CANADA POST STRIKE DILEMMA

[silverpinups]

I have a Canada Post Strike dilemma. I sold a item last Thursday, Nov.14/24. I messaged the buyer to hold off paying until I knew what kind of strike action CUPW was going to take on Friday morning. 

On Friday morning I messaged the buyer  to hold off on paying until I messaged him back. I let him know that it could be 7 to 10 days before any resolution was found. The buyer agreed and all was well until he paid on Sunday, Nov.17/24. Now I have to ship by Nov.22/24 (I have 5 days handling time).

I messaged him back on Sunday and asked why he paid when I asked him to hold off until he heard back from me. He said eBay keep sending him reminders to pay and he was getting nervous about it. 

My dilemma is what if the strike is still going still on Friday, Nov.22/24? I don't want to use a different shipping method as I have solely used Canada Post for 18 years. 

Can I just mark the item as shipped on Friday then mail it out at a future date? If I don't ship until Canada Post is up and running and I get a late shipping defect, will I be able to have it removed because of the strike? 

If the buyer just waited to pay when I messaged him all would be well. 

[reallynicestamps]

@fergua3 wrote:

There needs to be repercussions this time.  Two Christmas strikes in a row is not acceptable.  Taking advantage of vulnerable Canadians  for leverage is not acceptable.

The previous "strike" was a lockout by management. Before that the union used rotating strikes and work to rule (doing only the job they are paid for , nothing more) which slowed the mails considerably, but did not stop them.

Those few pensioners etc who are still getting cheques, rather than direct deposit, are exempted from the strike on processing according to Canada Post. At a guess, the work of handling those are in the hands of managers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-strike-essential-mail-provinces-territories-cheques-1.7...

"An agreement between Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) allows some unionized employees to deliver federal support payments during the labour dispute. Those payments include the Canada Child Benefit, Old Age Security and the Canada Pension Plan."

[flipistics]

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While employees are entitled to various protections and benefits under employment law, such as minimum wage, overtime pay, vacation pay, and employment insurance, independent contractors are considered self-employed and do not receive these benefits.

Maybe it's time the federal government changed that. As employment is becoming more and more gigified, it might make sense to make most jobs subject to things like overtime pay, salaries pegged to inflation (which would likely dramatically reduce the number of strikes), pension fund, etc.

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@flipistics wrote:

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While employees are entitled to various protections and benefits under employment law, such as minimum wage, overtime pay, vacation pay, and employment insurance, independent contractors are considered self-employed and do not receive these benefits.

Maybe it's time the federal government changed that. As employment is becoming more and more gigified, it might make sense to make most jobs subject to things like overtime pay, salaries pegged to inflation (which would likely dramatically reduce the number of strikes), pension fund, etc.

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@flipistics 

There was a news story on Marketplace approx 6 months ago regarding Amazon drivers and quota they are basically under the gun to meet or beat. From my various readings of the CP dispute that was 1 one of the issues the workers were worried would happen going forward with CP and any future changes. Basically eat your sandwich as you are taking a picture of where you dropped the item. Breaks are to be avoided at all costs. And not sharing this because I am siding with eBay workers. Just didn't seem right. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/amazon-drivers-working-conditions-health-and-safety-1.5443529

[fergua3]

This is not an offer.

That is CUPW's latest response to CP's attempts to restart talks.  Same old same old.  CUPW does not negotiate at all.  Negoitating is give and take.  Compromise.  CUPW does not ever compromise nor do they give.  It's just take, take, take.   Which is why every strike ends the same....they get forced back to work by the gov't of the day.  If they didn't have a gov't protected postal monopoly they could be on strike til the cows come home and nobody would care.  Companies with monopolies cannot be allowed to strike.  Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him?

At what point is the gov't going to grow a pair and end this nonsense?

[sin-n-dex]

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@fergua3 wrote:

This is not an offer.

That is CUPW's latest response to CP's attempts to restart talks.  Same old same old.  CUPW does not negotiate at all.  Negoitating is give and take.  Compromise.  CUPW does not ever compromise nor do they give.  It's just take, take, take.   Which is why every strike ends the same....they get forced back to work by the gov't of the day.  If they didn't have a gov't protected postal monopoly they could be on strike til the cows come home and nobody would care.  Companies with monopolies cannot be allowed to strike.  Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him?

At what point is the gov't going to grow a pair and end this nonsense?

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I think the Liberals are going to continue losing votes if they don't put an end to the strike... Not that they are likely to get elected anyway... their failure to get involved is to appease the NDP so there's no election to get them out of office faster.

I like the $250 bribe... I'll take the $250 (if it actually passes), but I'm not giving them my vote.

C.

[john_koenig99]

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@sin-n-dex wrote:

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@fergua3 wrote:

This is not an offer.

That is CUPW's latest response to CP's attempts to restart talks.  Same old same old.  CUPW does not negotiate at all.  Negoitating is give and take.  Compromise.  CUPW does not ever compromise nor do they give.  It's just take, take, take.   Which is why every strike ends the same....they get forced back to work by the gov't of the day.  If they didn't have a gov't protected postal monopoly they could be on strike til the cows come home and nobody would care.  Companies with monopolies cannot be allowed to strike.  Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him?

At what point is the gov't going to grow a pair and end this nonsense?

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I think the Liberals are going to continue losing votes if they don't put an end to the strike... Not that they are likely to get elected anyway... their failure to get involved is to appease the NDP so there's no election to get them out of office faster.

I like the $250 bribe... I'll take the $250 (if it actually passes), but I'm not giving them my vote.

C.

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^^THIS^^

They have an almost nil chance of getting reelected, but by dancing at the NDP's tune, and not acting fast to end the strike, they will be getting close to lose party status at the next election. 

[sin-n-dex]

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@john_koenig99 wrote:

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@sin-n-dex wrote:

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@fergua3 wrote:

This is not an offer.

That is CUPW's latest response to CP's attempts to restart talks.  Same old same old.  CUPW does not negotiate at all.  Negoitating is give and take.  Compromise.  CUPW does not ever compromise nor do they give.  It's just take, take, take.   Which is why every strike ends the same....they get forced back to work by the gov't of the day.  If they didn't have a gov't protected postal monopoly they could be on strike til the cows come home and nobody would care.  Companies with monopolies cannot be allowed to strike.  Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him?

At what point is the gov't going to grow a pair and end this nonsense?

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I think the Liberals are going to continue losing votes if they don't put an end to the strike... Not that they are likely to get elected anyway... their failure to get involved is to appease the NDP so there's no election to get them out of office faster.

I like the $250 bribe... I'll take the $250 (if it actually passes), but I'm not giving them my vote.

C.

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^^THIS^^

They have an almost nil chance of getting reelected, but by dancing at the NDP's tune, and not acting fast to end the strike, they will be getting close to lose party status at the next election. 

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I'm middle class, so I get shafted all the time by governments. (Make too much to get any kind of benefits, but don't make enough to live comfortably).

It's a struggle to do regular things like qualify for a mortgage, eat healthy food, buy a car without a huge car payment. Landlords are begging to rent 2K a month apartments to me even though I can't really afford that, but banks don't want my business on a 1K monthly mortgage (because I came up with enough of a downpayment to negotiate that low).

My vote goes to whoever I think will best represent the middle class.

C.

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@silverpinups wrote:

I have a Canada Post Strike dilemma. I sold a item last Thursday, Nov.14/24. I messaged the buyer to hold off paying until I knew what kind of strike action CUPW was going to take on Friday morning. 

On Friday morning I messaged the buyer  to hold off on paying until I messaged him back. I let him know that it could be 7 to 10 days before any resolution was found. The buyer agreed and all was well until he paid on Sunday, Nov.17/24. Now I have to ship by Nov.22/24 (I have 5 days handling time).

I messaged him back on Sunday and asked why he paid when I asked him to hold off until he heard back from me. He said eBay keep sending him reminders to pay and he was getting nervous about it. 

My dilemma is what if the strike is still going still on Friday, Nov.22/24? I don't want to use a different shipping method as I have solely used Canada Post for 18 years. 

Can I just mark the item as shipped on Friday then mail it out at a future date? If I don't ship until Canada Post is up and running and I get a late shipping defect, will I be able to have it removed because of the strike? 

If the buyer just waited to pay when I messaged him all would be well. 

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@silverpinups 

devon@ebay 

Curious to know what will happen to all the sellers that have made arrangements for shipping with their buyers when strike is over.  Whatever the handling time attached to the sold listing will be the handling that is in play. Only alternative solution as others have mentioned would be cancel/refund and repurchase when strike is over. Possibly easier said than done. 

a) Anything untracked - Mark as shipped. Then should be fine to hold on to and send when strike is resolved.

b) Anything tracked - Process when strike is resolved. If you mark shipped and then process later system will consider it as a late.  If you add the tracking when you actually ship will in most cases make it late that would be eBay's determination for assigning a ship date.

Only reason I am aware of this glitch is that in the past I had a situation where I manually correct the tracking number several days later (After my handling time). eBay scored it as a late. eBay is aware of this deficiency in their system but it does not appear to be on their radar to correct. At their discretion (ebay) can fix if you reach out to them. If a seller has many of those over the course of who knows how long they could add up fast. 

Disclaimer. Reason some sellers may want to hold trackable orders. 

1) Seller has items that have expedited lite attached for shipping. Shipping with UPS or Fedex would be substantially more. Seller does not want to write off difference. Buyer does not want to pay more but still wants the item and is willing to wait. 

2) Item is destined for a PO box.

[fergua3]

the Minister of Labor just woke up.  No indication of forcing an end to the  strike however.

“The parties are still very far apart, and that is in my view, among other things, highly disrespectful of Canadians who are suffering through this work stoppage, small businesses, people in rural and remote communities who rely on Canada Post's services and these parties have to knuckle down and get the work done.”

Boy that's tellin' 'em.  I'm sure they'll hammer out a deal now.   🙄

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

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@silverpinups wrote:

I have a Canada Post Strike dilemma. I sold a item last Thursday, Nov.14/24. I messaged the buyer to hold off paying until I knew what kind of strike action CUPW was going to take on Friday morning. 

On Friday morning I messaged the buyer  to hold off on paying until I messaged him back. I let him know that it could be 7 to 10 days before any resolution was found. The buyer agreed and all was well until he paid on Sunday, Nov.17/24. Now I have to ship by Nov.22/24 (I have 5 days handling time).

I messaged him back on Sunday and asked why he paid when I asked him to hold off until he heard back from me. He said eBay keep sending him reminders to pay and he was getting nervous about it. 

My dilemma is what if the strike is still going still on Friday, Nov.22/24? I don't want to use a different shipping method as I have solely used Canada Post for 18 years. 

Can I just mark the item as shipped on Friday then mail it out at a future date? If I don't ship until Canada Post is up and running and I get a late shipping defect, will I be able to have it removed because of the strike? 

If the buyer just waited to pay when I messaged him all would be well. 

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@silverpinups 

devon@ebay 

Curious to know what will happen to all the sellers that have made arrangements for shipping with their buyers when strike is over.  Whatever the handling time attached to the sold listing will be the handling that is in play. Only alternative solution as others have mentioned would be cancel/refund and repurchase when strike is over. Possibly easier said than done. 

a) Anything untracked - Mark as shipped. Then should be fine to hold on to and send when strike is resolved.

b) Anything tracked - Process when strike is resolved. If you mark shipped and then process later system will consider it as a late.  If you add the tracking when you actually ship will in most cases make it late that would be eBay's determination for assigning a ship date.

Only reason I am aware of this glitch is that in the past I had a situation where I manually correct the tracking number several days later (After my handling time). eBay scored it as a late. eBay is aware of this deficiency in their system but it does not appear to be on their radar to correct. At their discretion (ebay) can fix if you reach out to them. If a seller has many of those over the course of who knows how long they could add up fast. 

Disclaimer. Reason some sellers may want to hold trackable orders. 

1) Seller has items that have expedited lite attached for shipping. Shipping with UPS or Fedex would be substantially more. Seller does not want to write off difference. Buyer does not want to pay more but still wants the item and is willing to wait. 

2) Item is destined for a PO box.

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In doing some further checking, I had an item sell to Spain on Nov 14. Item was shipped Nov 14. According to transaction detail Estimated delivery date shown to buyer: Nov 20, 2024 - Nov 27, 2024 according to eBay. Strike officially began Nov 15. At that point everything dropped off got put on on hold. Tracking will not see any updates until the strike is resolved and things start to get back to normal.  devon@ebay  How are these types of situations going to be addressed? Are  sellers under the gun to refund even though it is out of the sellers control once a package has been dropped off in good faith? There appears to only extentions added to current listings. Not listings that were in play when the strike started.

-Lotzofuniquegoodies.

[38e_avenue]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/895894576075752

[devon@ebay]

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

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@silverpinups wrote:

I have a Canada Post Strike dilemma. I sold a item last Thursday, Nov.14/24. I messaged the buyer to hold off paying until I knew what kind of strike action CUPW was going to take on Friday morning. 

On Friday morning I messaged the buyer  to hold off on paying until I messaged him back. I let him know that it could be 7 to 10 days before any resolution was found. The buyer agreed and all was well until he paid on Sunday, Nov.17/24. Now I have to ship by Nov.22/24 (I have 5 days handling time).

I messaged him back on Sunday and asked why he paid when I asked him to hold off until he heard back from me. He said eBay keep sending him reminders to pay and he was getting nervous about it. 

My dilemma is what if the strike is still going still on Friday, Nov.22/24? I don't want to use a different shipping method as I have solely used Canada Post for 18 years. 

Can I just mark the item as shipped on Friday then mail it out at a future date? If I don't ship until Canada Post is up and running and I get a late shipping defect, will I be able to have it removed because of the strike? 

If the buyer just waited to pay when I messaged him all would be well. 

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@silverpinups 

devon@ebay 

Curious to know what will happen to all the sellers that have made arrangements for shipping with their buyers when strike is over.  Whatever the handling time attached to the sold listing will be the handling that is in play. Only alternative solution as others have mentioned would be cancel/refund and repurchase when strike is over. Possibly easier said than done. 

a) Anything untracked - Mark as shipped. Then should be fine to hold on to and send when strike is resolved.

b) Anything tracked - Process when strike is resolved. If you mark shipped and then process later system will consider it as a late.  If you add the tracking when you actually ship will in most cases make it late that would be eBay's determination for assigning a ship date.

Only reason I am aware of this glitch is that in the past I had a situation where I manually correct the tracking number several days later (After my handling time). eBay scored it as a late. eBay is aware of this deficiency in their system but it does not appear to be on their radar to correct. At their discretion (ebay) can fix if you reach out to them. If a seller has many of those over the course of who knows how long they could add up fast. 

Disclaimer. Reason some sellers may want to hold trackable orders. 

1) Seller has items that have expedited lite attached for shipping. Shipping with UPS or Fedex would be substantially more. Seller does not want to write off difference. Buyer does not want to pay more but still wants the item and is willing to wait. 

2) Item is destined for a PO box.

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In doing some further checking, I had an item sell to Spain on Nov 14. Item was shipped Nov 14. According to transaction detail Estimated delivery date shown to buyer: Nov 20, 2024 - Nov 27, 2024 according to eBay. Strike officially began Nov 15. At that point everything dropped off got put on on hold. Tracking will not see any updates until the strike is resolved and things start to get back to normal.  devon@ebay  How are these types of situations going to be addressed? Are  sellers under the gun to refund even though it is out of the sellers control once a package has been dropped off in good faith? There appears to only extentions added to current listings. Not listings that were in play when the strike started.

-Lotzofuniquegoodies.

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Hi @lotzofuniquegoodies! This is a fluid situation and we are pushing out updates as we get them and will do our best to keep everyone informed and up to date as we get new information. 

[fergua3]

Apparently UPS and Purolator are pausing shipments as they are overwhelmed by orders due  to the CP strike, which i assume means they are not accepting new business and may not be until after the Christmas rush.

Over 185,000 passports being help up due to the strike.

Thousands of rural communities are completely cut off from mail, packages and even drug orders due to CP strike, as nobody else delivers there.

Recent survey indicated over 24% of Canadians say they are being heavily impacted by the CP strike....that's MILLIONS of Canadians.

And.....crickets out of Ottawa.    Maybe the Labour Minister will issue another scolding late next week at some point.

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@fergua3 wrote:

Apparently UPS and Purolator are pausing shipments as they are overwhelmed by orders due  to the CP strike, which i assume means they are not accepting new business and may not be until after the Christmas rush.

Over 185,000 passports being help up due to the strike.

Thousands of rural communities are completely cut off from mail, packages and even drug orders due to CP strike, as nobody else delivers there.

Recent survey indicated over 24% of Canadians say they are being heavily impacted by the CP strike....that's MILLIONS of Canadians.

And.....crickets out of Ottawa.    Maybe the Labour Minister will issue another scolding late next week at some point.

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@fergua3 

Hopefully anything already in the system is being delivered instead of being left in limbo?

[mrdutch1001]

My only 2 shipments via Purolator (shipped to the USA earlier this week) are already in the USA and now in transit with UPS to their destinations.

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

@mrdutch1001 

devon@ebay 

It's being referred to as a pause. 

Amid an influx of packages that would normally be sent through Canada Post, Purolator and UPS have paused shipments from some courier companies in order to catch up. 

Purolator said in an email that severe weather and a surge in package volumes prompted it to freeze service for some partners, citing the need to "prioritize critical shipments."

Amid an influx of packages that would normally be sent through Canada Post, Purolator and UPS have paused shipments from some courier companies in order to catch up. Purolator said in an email that severe weather and a surge in package volumes prompted it to freeze service for some partners, citing the need to "prioritize critical shipments."

In a notice sent to clients on Thursday and obtained by CBC News, eShipper stated that "no shipments will be processed or moved by these carriers" for 48 hours, starting Wednesday. The update came after eShipper informed clients on Wednesday that Purolator was considering a daily limit of 1,500 shipments. 

 Strangely my testing and last check eBay labels does not provide services for UPS outside of the USA. Only a Fedex option.  UPS ships to 220 countries worldwide. 

I just tested for a older order (to Spain) to create new label and now it ONLY shows the CP possible options but all are marked temporarily unavailable. Greyed out. No UPS or FEDEX options.  When I created the label originally Fedex Deferred was an available option. 

For an older US order it shows Canadian options unavailable with CP, Fedex Intl Economy, UPS Standard and Fedex Ground active. No Fedex Air service displays.

Canada CP is temporarily unavailable, UPS Standard + Fedex Ground/Fedex Ecomomy active.

[mrdutch1001]

netParcel via PayPal is still allowing Purolator shipment processing...I am still able to process shipping labels for Purolator via netParcel

[recped]

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@fergua3 wrote:

And.....crickets out of Ottawa.    Maybe the Labour Minister will issue another scolding late next week at some point.

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Maybe if Poilieve gave his now almost 3 month blockage of Parliament a rest the Libs could actually consider back to work legislation. As it currently is nothing has been passed since early September.

His non-stop attempts at getting a non-confidence motion to the voting stage pretty much prevents any action by the Liberals on the CP issue or anything else.

[fergua3]

no, the Labour Minister could just do what he did for the docks strike and order arbitration.  No new legislation needed for that.  Legislation would be pointless now, it would be tied up for weeks by NDP fillabuster.

Ordering binding arbitration would have CP back working by Monday.  

But it won't happen.  Latest news is talks may start again on Monday.....talks that will of course go nowhere for weeks.

So Christmas season is toast for everyone except Amazon.....who are laughing all the way to the bank.  Extra big bonus cheques for their execs.  And sleepless nights for the owners and employees of tens of thousands of small businesses across Canada, frustration for holiday travellers who can't get passports and continued isolation for rural communities.

For shame Liberals, for shame. 

[recped]

To force Postal workers to end the strike requires parlimentary approval, can't happen unless the Conservatives allow a vote.

Binding Arbitration requires the approval of boith the feds AND CUPW, that's not likely ever going to happen.

It's pretty obvious you are a Lib hater but the inability to end the strike in this case lies with Poilieve.