shipping cost from Canada increases dramatically

shipping cost from Canada increases dramatically

well, that will kill my selling pins on Ebay

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"that will kill my selling pins on Ebay"

 

OK - I'll bite.

 

How much in pennies will your postage costs increase when shipping within Canada, when shipping to the USA ?

 

Assuming 300 sales a year, how many dollars are involved in the increase?

 

Will those few dollars really "kill" your business?

 

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From the shipping prices I see, I think you are using Regular Parcel (and other parcel services) to ship.

On your lower cost items, have you considered using Letter and Light Packet rated services.

 

These services are for items that are less than 500 grams and 2 cm thick. They are neither insured nor trackable.

If your category is low-fraud, you can use these services  combined with Cookie Jar Insurance  and reduce your shipping costs, without reducing your sales.

You may even find it possible to offer Free Domestic Shipping and further reduce your shipping costs. Please note that Free Shipping is an advertising phrase that means "We included the shipping cost in the price."

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they aren't parcel shipping rates, parcel rates would exceed the entire gross sale in most cases.  they are letter/light packet rates with ~$1 handling

 

Agree with the op, low price letter rate sellers like that are going to be knocked out of selling.  The increase alone is going to be in the neighbourhood of 10% of their total gross

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i ship lettermail and it will be just fine because all of my other competitors will have to adjust for it as well.. I mean if a 30 cents increase is going to knock someones business of the map I would call it more of a hobby ..... I sell for less when I need cash quick but other then that I never sell anything for less then $1 profit and most items I sell for about $3-5 profit....

 

Everyone has to change with the time so if I can not afford to sell something lettermail I will wholesale it off and send it parcel..

 

Adapt to survive or in my case still thrive ..

 

What is killing me is Canada post SH@# service

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I'd just like to remind Brandee and others that making blanket recommendations or disapprovals of Letter-post rates can be highly misleading, given Canada Post's irrational, crazy-quilt pricing schemes. I reproduce below, from another thread, my table comparing Letter-post and Light Packet rates to USA:

 

                       Prices eff. 13/1/14                       Prices eff. 31/3/14

                         O/S Let        LtPk                          O/S Let         LtPk

0-100 g           2.20            3.79  (+72%)             2.95              3.79  (+28%)

100-150 g       3.80            3.79  (same!!)           5.15              3.79  (-36%)

150-200 g       3.80            6.37  (+68%)             5.15              6.37  (+24%)

200-250 g       7.60            6.37  (-19%)             10.30             6.37  (-62%)  

250-500 g       7.60           10.66 (+40%)            10.30          10.66  (+3%)

 

Here's the situation wrt to International rates:

 

0-100 g        4.36             6.51 (+49%)               5.90              6.51 (+10%)

100-150 g    7.60            6.51 (-17%)                10.30            6.51 (-58%)

150-200 g    7.60           10.46 (+38%)              10.30          10.46 (+1.6%)

200-250 g   15.20          10.46 (-45%)               20.60          10.46 (-97%)

250-500 g   15.20          19.12 (+26%)              20.60           19.12 (-8%)

 

For example, anyone who sends an eligible item weighing between 200 and 250 g to an International destination by Letter-post needs to have his head examined asap.

 

Tom

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toff3 - you may want to review your table for accuracy.  Comparing $ 20.60 and $10.46 and coming to the conclusion that the difference represents a 97% decrease is a mathematical impossibility.

 

It should also be noted that, from the inception of "Light Packet" rates several years ago, that rate has always been substantially lower than the equivalent letterpost rate (USA and international). It is nothing new.

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@pierrelebel wrote:

toff3 - you may want to review your table for accuracy.  Comparing $ 20.60 and $10.46 and coming to the conclusion that the difference represents a 97% decrease is a mathematical impossibility.

 

It should also be noted that, from the inception of "Light Packet" rates several years ago, that rate has always been substantially lower than the equivalent letterpost rate (USA and international). It is nothing new.


Pierre, I don't mean to be picayune, but your second statement above struck me as not accurate and not my recall of my usual experience in shipping.  Since I ship a lot of items that are in the 50-250 gm weight categories, I sometimes choose to use lettermail where the rate is significantly lower for a particular weight class (most of my items fall into the "oversize" lettermail category).

 

I checked my Canada Post price table that was effective Feb. 2013, and indeed many of the rates for lettermail to the US and internationally were lower than the Light Packet rates for that weight class.  I recall this was also the case in 2012.

 

For example, oversize lettermail to the US up to 100g was $2.20, whereas Light Packet was $2.65 -- not a great difference.  However, in the next weight class -- up to 200g, the lettermail rate was $3.80 and the LtPkt rate $5.53.  This is significant enough that I often choose to use lettermail for items falling into that weight range.  However, the spread reverses for parcels up to 250g, where the lettermail cost was $7.60 and the LtPkt still $5.53. 

 

Above that weight, items 251-500g, lettermail was $7.60, LtPkt was either $5.53 (up to 250g) or $8.89 (up to 500g).  So in those weight ranges, I did have to be careful to choose the right service. 

 

This holds true for international as well (or at least in 2013).  For items of 101-200g for instance, the lettermail rate was $7.60, the Light Packet rate $10.00 (which actually went up to 250gm, a considerable savings over the lettermail rate of $15.20 for 200g. 

 

The real problem is that lettermail weight classes differ from Light Packet, so it's impossible to say that Light Packet is always cheaper across the board.  It's a tricky business, and you really have to be on your toes to pick the best rate for a given parcel, assuming we're only discussing parcels under 500g and up to the maximum 38x27x2cm size. 

 

I take advantage of this system by picking up a few dollars here and there through the use of lettermail and applying those savings to "subsidize" the Light Packet rates where lettermail would be more expensive.  It's worked out well so far, but I'm going to have to print out and study the new CP rate table for the US and int'l very carefully. 

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Sorry - I was referring very specifically to the 200g-250g bracket as stated in the previous post.

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Gotcha -- I didn't think you wouldn't know the vagaries of pricing/weight classification between the two services.  Sorry! 

 

Still, it's probably good to remind everybody that a seller really can't assume one service is always cheaper, or always more expensive than the other. 

 

Personally, I keep my little binder with all the postal charts handy every time I send a parcel, to see if I can effect any savings over my quoted shipping rate (I use only flat rate shipping in my listings).

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Yeah I couldn't believe how much shipping went up!  I had to mail some parcels last week, one that needed signature confirmation & the other I just wanted to have it for extra protection since the buyer is causing problems.  Got to the post office & was told they can't add signature confirmation to international deliveries for the extra $1.50 anymore it's only available on Xpress post for $70+

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"it's only available on Xpress post for $70+"

 

???

 

Looking at your items, could you not have shipped them by Registered Mail (requires signature of recipient) for $15.50 plus first class mail.

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Pierre from what I understand, the signature on international registered mail is not viewable online (I believe that you can have a copy of it mailed to you?) so it wouldn't be helpful in a Paypal INR claim. But that is just based on what I've read on the CP site as I've never used registered mail. Perhaps you know first hand that there is a signature for Paypal to view?

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"signature on international registered mail is not viewable online"

 

That is correct.

 

However, sellers really need to think about how much they are willing to pay to get the so-called "PayPal Seller Protection".  How much is it really worth?  How often is it being used?

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None of it could be sent registered being registered is for letterpost only, and letter post is not available for goods .  Being the point of  paying for xpress or registered would be for protection, the  $60max insurance payout on registered (of course it would be zero tryign to make a claim for sending goods prohibited in  letterpost) would make it useless anyway.  There is absolutely zero use for registered letterpost on ebay

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

Pierre from what I understand, the signature on international registered mail is not viewable online (I believe that you can have a copy of it mailed to you?) so it wouldn't be helpful in a Paypal INR claim. But that is just based on what I've read on the CP site as I've never used registered mail. Perhaps you know first hand that there is a signature for Paypal to view?


Unless my experience is unique, I've found that the signature on Xpresspost to the US isn't viewable online either.  I've sent 2 items to the US over the past 3 weeks that required Xpresspost (for speed, not particularly because of the signature confirmation), and on checking the tracking, all you see is the name of the signatory.  CP directs you to a phone # to obtain the actual signature. 

 

I think I recall being able to access XP signatures online previously (2012?), and I've never used XP within Canada since I mostly ship to the US and internationally. 

 

It is a concern if I were to purchase Xpresspost as seller protection, based on what you've mentioned above.  Would Paypal give a seller some grace period to get hold of the signature document from CP?  Does anyone know for sure, or has any seller actually had to deal with this in a Paypal situation?

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Comparing $ 20.60 and $10.46 and coming to the conclusion that the difference represents a 97% decrease is a mathematical impossibility.

 

Pierre,

Perhaps you'd prefer the statement that, on March 31, the postage on an O/S Letter with a weight in the 201 to 250 g range will be 97% higher than for a Light Packet of the same weight to an International destination. Or would "double" be a simpler concept for you to understand?

 

 

It should also be noted that, from the inception of "Light Packet" rates several years ago, that rate has always been substantially lower than the equivalent letterpost rate (USA and international). It is nothing new.

 

It should also be noted that there is no reason on Earth why Light Packet and Other Letter-post should differ at all - and they most certainly should not go up and down relatively like a yo-yo.

 

The whole point of my two tables is to show that Canada Post continues to take Canadians to the cleaners while treating them as idiots.

 

Tom

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