GST/HST/PST and INCOME TAX for eBay Sellers

If you sell your own used personal items on eBay (and elsewhere) this thread is not for you. Sales of used personal items are generally not taxable.

 

Here is a quick summary of taxation rules in Canada as they apply to sellers who purchase goods for resale. It does not really matter if you sell online or through a brick and mortar store or both. Since you are in fact running a business (buying and reselling for the purpose of making a profit) your activities are subject to taxation.

 

Unless you have strong bookkeeping skills and knowledge of taxation laws, I strongly recommend you hire a competent accountant familiar with your personal circumstances – preferably one with experience in mail order business - to assist you in setting up your books properly and arrange registration with the tax authorities if required.

 

GST/HST/PST

 

If your annual worldwide business revenues (including shipping charges) exceed Cdn$30,000, you must, by law, register with GST/HST. For the purpose of registration, it does not matter if most of your sales are shipped outside Canada.

 

Start learning about it here: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/bsnss/tpcs/gst-tps/menu-eng.html

 

After you have read the information in that link, please read again. It is important to understand the concept and its applications.

 

Once registered with GST/HST, you must remit the tax (GST or HST) based on the province of residence of the buyer, regardless of where you are located in Canada. For example, if you ship to a buyer in Ontario, you will have to remit 13% HST of the transaction value. If your buyer is located in Alberta or Manitoba (for example), you need to remit 5% GST since Alberta and Manitoba are not HST provinces.

 

Whether you actually charge the GST/HST or absorb it is up to you. Many GST/HST registered online sellers absorb the tax to remain competitive with the majority of sellers who are not GST/HST registered. In any case, the tax must be remitted. To be candid, that is all the government cares about: getting the tax from you. They do not care if you collect it or not!

 

If you decide to charge GST/HST to your Canadian eBay buyers, in fairness, I strongly suggest you clearly state that fact in your listings. Most Canadian buyers expect their purchases from Canadian sellers on eBay to be tax free and some will even post negative feedback when charged tax unexpectedly.

 

While you are obligated to remit GST/HST payable, you also get the benefit of receiving Input Tax Credits (ITCs) on the tax you have paid at time of purchasing your inventory or when paying for the many services and expenses related to your business. ITCs are credited to you regardless where the goods are eventually shipped.

 

NO GST/HST should be charged or needs to be remitted for goods exported from Canada.

 

As far as PST is concerned, provinces that are not HST provinces have different rules and you should consult the tax authorities of your province (BC, SK, MB, QC) to understand your liabilities and responsibilities.

 

INCOME TAX

 

That is pretty simple. All Canadians are required to report their net business income (profit) and add it to other income (employment, pension, investment, etc…) to eventually arrive to taxable income.

 

There is no minimum, no exception, no exemption. All net profit must be reported starting from the first dollar.

 

To calculate your net profit, add up your revenues (sales, handling and shipping charges) for worldwide proceeds and deduct your cost of goods sold and business related expenses.

 

All amounts must be calculated in Canadian dollars. If you purchase and resell in a foreign currency (US$ or others) you need to convert those amounts to Canadian dollars prior to presentation on your Profit and Loss Statement.

 

If you are GST/HST registered, the tax charged or paid should not be included in your numbers, if you are not GST/HST registered, then the tax paid should be included in your purchases and expenses.

 

Only the net profit is added to your other income on your tax return (line 135).

 

For the benefit of online sellers, I prepared this sample Profit and Loss Statement a few years ago, Feel free to use it and/or modify it to your specific needs:

http://www.pierrelebel.com/lists/P&L-sample.htm

 

CRA provides similar forms for your convenience:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/t2125/README.html

 

If you have any questions on the subject, please post them here, on this thread.

 

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Your listings state that you are located in Hong Kong.

 

You sell on eBay as skymart-365

 

Based on this information you do not live in Canada.

 

In such a situation  you do not have to be registered with CRA to collect GST/HST....   on sales to Canadian buyers.

 

Canadian buyers are responsible for GST/HST owed when a parcel enters Canada., and is only due if the contents parcel have a value greater  than $20  ( If I remember correctly)

 

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However... if you lived in Canada.... then you could register ... not to collect GST/HST... but in relation to Input Tax Credits (ITC).

 

 

ITC relate to GST/HST paid to run a business..... purchase computers, supplies... and anything else required to run a business...  Once registered with CRA you can get  the ITC as a refund

 

A refund for ITC works well for Canadian sellers  that buy inventory, paying GST/HST,  in Canada,  and have a very high percentage of sales to buyers that do not live in Canada.... A sellers gets a refund if the  ITC is greater than the GST/HST collected for sales to Canadian buyers.

 

 

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cumos - read post #14 "I am a Canadian resident "

 

My comments were based on that information.

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CRA and GST/HST are one big learning experience.

 

Lots of reading..... Many concepts... many regulations... lots of CRA documentation to read ... and... understand.

 

Never be afraid to ask questions....  CRA has that telephone number....

 

 

Then knowing how to organize your records...

 

and finally knowing what to do once  you have all of your sales records  for one year......

 

Calculating ITC are relatively easy... most times....

 

 

An Accountant can be of assistance....   You the seller must also understand what is happening ... and Why?

 

If something gores wrong it is you the seller and... not ...  the accountant that is held responsible by CRA.

 

 

 

For me it was a lot of mathematics, in relation to what I sell... Books... and other items  as I did years ago...

 

 

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Canadian resident....  I was looking at the listings on eBay... and did not see that....

 

For this seller.... ITC are an important part of being registered with CRA....GST/HST

 

 

This only goes to show how complex CRA...    GST/HST  .... and for many provinces... PST... can be

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If something gores wrong....

 

Oops

 

If something goes wrong

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Thanks for your information.

 

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Thanks a lot.
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"Your listings state that you are located in Hong Kong. Based on this information you do not live in Canada."

 

I am a Canadian resident. I started to do business on ebay many years ago. At that time I have purchased items from Canada, Japan, and China. The goods which purchased from outside Canada were shipped to Canada before the selling. That means I shipped the items inside Canada. At that time I have no problem with HST/GST.

 

Later I found I have more and more international buyers and it is better for me to ship the goods directly from outside Canada. So I changed the location of the items into Hong Kong because currently most of inventory were purchased in China. Then I have the problem with the HST/GST.

 

 

 

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The important thing to do is contact CRA...

 

and explain your situation ... completely...

 

Collecting GST/HST depends on where the item purchased is located.... and if the buyer is a Canadian buyer... with the parcel being shipped to a Canadian address. 

 

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(1) If the purchased item is in Canada..  and purchased by a Canadian buyer

 

GST/.HST will be collected on the total of item price plus shipping and handling

 

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(2) If rthe purchased item is NOT located in Canada, and is purchased by a Canadian buyer....  You as the seller do not collect GST/HST.

 

Buyer will pay GST/HST based on the value of the contents in the parcel and listed on the customs declaration form.  This amount is collected when the parcel crosses into Canada,     and is not the responsibility of the seller.

 

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Contact CRA and discuss  very specifically in relation to (1) and (2) 

 

and once you have talked with CRA... let us know what they said 

 

 

 

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"and once you have talked with CRA... let us know what they said "

 

OK. I will let you know.

 

Thanks for your information. 

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It is not easy to get the right answer from a CRA agent on the telephone unless all your personal information and circumstances are available to the agent.

 

Often the correct answer depends on the context.

 

For example:

 

Q - "I ship from Hong Kong directly to buyers worldwide.  Do I need to register with GST/HST, collect and remit tax for Canadian residents?"

 

A - No  (and that is the correct answer)

 

Now let us add some information to the question:

 

Q - "I am already registered with GST/HST having imported goods from Japan and China for resale in Canada. Should I cancel my GST/HST registration if I ship directly from overseas to worldwide customers?

 

A - It depends.  Do you still have inventory on which ITC has been claimed?  What is your worldwide level of revenue (including shipping charges)?

 

The example above is meant to illustrate how difficult it may be at times for CRA agents to give the right answer since they generally do not have all the information.  They need context.

 

This is why I always recommend asking a competent accountant with experience and expertize in international mail order and GST/HST and familiar with your personal circumstances.

 

"One accountant said that I need to remit the GST/HST even the goods are shipped from outside Canada because I am a Canadian seller. Another one said that I don't need to do so. "

 

The first accountant was wrong.  Period.  Most likely does not have experience in worldwide mail order and does not understand how GSt/HST applies in those circumstances.

 

The second accountant was correct.

 

From my perspective, If you are currently registered with GST/HST and no longer ship from within Canada and no longer have any inventory on which ITCs were claimed, you should cancel your GST/HST registration - subject to the approval of your competent and experienced accountant.

 

Now, whether registered with GST/HST or not, it does not change your liabilities as far as Canadian federal and provincial income tax is concerned.  All net profits must be entered on line 135 of your annual tax return and added to your other income (employment, investment, pension, etc...) to arrive to your taxable income.

 

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Thanks so much for your comments.

 

"From my perspective, If you are currently registered with GST/HST and no longer ship from within Canada and no longer have any inventory on which ITCs were claimed, you should cancel your GST/HST registration."

 

I have asked the GST ruling department about the taxable income $30,000. The answer is just like what you mentioned before. It is total worldwide income. My total revenue is above $30,000. So I don't think I can cancel the GST/HST account.

 

"All net profits must be entered on line 135 of your annual tax return and added to your other income (employment, investment, pension, etc...) to arrive to your taxable income."

 

Yes, that is what I did. And I guess that is why CRA sent me a GST/HST review letter to ask me to explain why the amount on line 101 is high but the amount on line 105 is low. Have a great day.

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"worldwide income."

 

Actually, GST/HST is based on total worldwide gross revenues, not net income.

 

I realize the two words are often confused with one another.  Even the tax department keeps using the word "income" when they mean "revenue".

 

Line 135 is on the income tax form, not the GST/HST report form.

 

As a stamp dealer for the last twenty-five years, most of my sales (revenues) were generated outside Canada.  When filing my GST/HST return, I typically would have large revenues on 101 but small taxable revenues for sales made within Canada.

 

After factoring ITCs, the government would send me refund cheques year after year.  Them were the "good old days".  Now retired, I miss those big fat annual cheques!

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"Actually, GST/HST is based on total worldwide gross revenues, not net income."

 

Yes. You are right. Revenue is correct. My mistake.

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Yes, that is what I did. And I guess that is why CRA sent me a GST/HST review letter to ask me to explain why the amount on line 101 is high but the amount on line 105 is low. Have a great day.

 

I had that same question during a GST audit about 10 years ago and before that for an Ontario PST audit years before that.

 

My answer to the GST guy "98% of my sales are outside Canada".

 

My answer to the PST guy "I sell of lot of "these" which are not taxable.

 

Both were completely satisfied with those answers without any supporting evidence. Of course if they had wanted supporting evidence I would have had plenty to give them.

 

 



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When I send my yearly GST/HST record to CRA...

 

I send  a spreadsheet derived table of data showing all sales... worldwide , to Canadian buyers and then a breakdown among provinces.... books sold versus postage.

 

Never had a question

 

For 2013  I also included sales by an auction service... and stated GST on auction sales was collected by the auction service.

 

and if they wanted the original data...  It was available....

 

 

 

I have a running total, day-by-day , month after month, for sales during each year such that on January 1.... I have all of my numbers calculated for the previous year.

 

 

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I live in Manitoba  and sell only books.

 

Books are exempt from PST in the province of Manitoba.

 

One only has to register for PST in Manitoba  if taxable sales are over $10,000 each year

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@rose-dee wrote:

 

 

Of course Paypal (and to some extent eBay) provide some of these records, but it's raw data only, not able to be manipulated in any way.  However, many home-business accounting software products will permit you to upload eBay/Paypal data in Excel or similar format, in bulk, saving you time in inputting the data. 

 

 


Can you recommend software by name that I can use to upload Paypal data and that is easy for someone with no accounting background to use?

 

Thanks very much to you and Pierre for the valuable advice!

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For internet sellers...

 

Seller must register for GST/HST if the sum of

 

sales ...  plus ... postage

 

is greater than ....$30,000.

 

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Thanks.  What I'm looking for is a recommendation for software that I can use to parse sales information from Paypal to use for tax purposes.

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