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Good morning ebay community, buyers and sellers and friends! I had my account restricted this morning because Ebay sent me a message stating that my 1982 Small Date Doubled Die Reverse was a fake. REALLY? A FAKE? Why, because I choose not to send it out to get graded and pay someone else to tell me what I already know? Because it's not authenticated by these companies, like Ebay, that charge an arm and a leg to get the little guy like me on the right path? I FIND THIS TO BE ABSOLUTELY 100% WRONG. My coin is very real and extremely rare. I've been dealing g with Collectable currency for over 10 years now, which is maybe not as long as some of the really experienced guys around, but ling enough to know when a coin is real and when a coin is fake. Please help me by giving me advice and please take a look at my coin for yourselves. Cheers.
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EBAY HAS PUT A HOLD ON MY ACCOUNT, THAT I RELY ON FOR INCOME RIGHT NOW FOR 3 DAYS, STATING THAT THE FOLLOWING PICS, ONE COIN, BEING THE 1982 SMALL DATE DOUBLED DIE REVERSE, ONLY 3 KNOWN EXAMPLES TO DATE, AS PER COINOPP AND OTHER RESSOURCES, ARE STATING THAT IT IS COUNTERFEIT. COME ON EBAY, ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE THIS TINE AROUND, FESS UP, AND TAKE THE HOLD OFF MY ACCOUNT. BECAUSE EBAY!!! YOU ARE WRONG, EBAY YOU ARE VERY, VERY, VERY WRONG. MAYBE IT'S YOU GUYS THAT NEED TO PAY THE 1000'S OF DOLLARS TO GET THE COINS RIGHTFULLY VERIFIED?
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mcrlmn
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Extremely rare if authentic.

IMO if authentic I would sell this coin in a live reserve auction.

 

Regardless of where you sell, the value of an authentic 1982 Small Date Doubled Die specimen far outweighs the cost of authentication.

IMO to sell any coin over $75, certification is a cost of doing business and a requirement I'd want to protect myself as a seller.

I would've done it already, and am baffled as to why you feign doing so?

As a buyer, without authentication, I wouldn't go near it.

 

Without higher definition close up photos of the reverse and obverse sides of this coin outside of the 2x2 flip... meh don't know.

What do you think brought the listing to eBay's attention, and what was your asking price?

 

Zinc 1982 cent doubled die

"possible surviving pieces of this particular doubled die are likely between 100 and 500 pieces, of which fewer than 20 percent are likely to currently be uncirculated in grade."

"a lower-grade uncirculated piece should one be found is $1,000 (MS-60 through MS-63). Circulated coins should sell between $300 and $750, while higher grade uncirculated pieces (MS-64 and above) should exceed $2,000.

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Most of the stamps I sell are uncertified, and I have not had any problems with eBay about listing them.  Selling is another question. *sigh*

 

And eBay accepts certification from expertizers besides those they name in their drop-down menus.

 

It sounds as if someone (a competitor perhaps?) reported your item, although eBay generally ignores Reports from a single member, favouring Reports with multiple complainants, which would be more reliable.

 

In what way is your account restricted? Did you have more than the 140 listings I see at the moment?

Do you mean eBay did not allow you to list that particular item?

Is the Lincoln 1969 penny you have listed at $1200 a different item? (BTW that picture of the reverse seems to be upside down, perhaps intentionally.)

 

 

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Thousands of dollars for certification?  It's a different field of course, but the American Philatelic Society, the Royal Philatelic Society, and the Vincent Graves Green Foundation charge a minimum of $25 for expertization.

 

I'm surprised that numismatic organizations charge so much more than the value of the coins they are expertizing.

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We heard you the first time:

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS...

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@eatsheatsaybe 

 

From last falls Announcement

 

https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Announcements/2019-Fall-Seller-Update/ba-p/426815

09-04-2019 09:41:47 AM

 

Policy Updates

  • Correct a policy issue and continue selling without penalty
  • Automatic updates of existing listings to support return policies
  • Returns exception for Jewellery & Watches

Tried to get clarification as when this applied or how to resolve these situations. Was never able to locate.

 

-Lotz

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It is up to the seller to prove that an item is authentic so it would be best to get your higher priced items certified by a ebay recognized coin authenticator.   I'm sure that buyers will be willing to pay more if they know that the item is authentic.

 

On another note....make sure that you sell your $1200 coin with a signature required otherwise the buyer can file an item not received claim. Anything over about $850C requires a signature in order to be protected for an inr claim.

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@pjcdn2005 

USPS and Canada Post are not promising Signature Confirmation at this time, I believe.
Do you know if UPS or FedEx are collecting signatures?

With that value of an item, a US buyer (the most likely for a US coin) would be paying duty and Internet Sales Tax in any case, depending on what state the buyer is in.

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l mainly sell coins here, from my private collection and with the procedes, buy other coins that l want. lt would be almost impossible to have all the coins independently graded and a considerable waste of money. lt really is a case of ‘buyer beware’. l have over the years seen many ‘experts’ give quite surprisingly different grades for some coins. You can see this easily on-line from many coin specialist shops etc. l believe it important not to suggest a grade when selling here, unless l know for sure it was UNC. I normally say ‘ very nice coin, good grade etc’. l recall seeing someone on here selling fake gold soveriegns a year or so ago for a few bucks each and was quite shocked, as they looked genuine. Of course its well known that there are alot of fake gold soveriegns out there and most are very very hard to spot, so......so...buyer beware.

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@eatsheatsaybe 

 

I'd like to see the text of the notice eBay sent you. often times they use a boilerplate policy notice that can fit more than one (but related) policies.

 

There is this policy that might come to you as a notice that might appear to be about fakes (and it is sort of) but is not actually accusing YOU of selling a fake.

 

What is the policy?

Listings for current, exchangeable, ungraded currency from any country worldwide cannot exceed $1,000 in value, whether in a single listing or in a combination of multiple listings.

Activity that doesn't follow eBay policy could result in a range of actions including for example: administratively ending or cancelling listings, hiding or demoting all listings from search results, lowering seller rating, buying or selling restrictions, and account suspension. All fees paid or payable in relation to listings or accounts on which we take any action will not be refunded or otherwise credited to your account.

 

https://www.ebay.ca/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/stamps-currency-coins-policy?id=4337

 

This policy was an attempt to limit the number of fakes that could be listed by limiting ungraded coins.

 

Unfortunately eBay had become know as a hotbed of fake coins over the years. They instituted similar policies for other  collectible categories such as Trading Cards which also have a huge problem with counterfeits.

 

 



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@reallynicestamps wrote:

, a US buyer (the most likely for a US coin) would be paying duty 


I don't think there'd be any duty on a US coin entering the USA. It's pretty obvious they are made in USA.

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If that is the info that they sent the op, they should be able to list their higher priced coins if they get them graded. But they  do still have a listing for an ungraded $1200 coin up so I wonder why ebay left that one up if that is the policy they are concerned about.

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Fun fact:   The British American Bank Note Company in Ottawa was printing bills for Ukraine a few years back.

And many Canadian stamps are printed in the USA- particularly the hologram Space pair that had so many errors.

 

But yes, the name of the mint is on the coin I think.

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