November 25th 2015 Weekly Session

Hello everyone,

 

Welcome to our last weekly session for November. Please go ahead and start posting, I'll be here for most of the day.

 

Here are the issues I am currently tracking:

  • Gallery pictures missing from live listings (jt-libra)
  • UPC codes suddenly not recognized on live listings (mjwl2006)

And the issues for which I have had news:

  • SYI form stripping weight value when switching currency - The team is working to figure out a solution to this.
  • Full shipping FVF charged on combined orders with discounted shipping (dutchman48) - The billing team is investigating on this.
  • SYI preventing relist and Sell Similar if the original listing had a non compliant photo (pierrelebel) - problem has been identified and work has begun.
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@dmil8030 wrote:

 

Hello 'raphael',

We often hear on the boards here how eBay owns Kijiji, - indeed, there are endless posts from members expounding

the virtues of Kijiji (and other online sites, too, for the matter of that.)

Yet some others clearly believe that any mention of Kijiji is an unpardonable breach of board etiquette.  

 

How, though, is anyone to imagine that praising the utility of Kijiji  (where better to get a cast iron stove or an upright

Bell piano?) when an eBay employee posts an invitation to not only discuss the site, but to use Kijiji:

http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Canada-Town-Square/eBay-Announces-Kijiji-Please-let-us-know-your-feedbac...

 

"We encourage you to visit the Kijiji site", we are told by this representative of eBay.  Now wouldn't that be 

tantamount to "Enabling, encouraging, or instructing others to leave eBay so that they can sell, buy, or participate on sites

other than eBay that includes the sale of merchandise, auction-style listings, or services, such as off-eBay forums, off-eBay

groups, and other sit/es" ?  

 

It's one thing if an ordinary schmuck such as myself unknowingly makes such an egregious gaffe but for an eBay employee 

to so flagrantly violate policy is simply unforgivable, a most inexcusable offense for which only complete and utter 

dismissal would be appropriate.

 

You see, based on the 'encouraging' and 'instructing' by that eBay representative suggesting we should all feel free to 

"post a classified" on Kijiji, I would think imparting knowledge of Kijiji would be perfectly acceptable.  Even welcome,

for pick-up items  like speed boats.  

EBay is the best ever for mail order parcel/package items.  But large-sized pick-up items?  Not so much.  I used Kijiji

last year to sell a large upright freezer.  Or would folks here truly be daft enough to suppose I ought to have listed it

on eBay and 'mailed' it to someone?

 

(I'm not even going to mention the endless posts by members applauding - and  naming - other online shopping sites).

 

But for future reference,  because clearly everyone on the boards (me especially) needs to be informed, - both members 

and moderators alike,-  and in light of the enthusiastic encouragement from eBay itself as demonstrated in the above link,

 

 

. . .  is it permissible to talk favourably about using Kijiji?

 

 

Smiley Very Happy

 

 


Hello 'dmil8030',

 

I don't really meddle in board moderation issues. We have a 3rd party partner contracted for this task. They are instructed to apply the board usage policy as it is written, and members are expected to follow their guidelines.

 

As the policy states, it's not allowed to engage in discussions that aim to drive traffic or business off of eBay, no matter who owns the other company mentioned.

 

As for the comments posted by the eBay employee which you linked to, that is a post from August 2005 which aimed to announce the launch of Kijiji. I don't think it's fair to compare that to a member telling other eBay sellers how much success they have enjoyed on another platform.

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@mjwl2006 wrote:
Those aren't blackouts. It's placement in Best Match: if people from Texas start buying stuff, eBay will assume you're interesting to Texans and rank higher in search. It's like when you see a crowd of people at the mall. You assume they're doing something interesting, and look yourself.

It's the opposite of a blackout, really.

This may be what the other poster was referring to, but it isn't what I meant by my question.  I was referring to the practical "invisibility" of listings or sellers at certain times that has been reported by many sellers.  

 

I've experienced this myself as a buyer -- a seller who I know to have listings seems to be virtually impossible to find, or the listings don't show up in a normal, generic keyword search that would have brought them up at another time.  

 

I know this phenomenon exists, but I'd just like to know from Raphael if it's another bug or a deliberate attempt by eBay to manipulate and direct sales. 

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


@rose-dee wrote:

One more question, please. 

 

I currently have 2 active promos running on .ca.  One, which was issued earlier, is for 1,000 free listings (no listing fees).  The other, which is a bit more recent, and which represents a far larger potential savings for me, is for a $10 cap on Final Value Fees on 100 listings.  Here's the link: 

http://pages.ebay.ca/promo/2015/1122/BlackFriday.html

 

Can you tell me how I can be sure that an item I list will be counted under the FVF promo?  

 

I tried (as a test) to list an item using "Sell Similar", but it didn't show up on that FVF promo counter.  I'm wondering if it's necessary not only to create a brand new listing, but also to have used up all 1,000 of the earlier promo before the counter begins on the FVF promo? 

 

I guess that's really 3 questions in 1... Woman Very Happy


The counter on the free listings promo will go down every time you list an eligible item but the counter on the FVF promo won't go down until items sell and the FVF is applied.

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


@rose-dee wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

Hi Maureen,

As I mentioned before, we have protected sellers in the past when large scale events have disrupted the eBay business. Such palliative action is decided upon on a case by case basis, so it's hard for me to promise anything ahead of time.

 

Raphael, are any such accommodations being made by eBay at the moment to allow for the obvious delays that will be involved in shipping to western Europe?  Belgium and France are virtually shut down, and delays and backlogs are inevitable as border services step up the monitoring of incoming parcels and airports and train stations are shut down or delayed. 

 

You'll recall eBay put up a banner on the FB pages after Hurricane Sandy warning buyers of shipping delays to the east coast.  Will it be doing the same with regard to shipments to Europe?  


At this time I'm unaware of any plans to put up a banner for this occurrence. Keep in mind that when we do put such measures in place, it is usually in response to a measured impact on actual transactions, not as a preemptive measure on issues that could occur.


@rose-dee wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

 

   Concerning 'mj's' question concerning domestic shipping times: 

"Beyond that, please remember that the reason we don't hold seller accountable for a 100% record on any metric is because we know that sometimes, mishaps are inevitable." 

 

 

Yes, but if I understand 'mj's' concern, this is not a mishap.  This is an error on eBay's part that will, regularly and predictably, cause mishaps for sellers who ship to far-flung places within Canada.  I don't understand why eBay is ignoring this reality.  What your answer says is that eBay is not leaving the matter to sellers to do their best based on fair metrics, but on buyers to continue to be beyond fair and understanding even if parcels arrive later than eBay says they should. 

 

With all due respect, a better response from eBay would be that it will adjust its Canadian shipping timelines in line with Canada Post's.  Why is that so impossible? 


Making domestic delivery estimates better on eBay.ca is something we have been, and continue to work on. Until we're able to get the necessary investment to make that a reality, there is a bit of a silver lining in the fact that we have observed no such issues in the data we have been gathering since August. 

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session

 

<<the comments posted by the eBay employee which you linked to . . . aimed to announce the launch of Kijiji.>>

 

Right, and that eBay employee encouraged ebay members to use Kijiji.  If we can't take our guidelines from 

eBay employees,  how can we know what is correct or not?  The way you explain it, it seems to be based as much 

on self-appointed board monitors' preferences and the mood swings of the Lithium Moderation staff.

 

 

<<I don't think it's fair to compare that to a member telling other eBay sellers how much success they have enjoyed

on another platform.>>

 

It wouldn't be, if that's what I had done.  As you point out, << the policy states, it's not allowed to engage in discussions

that aim to drive traffic or business off of eBay>>,

which means that a whacking great number of people are in clear violation of policy because every week there are 

other members praising alternate online shopping sites.  

 

I had wondered why the mention of Kijiji seemed so upsetting yet these other posts remain unchallenged.

 

 

But if I may be so bold, you have not answered my question.  Shall I take it this means you don't know? Smiley Happy

 

 

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


raphael@ebay.com wrote:

@rose-dee wrote:

Good afternoon Raphael.  I have one question that is not meant to be a trick or a joke, but is of critical concern to many smaller, traditional, or "boutique" sellers like myself and has been the subject of a lot of discussion.  I imagine you won't like the question, but I hope you can provide an honest answer: 

 

Do intentional "blackouts" exist on eBay?  (I'm sure you will know what I'm referring to by "blackouts"). 


Hi rose-dee,

 

We never intentionally disrupt the normal course of business on eBay. That would be really bad for business!

 

Rest assured, if there ever comes a time when a scheduled downtime is necessary, the community will be amply notified. But there are no such plans that I know of, near of far.


There are plenty of unintentional blackout these past weeks, lol.

 

As for intentional blackouts, no, Best match is selecting what to show a buyer in search. I just think there are so many listings to show a buyer when using eBay criteria to select in Best Match. One sale can be enough to trigger sales for a seller as it makes their listings higher in rank.

 

A buyer may try Best Match to find an item but has little control over what they will see even if they add more keywords to filter out results. A more search savvy buyer will try searching by Newly Listed to catch items just being listed and buying them before others see them. The same savvy buyer will search by ending soon (especially for auctions) to find items they are interested. The savvy buyer will try other search methods to find things on eBay.

 

As far as I know, searching by other options other than Best Match will not filter out any results that match the search criteria since the search is defined by a know method (Ending soonest, Newly Listed, Price + Shipping Lowest, etc.).

 

My question to Raphael is whether what I just posted about non Best Match searches true. Do listing searched by ending soonest for example all show up somewhere in the search results assuming the search keywords match in all listing. To me, it should since the criteria is meet as it is based on listing time in this example.

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


raphael@ebay.com wrote:

The counter on the free listings promo will go down every time you list an eligible item but the counter on the FVF promo won't go down until items sell and the FVF is applied.


I'm sorry, I think I'm still a little confused (not unusual Smiley Very Happy).

 

Do you mean then that this FVF is unlike the previous FVF promo, which did keep a counter of the new listings I posted?  Those were the ones that actually got the free FVF offer applied, not any others. 

 

So if I'm understanding correctly, this current FVF promo will simply apply at random (but only for items actually listed during the promo period -- is that correct?  That is, in whatever order such newly listed items may sell, so I have no choice over which will specifically apply?  If none of the newly-listed items sells, then the promo won't apply? 

 

I'll have to hope my next 100 listings/sales are the most expensive items. Woman Very Happy

 

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


@dmil8030 wrote:

 

<<the comments posted by the eBay employee which you linked to . . . aimed to announce the launch of Kijiji.>>

 

Right, and that eBay employee encouraged ebay members to use Kijiji.  If we can't take our guidelines from 

eBay employees,  how can we know what is correct or not?  The way you explain it, it seems to be based as much 

on self-appointed board monitors' preferences and the mood swings of the Lithium Moderation staff.

 

 

<<I don't think it's fair to compare that to a member telling other eBay sellers how much success they have enjoyed

on another platform.>>

 

It wouldn't be, if that's what I had done.  As you point out, << the policy states, it's not allowed to engage in discussions

that aim to drive traffic or business off of eBay>>,

which means that a whacking great number of people are in clear violation of policy because every week there are 

other members praising alternate online shopping sites.  

 

I had wondered why the mention of Kijiji seemed so upsetting yet these other posts remain unchallenged.

 

 

But if I may be so bold, you have not answered my question.  Shall I take it this means you don't know? Smiley Happy

 

 


As I said, I don't meddle in discussion boards moderation issues, which is what this is. This weekly chat session is for discussing the eBay business and related issues. Thanks!

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


@pocomocomputing wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

@rose-dee wrote:

Good afternoon Raphael.  I have one question that is not meant to be a trick or a joke, but is of critical concern to many smaller, traditional, or "boutique" sellers like myself and has been the subject of a lot of discussion.  I imagine you won't like the question, but I hope you can provide an honest answer: 

 

Do intentional "blackouts" exist on eBay?  (I'm sure you will know what I'm referring to by "blackouts"). 


Hi rose-dee,

 

We never intentionally disrupt the normal course of business on eBay. That would be really bad for business!

 

Rest assured, if there ever comes a time when a scheduled downtime is necessary, the community will be amply notified. But there are no such plans that I know of, near of far.


There are plenty of unintentional blackout these past weeks, lol.

 

As for intentional blackouts, no, Best match is selecting what to show a buyer in search. I just think there are so many listings to show a buyer when using eBay criteria to select in Best Match. One sale can be enough to trigger sales for a seller as it makes their listings higher in rank.

 

A buyer may try Best Match to find an item but has little control over what they will see even if they add more keywords to filter out results. A more search savvy buyer will try searching by Newly Listed to catch items just being listed and buying them before others see them. The same savvy buyer will search by ending soon (especially for auctions) to find items they are interested. The savvy buyer will try other search methods to find things on eBay.

 

As far as I know, searching by other options other than Best Match will not filter out any results that match the search criteria since the search is defined by a know method (Ending soonest, Newly Listed, Price + Shipping Lowest, etc.).

 

My question to Raphael is whether what I just posted about non Best Match searches true. Do listing searched by ending soonest for example all show up somewhere in the search results assuming the search keywords match in all listing. To me, it should since the criteria is meet as it is based on listing time in this example.


Hi pocomo,

 

Best Match never hides listings, it only sorts them. So all sorting methods should theoretically yield the same lineup of items.

 

What determines whether an item shows up in Search at all are its shipping parameters and in some cases, category (for example, items listed in Adult Only will never show up in regular search). 

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


@rose-dee wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

The counter on the free listings promo will go down every time you list an eligible item but the counter on the FVF promo won't go down until items sell and the FVF is applied.


I'm sorry, I think I'm still a little confused (not unusual Smiley Very Happy).

 

Do you mean then that this FVF is unlike the previous FVF promo, which did keep a counter of the new listings I posted?  Those were the ones that actually got the free FVF offer applied, not any others. 

 

So if I'm understanding correctly, this current FVF promo will simply apply at random (but only for items actually listed during the promo period -- is that correct?  That is, in whatever order such newly listed items may sell, so I have no choice over which will specifically apply?  If none of the newly-listed items sells, then the promo won't apply? 

 

I'll have to hope my next 100 listings/sales are the most expensive items. Woman Very Happy

 


The promo will be applied not at random, but on any items matching the promo criteria during the time it is in effect.

 

Let me make sure I also understand it correctly and I'll come back to confirm.

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session

 

<<As I said, I don't meddle in discussion boards moderation issues,. . .This weekly chat session is for discussing the

eBay business and related issues.>>

 

Fair enough, perhaps I don't see it quite so narrowly.  When we click on the community.ebay.ca page we are told, 

Join the Weekly Board Hour where eBay Canada staff will be available every Wednesday to answer questions

from 1PM - 2PM Eastern.

 

 

No mention about it being exclusively reserved for "the eBay business and related issues".  But now we all know. 

 

Wouldn't it be nice if there were someone, then, who we could contact with other serious issues and questions, - someone

who would be willing and able to respond to our queries.  

 

But thank you anyway for your time.  I'm sure it can't always be fun. Smiley Very Happy

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


raphael@ebay.com wrote:
At this time I'm unaware of any plans to put up a banner for this occurrence. Keep in mind that when we do put such measures in place, it is usually in response to a measured impact on actual transactions, not as a preemptive measure on issues that could occur.
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I don't understand.  What's the sense of putting up a banner notice after many sellers may already have been impacted and their seller status damaged due to an unusual massive disruption?  
It's not unreasonable to expect that eBay would at least remind buyers to anticipate delays to countries in western Europe at this time, and give sellers a little leeway, is it?  Surely there are likely outcomes that are predictable when half a continent is practically shut down.   

 

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


raphael@ebay.com wrote:

Hi Maureen,


mjwl2006 wrote:

Hello and good morning. I'll just elbow my way in here today with a few issues I'd like to raise. 

 

1. Why were we not, as sellers, formally notified at the exact moment ‘restocking fees’ went live on all of our listings? Mine date back to Nov. 8. Trying to change the details on the SYI form results in many fatal errors.


At this point you're probably not going to be surprised by me saying that rolling out such a feature as a restocking fee functionality on a platform like eBay is not as easy and clear cut as one may think. In this case, there were unforeseen conflicts that delayed the initially planned roll out date and we were forced to proceed with more caution than we normally would need. As a result, different sellers got the feature at different times so we could ensure proper monitoring as we gradually turned it on.

 

Can you elaborate on the fatal errors you mentioned?

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I'm afraid that I can. There were threads that arose as a result, one that I created while in the throes of a two-day meltdown about it, as well as another from a member who discovered it later the same day that I did. They are: http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/No-Restocking-Fee-Set-on-My-New-Sold-Re-Listing-Without/m... which is mine and http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/Restocking-fee-option-in-Return-policy/td-p/319088 which belongs to maximus7001. The crashes indicated then remain intermittent now. 

 

 

 

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November 25th 2015 Weekly Session


raphael@ebay.com wrote:

The promo will be applied not at random, but on any items matching the promo criteria during the time it is in effect.

 

Let me make sure I also understand it correctly and I'll come back to confirm.


Thanks Raphael, I'd appreciate that, as I'd really like to take advantage of this promo but I'm not quite sure exactly how to go about it.  If it applies to the first 100 listings of any kind, whenever created, that are sold during the promo period, then it's not much good to me.  But if I can create a new listing during the promo period and know that I'll save on FVFs, then it's well worth it for more expensive items. 

 

Maybe the wording below (from the FVF promo) is what's confusing me, as it seems to indicate listings must be created during the promo period in order to apply (my underlining below).  This is why I wondered why the listing I created didn't get included in the FVF counter -- maybe it went into the listing promo counter first?). 

 

"Sellers who activate the offer and then list in the fixed price, auction-style, or auction-style with Buy It Now format, pursuant to the terms and conditions set forth herein, will pay maximum final value fees of $10 per item (“Promotion”) for the first 100 items sold, that were created during the Promotion Period, as defined below."

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Any news on the new eBay Seller Hub Beta. I am using it on eBay.com and like it. I especially like the new SYI form, a one page lister with no popup for adding pictures and no leaving the main SYI page to add a category.

 

When will it be coming to eBay.ca. I assume it will be delayed a few months to allow the programming of the English/French requirements for ebay.ca. I also assume it will be an opt in to try as it has a learning curve.

 

By the way, why did eBay.ca never add the new picture uploader to the SYI form that ebay.com has for a long time in the current SYI form.

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@pocomocomputing wrote:

Any news on the new eBay Seller Hub Beta. I am using it on eBay.com and like it. I especially like the new SYI form, a one page lister with no popup for adding pictures and no leaving the main SYI page to add a category.

 

When will it be coming to eBay.ca. I assume it will be delayed a few months to allow the programming of the English/French requirements for ebay.ca. I also assume it will be an opt in to try as it has a learning curve.

 

By the way, why did eBay.ca never add the new picture uploader to the SYI form that ebay.com has for a long time in the current SYI form.


I really wish I could give satisfactory answers to "why" questions... 🙂

 

The Seller Hub is planned to get rolled out to other country sites in 2016, with Canada behind such countries as UK, Germany and Australia. I can't give you an estimate of when it will be rolled to us with any certainty. 

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@mjwl2006 wrote:

I'm afraid that I can. There were threads that arose as a result, one that I created while in the throes of a two-day meltdown about it, as well as another from a member who discovered it later the same day that I did. They are: http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/No-Restocking-Fee-Set-on-My-New-Sold-Re-Listing-Without/m... which is mine and http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/Restocking-fee-option-in-Return-policy/td-p/319088 which belongs to maximus7001. The crashes indicated then remain intermittent now. 

 


I can't find any mention of crashes on the two threads you linked to.

 

I see that your restocking fee was set to "no" when the feature was rolled to you, and that because you already had a returns term that textually stated you might charge a restocking fee, that created a discrepancy for your listings. Sorry about that, but I'm happy you found a way to set the restocking fee appropriately.

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:


So far, all the data we have looked at suggests that buyers are very, very fair when answering the OTS question when leaving feedback, especially when they buy from another country. You can see it for yourself on your seller dashboard preview. Just like you, every single seller who expressed worries about missing the OTS metric have a 100% on time, all-green reading on their dashboard. There is nothing, at this time, that suggests that our delivery estimates data is inaccurate enough, or that your buyers are unreasonable enough to bring you harm via the OTS metric.

Beyond that, please remember that the reason we don't hold seller accountable for a 100% record on any metric is because we know that sometimes, mishaps are inevitable.

 


I don't have any late shipping incidents so far however, out of 433 transactions for the year,  my rate right now is based on just 10 transactions. That means that if I have just 1 late shipment, my late shipment percentage would be 10% so not only would I lose my TRS, I would no longer meet even the minimum requirements. If I receive another 5 or even 10 ratings in the next month, I would be below minimum requirements if more than 1 late shipment is reported. It's entirely possible that  there will be a couple of late shipments over Christmas and considering the number of items that I will be shipping, 2 isn't a huge number. But it is a huge number when it is based on such a small sample.

 

With the current standards, the defects don't affect our status unless there are 5 different buyers that gave us low ratings or opened a case etc. I don't see any mention of a minimum with the new standards. Is that reasonable that just 1 or 2 transactions can affect our ability to sell?  Has there been discussion about adding a minimum?

 

Another comment about the same subject...

 

A couple of weeks ago you said


"For lower volume sellers who are on a 12-months evaluation cycle, the OTS (On Time Shipping) metric will only get evaluated from September data onwards. Larger sellers will be evaluated on their past 3 months' data as usual.

 

If you wonder why September, it's because we think it's more fair to only use data gathered after we announced this change."

 

 

Obviously you can't base it on 12 months now because the question about late shipment hasn't been asked for that long but that means that until September, we are judged on the same percentage but on a smaller number of total transactions.  When the new rating starts in February, the late shipping rate for TRS has to be under 5% based on 5 months of sales.   In September, it is the same percentage but based on 12 months of sales.  So basically the percentage is really less than 5% between February and September as it is based on just a few months of transactions. That doesn't seem right.

 

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:


So far, all the data we have looked at suggests that buyers are very, very fair when answering the OTS question when leaving feedback, especially when they buy from another country. You can see it for yourself on your seller dashboard preview. Just like you, every single seller who expressed worries about missing the OTS metric have a 100% on time, all-green reading on their dashboard. There is nothing, at this time, that suggests that our delivery estimates data is inaccurate enough, or that your buyers are unreasonable enough to bring you harm via the OTS metric.

Beyond that, please remember that the reason we don't hold seller accountable for a 100% record on any metric is because we know that sometimes, mishaps are inevitable.

 


I don't have any late shipping incidents so far however, out of 433 transactions for the year,  my rate right now is based on just 10 transactions. That means that if I have just 1 late shipment, my late shipment percentage would be 10% so not only would I lose my TRS, I would no longer meet even the minimum requirements. If I receive another 5 or even 10 ratings in the next month, I would be below minimum requirements if more than 1 late shipment is reported. It's entirely possible that  there will be a couple of late shipments over Christmas and considering the number of items that I will be shipping, 2 isn't a huge number. But it is a huge number when it is based on such a small sample.

 

With the current standards, the defects don't affect our status unless there are 5 different buyers that gave us low ratings or opened a case etc. I don't see any mention of a minimum with the new standards. Is that reasonable that just 1 or 2 transactions can affect our ability to sell?  Has there been discussion about adding a minimum?

 

Another comment about the same subject...

 

A couple of weeks ago you said


"For lower volume sellers who are on a 12-months evaluation cycle, the OTS (On Time Shipping) metric will only get evaluated from September data onwards. Larger sellers will be evaluated on their past 3 months' data as usual.

 

If you wonder why September, it's because we think it's more fair to only use data gathered after we announced this change."

 

 

Obviously you can't base it on 12 months now because the question about late shipment hasn't been asked for that long but that means that until September, we are judged on the same percentage but on a smaller number of total transactions.  When the new rating starts in February, the late shipping rate for TRS has to be under 5% based on 5 months of sales.   In September, it is the same percentage but based on 12 months of sales.  So basically the percentage is really less than 5% between February and September as it is based on just a few months of transactions. That doesn't seem right.

 


It is going to be another gotcha, especially considering how few buyers leave feedback today. If the intent was not to gotcha, it would be base on total transactions, not feedback transactions.

 

This was the whole purpose of the change, to gotcha

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:

@rose-dee wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

Hi Maureen,

As I mentioned before, we have protected sellers in the past when large scale events have disrupted the eBay business. Such palliative action is decided upon on a case by case basis, so it's hard for me to promise anything ahead of time.

 

Raphael, are any such accommodations being made by eBay at the moment to allow for the obvious delays that will be involved in shipping to western Europe?  Belgium and France are virtually shut down, and delays and backlogs are inevitable as border services step up the monitoring of incoming parcels and airports and train stations are shut down or delayed. 

 

You'll recall eBay put up a banner on the FB pages after Hurricane Sandy warning buyers of shipping delays to the east coast.  Will it be doing the same with regard to shipments to Europe?  


At this time I'm unaware of any plans to put up a banner for this occurrence. Keep in mind that when we do put such measures in place, it is usually in response to a measured impact on actual transactions, not as a preemptive measure on issues that could occur.


@rose-dee wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

 

   Concerning 'mj's' question concerning domestic shipping times: 

"Beyond that, please remember that the reason we don't hold seller accountable for a 100% record on any metric is because we know that sometimes, mishaps are inevitable." 

 

 

Yes, but if I understand 'mj's' concern, this is not a mishap.  This is an error on eBay's part that will, regularly and predictably, cause mishaps for sellers who ship to far-flung places within Canada.  I don't understand why eBay is ignoring this reality.  What your answer says is that eBay is not leaving the matter to sellers to do their best based on fair metrics, but on buyers to continue to be beyond fair and understanding even if parcels arrive later than eBay says they should. 

 

With all due respect, a better response from eBay would be that it will adjust its Canadian shipping timelines in line with Canada Post's.  Why is that so impossible? 


Making domestic delivery estimates better on eBay.ca is something we have been, and continue to work on. Until we're able to get the necessary investment to make that a reality, there is a bit of a silver lining in the fact that we have observed no such issues in the data we have been gathering since August. 


From the underlined comment, you appear to be saying that what we currently have for estimates are here to stay for the time being at least.

 

I have to assume that the "Did it arrive on or before date" question will be used to find out how good the estimates are. And be used to "fix" some that are deemed inaccurate based on some statistical model used to check them.

 

I know from my checking of delivery time estimates I started when they were introduced years ago (I tipped you off to their existence years ago) on eBay.ca for Flat Rate shipping, the estimates have not changed. These are for Canada Post non-tracked services Lettermail, Letter-post, Light Packet, Tracked Packet and Small Packet. These services are used the most by Canadian sellers because of the high cost of a tracked service.

 

I found out long ago that the Flat Rate domestic service Canad Post Lettermail with a 2 to 6 day estimate was ridiculous. I am in the Vancouver area on the west coast and only Lettermail regular size mail goes that fast if at any. Small thin parcels shipped Lettermail Oversize are very slow taking 1-2 weeks easily to get to the Eastern part of Canada. I switched to generic standard shipping 1 to 10 days to get a longer time rather than pad Handling time as suggested by eBay.ca.

 

It looks like to me that the current estimates from a study years ago are going to be used for judging sellers. They will be refined by the "Did the item arrive on time?" for the non-tracked service at least. Unfortunately, sellers will be given defects because the original estimates are wrong and only after enough data is gathered will they be fixed by ebay.ca leaving the first sellers sellers punished needlessly.

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