteman]

"’They've shown their true face ... that this government is not a friend of working people,’ Singh said.”

I take the opposite view. It gives me a little more respect for Singh.

Executives, CEO, athletes etc make millions. Postal workers make middle of the road wage.

The union's job is to represent their members and by raising their working class lot in life they help to drag up the lot of other workers. It is unfortunate that this sometimes causes some pain to others collaterally but that is how things are.

Everything done by the union was within their legal rights. They should stop apologizing for causing a backlog...it was a deliberate and legitimate tactic.

Workers making descent wages makes it possible for them to purchase your products.

[katlover1952]

I am wondering who is lying because somebody is. CP talked about trailers of mail backed up. CUPW president says there is no backlog, the mail was moving, general public not being hurt, that is why they did rotating strikes.So what is the truth here.

[ricarmic]

Probably somewhere in between, both sides appear to be exaggerating their perspectives.

[marnotom!]

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@momcqueen wrote:

I want to see Canada’s 50,000 to 55,000 postal workers get everything they deserve in a new contract but I regret their union leadership made such a hot mess of negotiations. In my opinion, you don’t get ordered back to work in this day and age unless you’ve demonstrated you can’t be trusted to give some with what you take. It’s not a decision government makes lightly. Especially a Liberal government.

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Did you get a chance to read that Globe and Mail article I posted a link to where it states it was revealed in court that the the British Columbia provincial government was found to have attempted to provoke a full-scale strike by the BC Teachers' Federation?  Why would they do that?  To legislate the teachers back to work, of course.  (The teachers didn't bite, BTW.)

I wouldn't be surprised if something similar is at play here in the Canada Post labour dispute.

[momcqueen]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-canada-post-legislation-strike-1.4919485

[momcqueen]

“Workers making descent (sic) wages makes it possible for them to purchase your products.”

Unless those workers are driving 1,856 km to my house to pick up those products they’ve bought online from me, all the wages in the world won’t make it possible for them to purchase them during a postal strike.

I hope the hard-working postal employees get everything they deserve from their new contract. I’ll be wishing them well as I’m able to mail orders and feed my family this Christmas, thanks to the back-to-work legislation.