Questions about the Global Shipping Program

Do you have questions about the Global Shipping Program? Please post here & I'll do my best to track those answers down for you!

 

If you have any comments about the program, use this forum instead.

 

Thanks,

~Kalvin
eBay.ca Community Manager

kalvin@ebay.com

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GSP  is a bonus for the Canadian government.    They get taxes on all imports without any expense on their part.   Many of these small imports would just be sent on without taxes added if they were not in the  GSP program.

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Up to 15% of the value of your item would be sales tax. There is sales tax even on duty-free items.

About $5 of the import fee is the PB handling charge.

 

So there's $11 of your 'import charges' right there.

Looks like the duty on your item is actually about $7 on the $42.

 

You should politely let your seller know what you were charged. In a charming manner, mention that eBay does not recommend using the GSP for items valued under $50.

And then helpfully let him know that USPS First Class International service now includes Delivery Confirmation to Canada, and handles parcels weighing up to four pounds.

 

 

Politely-- Captain Malcolm Reynolds

 

 

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arlene_v wrote:

 

I was surprised to read the following comment  made by an eBay employee Raphael@ebay.com during the March 12th weekly board chat

 

 http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Weekly-Board-Hour-Session/March-19th-2014-Weekly-Board-Hour/m-p/214464#U...

 

"The GSP team is working on a program enhancement specifically to allow US sellers to ship their GSP items to Canadians without charging the import tax and fees up front. The details of how this is going to work are still being figured out but we should see this implemented this year."

 

Please Kalvin, or Bennett, could you give us some idea of what this is going to look like, and also possibly how it will work? 

 

 


Maybe I'm cynical or unable to think that far out of the box on this, but the only way I can see this working is to have the buyer pay the import charges upon delivery instead of at the time of purchase.

 

And that's going to open up a completely new can of worms.  Can you say "refused delivery"?

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"The GSP team is working on a program enhancement specifically to allow US sellers to ship their GSP items to Canadians without charging the import tax and fees up front. The details of how this is going to work are still being figured out but we should see this implemented this year."

 

So, from that quote, the elite GSP "team" is looking for a way to enhance the program so the seller can do what they've been doing since eBay started, ship directly to the buyer without duties and taxes up front.

 

That begs the question(s)

 

1) what be the point of keeping the GSP then??

 

2) What kind of deal did the "team" make with PB and how long is eBay in for before the contract is up??

 

3) If no duties or taxes will be charged what is the roll of PB then??

 

I can't see why sellers just can't ship to the buyer and let Canada customs figure it out on the other end. There is no reason for sellers to not just ship it to the buyer. On a lot of seller pages there is a disclaimer that the product may be subject to duty and taxes. I've always known this and accepted it. No different then coming back from a trip. You know you have to declare what you have and you know you MAY have to pay duty and taxes.

 

For the number of items I have won over the passed 8 years (at a cost of over $6000.) I have paid duty/taxes on 10 of them according to my records. If a buyer refuses the item because of duty and taxes to **bleep** bad for him. The seller is out of it.  Let CC keep the item and dispose of it. It's not the sellers responsibility to do everything for the buyer. The buyer bears responsibility in this also, even more maybe then the seller - they have to pay attention to where the sellers responsibility ends and theirs begins. .

 

I don't understand why eBay just can't leave things that are working the hell alone. The only answer is they have a deal with PB and get a percentage of what ever eBay's GSP sends PBs way as eBay wouldn't be doing it just to benefit the sellers or buyers (that is premise) if they weren't getting their cut.

 

So buyers now have to pay for the sellers postage to PB, PB's handling and their postage charges, PBs calculation of CC duties and taxes which, is by any stretch of the imagination, a certainty and if PB charges to much to **bleep** bad for the buyer.

 

The GSP smells to high heaven.

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Bear in mind that the views expressed here are my own. They may or may not reflect any sort of reality under which Pitney Bowes and eBay are operating. 😄


@carrollnb wrote:

 

So, from that quote, the elite GSP "team" is looking for a way to enhance the program so the seller can do what they've been doing since eBay started, ship directly to the buyer without duties and taxes up front.

 

That begs the question(s)

 

1) what be the point of keeping the GSP then??

 


Keep in mind that the point of the GSP is to make international shipping as palatable as possible to U.S. sellers as domestic shipping is, even though buyers are footing the bill for the entire exercise.  Smiley Frustrated  Any sort of rejigging of the process for paying "import charges" would still see the sellers shipping to a central warehouse and having someone else initiate the international portion of the item's shipment.

 


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2) What kind of deal did the "team" make with PB and how long is eBay in for before the contract is up??

 


I believe Pitney Bowes already administers eBay's shipping label client, so I suspect the deal to adminster the GSP is an extension of that and the two deals are probably tied into each other.  To paraphrase what Cahn, van Heusen and Sinatra said about love and marriage: "You probably can't have one without the other."

 


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3) If no duties or taxes will be charged what is the roll of PB then??

 


Related to my first response, as things stand right now with the GSP terms and conditions, Pitney Bowes' role is largely that of an importing agent.  Sellers would still send their items to the Global Shipping Center for processing rather than directly to the buyer.

And don't forget that in cases where items aren't subject to tax and duty charges, the GSP's processing charges of four bucks (give or take) are folded into the item's shipping price.  That likely wouldn't change.

 


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I can't see why sellers just can't ship to the buyer and let Canada customs figure it out on the other end. There is no reason for sellers to not just ship it to the buyer. On a lot of seller pages there is a disclaimer that the product may be subject to duty and taxes. I've always known this and accepted it. No different then coming back from a trip. You know you have to declare what you have and you know you MAY have to pay duty and taxes.

 


I can't see why not, either, although you have to remember that some U.S. eBay sellers are of the Joe or Jane Q. Trailer Park variety and probably don't have the same world view as most Canadians.  Despite being a nation of immigrants, many U.S. eBayers have never shipped anything out of the country in their lives and see it as impossibly onerous.  

As far as the issue of items that "may be subject to duty and taxes," the impression I have from some of the posts on this board is that some Canadian buyers see that message but disregard it after a couple of purchases from the U.S. that don't get taxes/duty assessed and charged on them, figuring that the message doesn't apply to them in any circumstances.  But really, that's somewhat immaterial as the GSP was designed more to make shipping outside of the U.S. "easier" for U.S. buyers, not to be a cash-generating scheme for the Canada Revenue Agency.

 


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For the number of items I have won over the passed 8 years (at a cost of over $6000.) I have paid duty/taxes on 10 of them according to my records. If a buyer refuses the item because of duty and taxes to **bleep** bad for him. The seller is out of it.  Let CC keep the item and dispose of it. It's not the sellers responsibility to do everything for the buyer. The buyer bears responsibility in this also, even more maybe then the seller - they have to pay attention to where the sellers responsibility ends and theirs begins. .

 


Actually, what should happen with an item sent as an oversize letter (Small Packet / International Letter Post) is that if it's undelivered, it should be returned to the seller.  (Items sent as parcels may differ depending on the sender's instructions for undeliverable items.)  There have been a few posts on the .com site's International Trading discussion board of alleged reports of buyers refusing to pay taxes, etc. due on a postal import, refusing the items, filing successful claims of non-delivery and getting full refunds.  Unfortunately, there's nothing I can see that actually supports these claims, but they do tend to put a chill on the whole notion of direct international shipping.


@carrollnb wrote:

 

I don't understand why eBay just can't leave things that are working the hell alone. The only answer is they have a deal with PB and get a percentage of what ever eBay's GSP sends PBs way as eBay wouldn't be doing it just to benefit the sellers or buyers (that is premise) if they weren't getting their cut.

 

So buyers now have to pay for the sellers postage to PB, PB's handling and their postage charges, PBs calculation of CC duties and taxes which, is by any stretch of the imagination, a certainty and if PB charges to much to **bleep** bad for the buyer.

 

The GSP smells to high heaven.

 


As far as eBay was concerned, the status quo wasn't working.  Sales on the .com site had flatlined and the only growth opportunity was in international sales.  Like it or don't, this is an attempt to boost that aspect of the business.

The big problem with the GSP is that it's being largely used for items that are most cost-effective to purchase and ship as oversized letters.  It worked quite well for the electronics purchases my wife and I made.  I doubt that I'd have been able to purchase my item nearly as cost-effectively by any other means than the GSP.  What would likely help mitigate a lot of the issues with the GSP is education.

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With the new global shipping program, I have a package that cleared customs and then basically disappeared. The tracking number worked until the package entered Canada (from the US). I assume it's now with Canada Post but it is unfindable. Normally I wouldn't worry as it hasn't been that long yet and I'm in Newfoundland so I know it can take some time, but this was a VERY expensive package and there is no tracking information whatsoever once it enters the country. Has anyone else experienced this, and did you eventually get your package?

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I sent payment for an item I won but noticed that the address that was sent with payment is wrong.  In this case it's not simply letting the seller know about the change in address.  How to I contact Pitney Bowes?

 

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I don't have an answer for th e US end, but on the Canadian end, can you contact the current tenant and ask them to send on your parcel or to let you know when it arrives so you can pick it up?

 

Did you pay for Forwarding when you moved? You can buy three month and six month service, I believe.

 

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It's an internal tracking number and no, it is not usable by the buyer.

However, tracking is not a benefit for the buyer.

If the item does not arrive within 25 days of purchase, start an Item Not Recieved Dispute. If Pitney Bowes, who run the GSP, cannot show that the item is delivered then they will refund you in full.

 

PB uses Canada Post, especially to rural and isolated addresses, but also has been noted to use various couriers. They keep track, you can't.

 

Now, the item probably will arrive within the 45 day dispute period, and if it does, ethically you should be repaying the refund. I'm not clear on who you would refund though.

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@howsockgothappy wrote:

With the new global shipping program, I have a package that cleared customs and then basically disappeared. The tracking number worked until the package entered Canada (from the US). I assume it's now with Canada Post but it is unfindable. Normally I wouldn't worry as it hasn't been that long yet and I'm in Newfoundland so I know it can take some time, but this was a VERY expensive package and there is no tracking information whatsoever once it enters the country. Has anyone else experienced this, and did you eventually get your package?


I  personally haven't experienced it but it seems to be a common problem with the global shipping program. If you haven't received the package by about day 40 after payment...file an unpaid item claim. That is the only way to get back the amount you paid for the item as well as import and shipping fees.

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[[ Just posted this in the "Comments about the Global Shipping Program" thread. Thought it might be helpful here as well. ]]

 

Hi all. I haven't spent as much time on the CA boards lately, but we (eBay) are still listening. And believe it or not the comments (and questions) posted here ARE read, and taken into account. 

 

There are several recent posts in this thread, regarding general info on how the Program works. I will share some links below. 

 

As always I will try and respond to direct questions. Oftentimes I find that the Community does this more quickly (and better) than I can. So you won't see a "blue box" in response to every question posed here. 

 

I am also always happy to answer questions on specific transactions, via Private Message. If you would like me to assist in this way, please send a Private Message and include transaction #, item #, + eBay user id and email address used. 

 

This also might be a good time to paste the GSP-specific Customer Service info -- 

 

For Pitney Bowes customer service regarding GSP issues, you can email PBISGSPCS@pb.com to reach the GSP Customer Service group. Or you can call 1-866-235-9627, and press 1 to reach the same GSP Customer Service group. 

 

To reach GSP customer service on the eBay side, call eBay Customer Service ( 1-866-540-3229  [ or ] 1-866-643-1587 ) and request to speak with a GSP Specialist. If the CS person on the line cannot help they can transfer you to someone who can. Hours of operation: Monday - Sunday, 6:00am - 11:00pm Mountain Time. 

 

As mentioned above, here are some good reference points for the Program. For the most part they are seller-centric; however they still provide useful info.

 

New (-ish) GSP landing page. Good high-level place to start:

http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/shipping/globalshippingprogram.html

 

More detail. Including best practices, eligibility, shipping options, fees, etc., etc.:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/shipping-globally.html

 

FAQs:

http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/shipping/globalshippingprogram/update_faqs.html

 

Terms & Conditions. Not exactly page-turning stuff ... but lots of detail:

http://pages.ebay.com/shipping/globalshipping/buyer-tnc.html 

http://pages.ebay.com/shipping/globalshipping/seller-tnc.html

 

Hope this helps. 

 

---Bennett

 

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A seller from ebay.com shipped me out a parcel  by Global tracking no. UPAAA000000048034691 by multiple carriers.  When I received the parcel, I emailed to the seller because the item, a gold necklace, was not as described.  It was damaged.  So I emailed  to the seller that I wanted to return the item and he agreed.  I mailed it to The Shipping Manager, 1350 Rodick Road, Markham, ON, L3R 5X4.  That was the address on the top left corner where the parcel came from when it was delivered to my door.  To return the item I used Canada post Xpress delivery.  With this tracking no. 0103557000123728, I was able to check  on the site, WWW,CANADAPOST.CA.with the tracking number  that  I could see that the parcel what received with a signature on march 20, 2014 to The Shipping Manager.

 

The problem is I contacted the seller and he told me about global tracking and I asked in if they were able to trace back the returned parcel with the gold necklace to the seller home address.  He couldn't provide me with an answer because he didn't know. I asked him for his home address and I got it from him.  

 

Could you explain me if the parcel returned by me to your global post with process it ou to seller.  If not, what can I do to correct the situation and have the parcel returned to the seller.

 

Thank you for your time and I am waiting a explanation to my request.

 

Have a nice evening,

 

Guylaine from Canada

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The correct procedure was to do a Paypal claim for item not as described mentioning it was damaged. It seems hard to see how a gold necklace could have been damaged in transit, but in all probability the GSP would have refunded you without the need to return the item.

 

Now that things are really thoroughly mixed up, I think your only hope is to send a personal message to bennett (see above, and hope he has channels to make some sense of the mess.

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Hi Guylaine.

 

afantiques is correct, regarding correct procedure. You can refer to #4 on the Terms & Conditions page for more info -- http://pages.ebay.com/shipping/globalshipping/buyer-tnc.html

 

Technically speaking, returns are not supported by the GSP. If a return is desired, this must be worked out directly between buyer and seller.

 

With the GSP, return of the item is not required in order to request a refund. Once a "not as described" (or "not received") case is opened, the refund process proceeds from there. 

 

Your transaction is a little trickier, and I can't really speculate about status, especially given that you have already shipped the item to another party . I will have to reach out to some other team members for help on this one. I will also need some additional info -- so please send me a Private Message and include transaction #, item #, + eBay user id and email address used. 

 

---Bennett

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I recently purchased from a seller using the GSP. I followed the checkout procedure immediately after the auction, however for some reason the PayPal account provided in the listing was incorrect. As per the seller's request, I cancelled the payment and sent the payment to the correct account. However, the GSP charges were also reversed!

 

The seller has since shipped the item, which arrived at the shipper center yesterday, however I have no idea how to payback the import charges to PBI so I am concerned they will send back to the seller! Please help!

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Hi awhale1987. 

 

I can try and help from this end. Please send me a Private Message and include transaction #, item #, + eBay user id and email address used. 

 

Thanks.

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Why is Global Shipping charging Canadian Amateur Radio operators import duties and fees, when they are exempt from paying such charges?  Any radio/electronic item related to radio electronics is totally duty free coming into Canada, so why is Global Shipping forcing those wishing to buy these much needed items duty and import fees? When a licensed amateur buys an item from abroad, outside Canada, al that operator has to do is have his call-sign printed on the package in plain view of Canada Customs to have it totally exempt of duty frees. That only leaves a 13% HST sales tax left to be paid at the door when it arrives at the receivers home, baring on the sales price paid for that item when bought. This excludes tax incurred on shipping charges outside Canada. Global is collecting, and pocketing illegal money, that it should never have charged in the first place at time of payment for the goods. Also, why should it be the seller that defines, in what manner an item is sent to the buyer, when it's the buyer that paying the money to have it sent to their home. The choice should always be the buyers choice, not eBay, Global, nor the seller. There should be an option in place that allows the buyer to not use Global Shipping, if they don't want to use that means of having it sent to them. The buyer has a right to choice, seeing they're the ones paying for the shipping in the first place. Global has over charged rates for shipping, and why should the buyer have to have their package shipped to Global, then forwarded on to the buyer's home? It's totally stupid in my books, and way to costly for the buyer. Like I said, Global has to stop charging legally licensed amateur radio operators duty fees at time of payment for the goods bought. It's an illegal act under international laws, when these folks are duty exempt for goods coming into their country. I'll be requesting a seller drop Global Shipping on an item I most definitely need, when bidding on it, and if I end up with the final bid, and Global Shipping is not dropped, and I'm required to make payment, I will refuse to pay for the goods till Global Shipping is removed completely from that said sale, as I should be the one, and only one, to have the last say in how my bought item is to be sent, and by what means is used to get it to my home. As a licensed amateur operator, I refuse to pay for Global Shipping from now on, when items bought, and needed pertain to radio electronic goods I need for my radio shack. I'll be sending a note to our government about this as well, and bring them up to date on this matter.

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I would like to know, why Global Shipping is the automatic default method of shipping when a seller setups a sale? That's not right. If the seller doesn't specify the shipping method he/she wishes an item sold, it just comes up Global Shipping? eBay smarten up. That's indeed not right at all. A sale listing should not be posted, till the right method of shipping is set by the seller. It should never, ever come up as Global Shipping automatically, if the seller misses the feature on how they setup the shipping method they want seen in their listing, and plan to use. That deters the sale from prospective buyers internationally, and well as cheats/defrauds those that are duty exempt buying those items that are duty free in the shipping, such as amateur radio operators buying radio/electronic parts for their radio stations. Any and all electronic parts, radios, test equipment, and such are totally duty free to amateur radio operators on goods being mailed into their countries by international law, and they should never be charged duty fees through Global Shipping. If a package arrives at Global Shipping, that bares the call-sign of an amateur radio operator, printed plainly beside the name of the recipient of the package, and full refund of the  duty/import fee should be given back to the buyer without any questions asked. It's either that, or Global Shipping is at fault of defrauding the buyer of money given for duty and import fees in that sale, and you know full well, Global must be pocketing that defrauded money, because if a Canada Customs agent saw the call-sign written beside the receivers name, it would be cleared as "duty free", so someone other than the Canadian government is pocketing this money, if a package sent to Canada, and bought by a Licensed amateur operator, where Global has charged a duty/import fee, and not returned the duty/import payment back to the buyer of that said package. That's fraud, plain and simple. I'll be making the Canadian government aware of this practice by both Global Shipping, and eBay. Global has no right to charge duty/import fees on a radio/electronic item bought by a licensed ham operator, nor not, refund the mistaken payment, back to the buyer when noticed a fee was unjustly charged to the buyer in this matter. I'm going to have our government look into this matter very seriously, because Global is cheating people out of hard earned money when doing this.

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Global is collecting, and pocketing illegal money, that it should never have charged in the first place at time of payment for the goods.

 

You are paying that GST/HST upfront. It is not 'illegal'

 

The buyer has a right to choice, seeing they're the ones paying for the shipping in the first place.

 

You do have a choice of shipping method, just avoid GSP items. Shipping should always be a seller's choice as they are the ones responsible for safe delivery to you. The wise seller offers what the sensible buyer would choose themselves, GSP sellers are usually the least wise of sellers.

 

Items are shipped as freight and clear customs collectively, taxed according to the cargo manifest supplied by PB or its agents and compiled from information supplied by ebay and the seller. The seller can increase the charges by not specifying country of origin of the items, but the charges will be correct (usually) in accordance with information supplied.

 

It is the fault of the people who introduced a system that really does need a lot of explanation for sellers with just about no explanation at all that buyers perceive it as 'illegal' and a 'cash grab' (whatever that is) but it will be of no interest whatsever to the Canadian government as the process is exactly the same as that used for freight imports for centuries.

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I would like to know, why Global Shipping is the automatic default method of shipping when a seller setups a sale? That's not right. If the seller doesn't specify the shipping method he/she wishes an item sold, it just comes up Global Shipping? eBay smarten up. That's indeed not right at all. A sale listing should not be posted, till the right method of shipping is set by the seller.

 

It does not come up automatically. The seller has to be opted into the system, and they can now opt out.  Many do not know they are opted in because of the sneaky way it was done, but sellers are free to chose what they like. Even if their choice of the 'right' method is not yours. Or even a remotely sensible choice.

 

Please remember that US sellers do not see what you see when they look at their items. They do not see the international charges, just the domestic ones.

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