Expedited Lite - Billed Twice for the same eBay Label

Hi all,

Has anyone had this occur? If so how one could be reimbursed as the chat bot isn't helpful?

 

On June 24 I rec'd an order for one ball cap. I shipped it via Expedited Lite.  See email receipt. 

I was billed $8.75 for the label and on June 26 the money ($8.75) came out of my Adyen balance. 

 

On June 27  eBay took $9.80 out of Adyen for the same ball cap order with the same order number and the same tracking number. No 2nd label was printed, label price is different and eBay never sent a 2nd label receipt or any surcharge transaction. 

 

Not sure if it's relevant but apparently the package size was changed on printing by eBay to 5 x 5 x5 cm. The box was 21 x 16 x 12cms. The total weight was under 200 grams.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks!

 

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  It amounts to the same thing as checking out of a hotel and a week later you get an unidentified chargeback on your credit card. It doesn't happen but even if it did you could phone the hotel and straighten it out. 

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

I agree that there should be a reason given as to why a person is charged more later on.

But more specific than the example Lotz has posted. The reason 'additional handling' could be a number of things so even that is not specific as it should be.


@intimewithmusic 

@dinomitesales 

@pjcdn2005 

@flipistics 

 

Unsure if there are other variations the seller receives in the USA for revised/amended invoices. Only example I have been able to retrieve so far. Will see if there are others floating about. Because the Labels page states that the seller purchased expedited lite that "should" be reflected on the physical printed label. This would avoid any confusion. Same goes for any amendments. Seller types 23 x 15 x 2 cms that is what "should" print on the label. If you bought a label directly at the post office and the service didn't apply they would tell you then and there. Not come running after you and tell you, you owe more. Now if only Canadian sellers could get an actual detailed invoice when they purchase a label...how things work in the normal world, that shows measurements, weight/dim weight when applicable, taxes, fuel and discount where applicable. That would be Shangrila...and phone numbers. Did we want to include missing optional services to that list?

 

-Lotz

 

Was able to track down a different variation. Note all the exceptions are explained including what was charged orginally and the corrected amount. Makes disputing a bit easier when necessary. 

 

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This also happened to me more than once. I made special note of the last package I sent July 12th because I see somehting wrong here. Item #256349131444, a 9" plush. The package measured 24x13x9 cm, weighed 198g, verified weight with post office, even upped my 23cm to 24 because it was right on the 23 line. I was charged an extra 7.90 because Canada Post said it weighed .54 kg, 540 g. Over a whole pound. There is no way to challenge from what I found. It was less than 3220 volume and weighed less than 200g. I am no longer offering Expedited Lite as a shipping option.

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The dimensional weight would be .56 kg which is  what it would be if it was figured out as an expedited parcel.  So I am still wondering if the dimensions that are set up on the ebay calculator are the actual dimensions that Canada Post is using for expedite lite.  Or is there another problem. Just guessing here.

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@easelart401 wrote:

This also happened to me more than once. I made special note of the last package I sent July 12th because I see somehting wrong here. Item #256349131444, a 9" plush. The package measured 24x13x9 cm, weighed 198g, verified weight with post office, even upped my 23cm to 24 because it was right on the 23 line. I was charged an extra 7.90 because Canada Post said it weighed .54 kg, 540 g. Over a whole pound. There is no way to challenge from what I found. It was less than 3220 volume and weighed less than 200g. I am no longer offering Expedited Lite as a shipping option.


Yeah, as @pjcdn2005 indicated, the volumetric weight of your package was about 562 g.

An actual weight of 198g is really cutting it close to the max - it's very easy for the weight to record at 201g at some point on it's journey, at which point it's going to automatically calculate as an Expedited Parcel and charge you based on the voumentric equivalent of weight.

 

At least I assume that's how Canada Post's system works with Expedited Lite. Anything we posit is really just conjecture at this point.

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Expedited Lite has been great for me.  I love the service. It's only getting chargebacks from eBay that give no reason that bothers me. It's only happened to me this once. I know my weight was OK.  I have a 25 gram "fudge factor" in my packing.  In this case I chose to box the item. In retrospect I should have cut it down another cm. 

 

It's possible CP has reduced tolerance with these inexpensive fares. They are still the best thing that's happened to domestic tracking!

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@easelart401 wrote:

This also happened to me more than once. I made special note of the last package I sent July 12th because I see somehting wrong here. Item #256349131444, a 9" plush. The package measured 24x13x9 cm, weighed 198g, verified weight with post office, even upped my 23cm to 24 because it was right on the 23 line. I was charged an extra 7.90 because Canada Post said it weighed .54 kg, 540 g. Over a whole pound. There is no way to challenge from what I found. It was less than 3220 volume and weighed less than 200g. I am no longer offering Expedited Lite as a shipping option.


Yeah, as @pjcdn2005 indicated, the volumetric weight of your package was about 562 g.

An actual weight of 198g is really cutting it close to the max - it's very easy for the weight to record at 201g at some point on it's journey, at which point it's going to automatically calculate as an Expedited Parcel and charge you based on the voumentric equivalent of weight.

 

At least I assume that's how Canada Post's system works with Expedited Lite. Anything we posit is really just conjecture at this point.


 

@intimewithmusic

@easelart401 

devon@ebay 

 

Because volumetric is applicable to this service (expedited lite), shouldn't eBay labels pick up on that when the parcel is OVER the limit. Then at that point block you choosing that as an option. In some cases sellers may be able to MacGyver the box and make it under the limit. Not a given but then they don't get an upcharge after the fact that cannot be recovered. If you were to purchase a label at the counter that is the info the agent would provide. You're over the limit....your call!! Otherwise this is just poorly designed software!!!

 

@dinomitesales  Are ya conjecturing based on experience that if it is reweighed by an agent in person there is wiggle room built in? If it is done by bots during the process wiggle room goes out the window?

 

-Lotz

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A video was released a few hours ago by Galaxy CDs Rocks and Flips. It's  called  "A Shipping Glitch that Isn't a Glitch". He talks about a new eBAy (not USPS) cutoff weight of 15.98 ounces where formerly their cutoff was 16 ounces.

He goes on to say they usually use weights with fudge factors built in but it's not working all of a sudden on eBay. He offers tests on other 3rd party platforms and the status quo of estimating say, putting 16 ounces when the actual weight is 15 1/2 is still working without any extra charges. 

The advanced shippers are avoiding extra charges by buying the labels on places like Pirate Ship. 

 

Maybe the change there was mirrored in eBays software  integration in Canada. 

 

For example, if eBay was receiving a large number of overweight shipment claims from Canada Post  that required their resources to correct with the sellers possibly eBay Canada has set up a similar system as the US. 

 

Ryan discusses the issues for 9 minutes from 2min 30sec to 11 min 30sec in the video if you are interested. 

https://www.youtube.com/live/ZtnQHEIASXk?si=DSO9LQ3qF8_gn8FJ

 

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I had another expedited lite upcharge. It looks like eBay has updated how they report these (an improvement although we still need to know whether actual weight or dimensional weight is the culprit). Here is what my latest one says:

 

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While it was close to actual weight, I know it was under because I measured it on two scales, one of which is a high precision scale that I've checked with calibration weights. Both scales said it was under with room to spare. It was definitely under the volumetric weight, because this new reporting format actually TELLS you the volumetric weight. Multiply by 5 to get the cubic volume, which in this case is 530 x 5 = 2650.

 

I'd love to know whether this is a bug or whether Canada Post is getting the weights wrong or something. In this case if I just need to make sure there's more wiggle room (limit it to 180g or something), that's fine, but we need to know. Continually eating upcharges on low value items isn't sustainable, especially when they're measured and weighed correctly. This is now 4 times for me in the last 6 weeks after NEVER having one previously. Devon doesn't seem to be around right now, but I'll give it a shot. Luke, if you see this, I can give you a listing of the 4 I've had if it helps.

 

devon@ebay 

luke@ebay 

@lotzofuniquegoodies 

@intimewithmusic 

@dinomitesales 

@pjcdn2005 

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eBay may want to re-think the boxes they sell in their shipping supplies store. 

The 4 x 4 x4 (too small) and the 8" x 6" x 4" (too big) are useless.

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@intimewithmusic wrote:

eBay may want to re-think the boxes they sell in their shipping supplies store. 

The 4 x 4 x4 (too small) and the 8" x 6" x 4" (too big) are useless.


@intimewithmusic 

 

There is a crazy work around for that. Inflate measurements to meet minimum requirements and then decrease to actual measurements if/when item sells. The smaller measurements work with cp and ebay labels. As it was pointed out to me years ago on here that is a longstanding glitch with the ebay listing creator. You receive an error message if you enter 2.01 and tracked to USA. If you are under eBay will hide those services when a buyer checks shipping options. (The 4 x 4 x 4" box is a stock US creation. Acceptable with USPS) (5 x 5 x 5 cm is whimsical. Not even large enough for 1 stamp with to & from labels. Possibly a neutron microscope for the system to read but have not yet tested that theory.)

 

-Lotz

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@intimewithmusic wrote:

eBay may want to re-think the boxes they sell in their shipping supplies store. 

The 4 x 4 x4 (too small) and the 8" x 6" x 4" (too big) are useless.


I use 4x4x4 from time to time within Canada. They're great for small figures and toys.  8x6x4 is also an extremely useful size, just not for expedited lite. I get mine from Staples though, and I use the shipping supplies coupons for other stuff that's harder for me to get.

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It looks like eBay has reverted the change that allowed us to see the extra information on upcharges.  I've had another 2 of these since. Has anyone managed to get some kind of explanation yet?

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Interestingly, if you log into the USA site and go to labels you can see the expedited lite dimensions and weight that you entered.

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@flipistics wrote:

Interestingly, if you log into the USA site and go to labels you can see the expedited lite dimensions and weight that you entered.


@flipistics 

 

Another example of doing something one way on ca and doing completely different on dot com. As per eBay staff majority of features/interfaces "should" mirror between the 2 sites. That is rarely the case when it comes to anything and how it displays. Anything involving  historical data is a very good example of this.

 

 

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

I agree that there should be a reason given as to why a person is charged more later on.

But more specific than the example Lotz has posted. The reason 'additional handling' could be a number of things so even that is not specific as it should be.


 

@intimewithmusic 

@dinomitesales 

@pjcdn2005 

 

Re: Calling it Additional Handling is like lumping all the charges together subterfuge style (not to be confused with gangnam style. Majority(all) accountants would not be impressed. 

 

In reviewing  and confirming the 1 time (12 month search) I got a "secondary" charge for postage in happened out of the 90 day window that eBay allows you to search withing the label folder. You can search back further using eBay fees/payout page but on ca they only show as a secondary charge. Not the reasoning/explanation behind them. There was a 3 day lag for the second charge. Unsure how it would work if the billing for postage and the audit happened at the same time or how it would display. In theory charges from the labels page SHOULD mirror the eBay Transaction page. 

 

1 other interesting observation. Found multiple same sized tracked shipments to USA sent within a week of each other where the charges were different within pennies. Because there is no clear explanation of the total charges unsure if this is caused by fuel charge variances or eBay rounding. 

 

To wrap this up in a bow, does anyone know when you send a refund on a promotedly sold item are the promotion fees refunded? It does not appear that they are or does that have to be made by special request. I thought they were but done using the old fashioned tape delay method. 

 

MP may be an improvement from eBay's perspective but with all the discovered nuances sellers can find it does very little to make life easier.

 

-Lotz

 

As a side in speaking to another seller who in the process of creating a shipment received that very scary warning message about "being close to the limit" all I could share was either, if possible shrink packaging as safely as possible or document and watch for secondary charges when/if they arrive. The biggest concern with these charges after the fact is there is ZERO way to recover once buyer has paid. If measurements were accurate when listing was creating cubing SHOULD be applied corrrectly within the calculated rates buyer sees and final label created when item sells.  This is most annoying that eBay refuses to honestly address this as an eBay glitch!!!!!

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@intimewithmusic 

 

~~~~Weekend smile~~~~

 

Alternate method to reduce risk of cubing charges when using eBay labels when mailing ball caps:

 

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Remember not to have head inside hat when nuking. I would also advise leaving house and confirm home insurance is paid  when testing this method!!! Just to err on side of caution!!!

 

After:

 

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Now should fit in 5 cm x 5 cm x 5 cm box with ease.

 

 

-Lotz

 

Crazy expensive to ship:

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@flipistics 

 

The "list" price on a single eBay 4 x 4 x 4 is $1.73 all in. A bundle will consume your coupon. You can't use them for tracked packet.  Most of the time I find it safer to pack tiny things in larger less crushable or "lose-able" packages and the shipping cost is the same.

 

You might consider using the coupon for something else and buying Staples 4" x 4 x 36 (11 x 11 x 93cm) as an alternative. They can be used for poster length items to 36 " without a tube charge. They can easily be cut to any length you want including 14 cm (4" x 4" x 5.5 ") which makes them elligible for tracked pack USA. They can be cut to five 4 x 4 x 4s for a cost of 32 cents a box. Easy if you make a flap template.  Then you only have to store one box for many different size orders. 

 

My last price was $1.44 per box in bundles of 25 (much less than a single eBay 4 x 4 x 4). Price has probably gone up since my last order as one bundle muliplies like rabbits.

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I've been using the coupons for 16x12x8, 15x10x6, 12x10x8, 10x8x6, and 6x4.75x4.75 boxes (which are really useful btw). Other sizes I've been getting from either Staples or Rona.

 

On a side note, does anyone know of any bubble mailers that are equivalent in quality and low profile to the old eBay branded ones from a few years ago? The lack-of-quality on the new ones is getting to the point where I'm not sure I trust them anymore for sending out CDs and DVDs. The Staples and Uline ones puff up too much for lettermail. Has anyone tried the Quality Park, UCGOU, HBlife, Fuxury, or Metronic ones from Amazon?

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@flipistics wrote:

It looks like eBay has reverted the change that allowed us to see the extra information on upcharges.  I've had another 2 of these since. Has anyone managed to get some kind of explanation yet?


@flipistics 

@dinomitesales 

@intimewithmusic 

devon@ebay 

 

I had 1 of these the other day. Entirely my fault. Arthritic fingers entered incorrect measurements when creating the label. 

 

Item sold July 31

Promoted fees Processed July 31

Label created August 1(next am) - Original Label charge still has not been processed.

Selling fees processed Aug 2

Upcharge processed Process Aug 4

Item delivered in QC Aug 5

 

Seeing exactly what you are seeing on dot com. No clear explanation as to the reason behind the upcharge. (Line about upcharge missing from Labels dropdown.) Clicking on the upcharge details it shows the original amount that should be charged but no totally to link (associate) them together. In theory there should be 2 dates displayed. 1 showing date created. 2nd showing date charges procressed. Just shows it was...not the when. So no to the explanation question. 

 

-Lotz

 

 

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