seller scam

note: posted this in buyer central and got no response.ebay claim apr2024x.jpg

 

Hi all. Got a new scam that ebay is falling for but we are not going to fall for.

 

About feb 1 or so we bought a "new" printer printhead for $34 CAD all in from a china seller (they do not exist outside of china). It arrived april 1. Put it in the printer and it is faulty and throws an error code of faulty printhead and is completely non functional.

 

(put the old printhead back in and it works fine except no magenta as that colour is plugged, the reason for buying a new printhead)

 

So the next day we open a return case for item not as described.

Of course since then the seller has tried everything to not refund. He cannot send a return label obviously. Shipping to the china return address he gave us in the return claim is $43.29 for tracked packet and the seller did not want to pay and repeatedly wanted to refund 20% partial refund.

 

We called ebay to step in and they converted the return to a case and put it on "hold" for 5 days and instructed us to give the seller our paypal address to send the return shipping $ to or they would close the case in the sellers favour so we sent our paypal address in an ebay message. The 5 days ran out and ebay states we need to return the item first and that is the only option. Seller says return at our expense and he will refund return shipping and original cost upon receiving the item back.

 

See where this is going... $34 + $43 = $77 CAD. He is not going to give us that amount back we just know that. The scam keeps evolving...

 

So we call ebay again. They put it on hold again until april 20 they say to give seller enough time to send $43.29 to our paypal.

 

Seller this morning sends $43.29 to our paypal however he has sent it as for merchandise that he has "bought from us" and we get charged $1.99 selling fees. The shipping address (his) is in chinese with no english at all on our end in paypal. Canada post cannot use the chinese version whatsoever.

 

He then sends an ebay message with a screenshot from his end of the paypal transaction. The return address in the original return case is not there anymore for us to compare to after running the chinese version through google translate.

 

We then send the english translated version of this new return address to him in an ebay message for him to "confirm" with us that it correct.

 

So now he says just keep the $43.29 and keep the faulty item and close the ebay case.

 

Now this is where the new version of the scam becomes clear. Why would he refund us $10 more than the items original cost?

 

If we do this and close the ebay case and throw out the item then he has up to 180 days to make a paypal claim since there is no tracking number from us. He well win and get the $43.23 back and we still pay $1.99 in fees and loose the $34 original ebay item cost.

 

It specifically says: "Ship to the address on this page. Save your tracking or shipping info."

 

Now we need to convince ebay of this and I think they will not see it.

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Update. As suggested we called paypal and they said send that $ back to the scammer right away and not accept ebay refunds like that and to NOT close the ebay case as she has seen this scam lots lately and mentioned that ebay is completely oblivious to it.

 

She said I would have to open a fraud case to get back the $1.99 seller fee and that was something she could not do. So I called back and they had just closed for the night. 6pm, bad hours... Will call during my lunch break tomorrow.

 

Then sent a message to the scammer about the $ we refunded him through paypal and uploaded screenshots of the whole transaction and refund back to him. Then called ebay and they refunded us within 10 minutes. The agent was clearly angry at his coworkers for their uselessness in the matter. This claim had dragged on for 21 days.

 

We just received a new printhead from the only known reliable chinese seller of these and the one printer is back to 100% now for another 2 to 2.5 years. We will never again buy a printhead from anyone else ever. Took 6 days to arrive from china. The scam one took 59 days. How could we be so stupid.

 

 

Ok mrdutch1001.

 

Ok lets do the math on why it would be totally insane to keep buying new printers when only the printhead needs replacing.

Bought these printers back in 2015 along with 2 sets of 6 refillable self resetting cartridges and 2 sets of 6 bottles of ink 1 liter per bottle. Printers were $275 each. Refillable cartridges were $65 per set of 6 colours. 12 one liter bottles of ink $200

 

We usually use a full set of cartridges weekly per printer. Retail on these 6 cartridges is $125.

125 x 2 printers x 52 weeks x 9 years = $117000 canadian dollars plus 12% manitoba tax = $131040 (check the math it is correct)

 

We still have ink left in the bottles. Total cost of ink and refillable cartridges for 2 printers with no tax at the time was $330 canadian plus $35 each for a new printhead per printer every 2 years or so. $280 for 8 printheads plus $330 = $610 which is not even close to the $131000 than enyone else would have paid

 

That amount is more than I paid for my house. And we got burned for one $34 printhead in 9 years.

Why don't you call PayPal and tell them what's happening?  Ask them what protection you have against the seller / now buyer (?) filing a claim and ask them how you should proceed.

I think this is a lesson learned: DO NOT order printer parts,accessories from China! Not only is there an obvious language problem between buyer and seller, but printers are so cheap these days, it's more economical to purchase a new printer than to repair an existing one. There really is nothing that anyone in the community can say that is going to change what has happened. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst and move on!

The shipping address (his) is in chinese with no english at all on our end in paypal. Canada post cannot use the chinese version whatsoever.

 

How does it look when you run it through Google Translate?

Print the label- gibberish and all.

Then if the address is an address- which is a question in itself- print it out from GT, and paste it beside the eBay shipping label.

Cross all your fingers and toes.

 

EBay "sees" you used their label.

Canada Post can read your label.

China Post can read your label (because English and Chinese are both UPU accepted languages)

Do not uncross your toes yet.

The parcel is delivered.

You are refunded. Maybe.

Fingers crossed.