Snowdon: Hero or Traitor?

The latest reports from whistleblower Edward Snowdon revealing concrete information that the NSA had spying operations ongoing in EU offices at the UN in New York and at various other locations in Europe and the U.S. This information could put the big planned EU-US trade deal at risk, not to mention other consequences.

 

Earlier, Snowden revealed that the NSA basically spies on everyone and collects more or less all information that is passed electronically.

 

Among whatever else he said, I felt one of the scariest concepts was that, using the information they have gathered, he said it would in effect be possible for the NSA (or anyone who controlled the information) to build a case and against pretty much anyone for something or other - or anything at all.

 

So, maybe this will be a wake-up call for all those people who say, "I have nothing to hide, spy on me all you want". 

 

Don't forget, Snowden was employed by a private contractor, yet could order surveillance of anyone at any time with no reason. Obviously one of the lessons here is that private contractors have no business doing the government's work.

 

 

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Our world is increasingly more and more 'messed' up. (best word I can use at the moment). Snowdon (like others have) is just taking the veil off so that we see what is really going on. I should note that all these countries, well any country for that matter, must know that the US (and other countries as well) are bugging everyone. Why? Because knowledge is power. Neither should we forget Eisenhower's words...."beware of the military industrial complex" and that applies not only to the US but other countries also. Military arms and war (or preparing for it) is a massive money maker for some people. But who pays in the end? The average person in all countries. They pay for it with their money and sometimes with their lives and it's all propagated by people in power who often don't get so much as a scratch on them.

Snowdon just wanted to show how bad it is and how the new technology is making spying on everyone something that has become easier and easier. But the boys in the "military industrial complex" didn't want this thrust out so boldly and bluntly.

Humankind hasn't changed much and I doubt it every will. From the first time one caveman looked across a valley and decided to take what some other caveman owned, we have been greedy and fighting and killing. We just keep perfecting it more and more.

Snowdon........hero or traitor? Well I would chose another words........man of the world, citizen of the world, man with a conscience. The only thing he is really guilty of, is being honest.  





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Overall, sounds like you call it hero. I agree with you, by the way.

 

I would say  the "heroism" comes into play when you consider that the poor guy has put his life on the line in perpetuity. The word "traitor" I just derive from the tone of those aligned against him.

 

Where Snowden goes beyond simply being honest andstating what most people suspected anyway, is where he suggests possible scenarios as to how all this knowledge could easily be used against innocent people - or to further any nefarious plot or scheme that those in power would care to unleash...

 

 

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One man's traitor, is another man's patriot.

The thing about the US is if you count all the military bases and installations etc in the world (those known) which are US it adds up to about 283. How many military bases etc of other countries are in N. America? None. Food for thought.

 

To destroy people's privacy and basic liberties is a slippery slope.

Snowden amongst his knowledge described a CIA experience in Geneva as "formative," stating that the CIA deliberately got a Swiss banker drunk and encouraged him to drive home. When the latter was arrested, a CIA operative offered to intervene and later recruited the banker. Reminds me of the Godfather Part 2 and the senator.

Snowden existence of PRISM, a clandestine electronic surveillance program that allegedly allows the NSA to access e-mail, web searches, and other Internet traffic in realtime. That's everyone's and anyone's email. Is it any different from breaking into your home and ripping open your enveloped snail mail? No.

 

Snowden's identity was made public by The Guardian at his request on June 9. He explained his reasoning for forgoing anonymity: "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong."





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Traitor! Here is a great tool for Brother to watch from.

 

This is cutting edge, and then some, photography. Having worked in aerial reconnaissance, when I was in the Navy, I can tell you that the size of the area being covered, and the high quality of the imagery are, beyond incredible! What a breakthrough!!!! This imagery is being taken from 17,500 feet up. That is roughly equal to 3-1/2 miles. To say the least, I’m extremely impressed, but I think that just about anyone, particularly those with experience in SERIOUS photography, and especially those having a military photographic background, will be.

 

 

 

What do I think? Those images could be you......or me. If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about....at least for today. The fact that they are able to apply this technology to our private lives has troubling potential. Too much invasion of our private lives by government either now or in the future? You must determine that.. Another troubling aspect, from 17,500 feet the drone can see you from that altitude, but you can't see the drone.

 

 

 

 

 

What A Drone Can See From 17,500 feet.

 

Prepare to be very impressed. Excerpt from a PBS story. Less than 5 minutes...

 

 

 https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/AHrZgS-Gvi4?ytsession=Q0rl0umi1U3TwANXV4UpMirRT0FxLBZBz1DPwRrVoSgph...

 

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If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about....at least for today.

 

Trouble is - that doesn't hold true.

 

Consider a few facts:

 

1. Crime is rampant

2. Corruption in government is beyond rampant 

3. No information is secure

4. Political, moral, ethical opinion is sharply divided on many issues - i.e. - many regard George W. Bush as a patriot - millions throughout the world regard him as a war criminal, with plenty of reasons on either side of the argument

 

Conclusion: The only question is *when* will the system be turned against you, regardless of what you may think is right or wrong at any given point in time

 

 

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Drones may be new but they have had the technology to see everything from satellites for a long long time and see it all more than the government has ever told us. That is one of the reasons that proves the Iraq war and the garbage about weapons of mass destruction was a total lie.

 

George Orwell was right.............his timing was just a bit off.





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George Orwell was right, but he had no idea that Big Brother would "blossom" into the behemoth that it has...haven't made any opinions about Snowden, except I know that I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now...
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If Snowden leaked classified info about legal activity, he would be traitor. But since he leaked info about criminal activity, the classification protection is shaky. Government organized the "hunt" to keep him away, but makes no significant effort to bring him in, obviously they don't want the information he has to be released.

 

But why media storm is on Snowden and not NSA. Here is a theory:

 

In a related issue, it’s astonishing (to anyone who is awake) that the Congress hasn’t come down on NSA like a ton of bricks.

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The most obvious answer is, Congress is afraid of the NSA. This bunch of legislators, these crooks and con men and perverts and felonious scum are scared that they’ve been under the NSA spying lens for a long time. And what could come crawling out of NSA files is terrifying to them.

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Jon Rappoport,  Infowars

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Good work by our CIS teams tracking down traitors like Snowdon and preventing a catastrophic event.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/07/02/canadian-terror-plot-bc_n_3535426.html

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Snowdon and what may have happened in Canada are two different things.....in reality.





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I always find it amusing that people know where Victoria is, let alone want to set off bombs. The 2 "terrorists" consist of a petty criminal and his female side-kick. Maybe she was the brains, because from what I gather, he isn't a very bright spark. Definitely a copy-cat of the Boston bombing, but with a much happier ending. The pair have been followed and under surveillance since last Feb. -- no one was in danger on July 1st.
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He is neither. He is an idiot.

 

Reveal national secrets and what did he think was going to happen? A parade down Wall St? No. He will be universally vilified.

 

Now he is on the run  and no country wants him. He knew this was going to happen when it all started.

 

Basic science: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 

Everything that is happening to him. is the direct results of his decisions. He is where he wants to be. His choice. He chose this path.

 

I have no sympathy.

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He will be universally vilified.

 

Well I wouldn't necessarily say that. Many countries are happy to have heard his information and many other people believe he did the right thing (me included). If people from all countries did the same thing then maybe those who run the world covertly and use the average person eventually for their cannon fodder would find that their games are no longer usable. The US of course is really ticked off....but if it had been some other person from some other country who told what there country was doing to the US then the US would consider him a hero. It's all about 'perspective'.

As far as him getting himself behind the 8 Ball.........I'm sure he knew it and his life has changed and for a very long time.

What surprises me from the first time I read about him is any country out there has to know to some degree that the US spies on everyone (as other large countries with the capabilities also do) and it's only getting bigger and bigger. Our emails are monitored, or phones the same, we have cameras all around us, we can be tracked through many different means and there is new technology to keep Big Brother's eyes on us 24/7. The truly Free person these days is someone without a license or credit card and without an address, just roaming from one place to another with no attachments to anything or anyone.  





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Since he is a "hero" to so many countries, why have absolutely none of them stepped up for him?

 

Heroes do not run and hide.

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Since he is a "hero" to so many countries, why have absolutely none of them stepped up for him?

 

Simple..............the repercussions of power from the US.





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Heroes do not run and hide.

 

Stupid heroes do not run and hide. Only those who want to become a statistic stand up to be shot. History is made of heroes who have run and hidden and the US itself was helped founded by many of them.





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You are arguing against yourself. No-one wants his brand in their country. Every country has the exact same secrets.

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Countries have their 'secrets' but spying on other countries or their people.......is out of the country. Do you feel those people have a right to know? Was that an intention of a democratic society, or a fascist society? Should people feel they have a certain amount of privacy, or have we got to a point that we now relinquish everything to our 'rulers'? The US government has given itself power it is not entitled to by the Constitution and there is no oversight to protect the people. Dictatorial governments and those running the show behind the scenes have always started this way, a little bit at a time, until people wonder where their privacy went. The average person are those who lay their life on the line for the covert operations and lies government spew. The people........have a right to know what is happening in THEIR country, to THEM..........and if the government won't tell them then let someone with a conscience step up to the plate.





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Get over it. There is no privacy and never has been. Manitoba Health sells our personal info to private companies. AirMiles sells your prescription and food buying habits to it's clients. All countries spy on their people all the time. Any gov't agency can have access to any info, any time it wants. That info is shared between countries.

 

Got pulled over by the highway patrol in Nevada a few years ago. In three minutes the cop knew more about me than I knew myself.

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