Can we ask Ebay to be more Fair with Fee Structure?

Okay strap on your seatbelt and keep your eyes on the road. I guess we can say that the Honeymoon is over! But here's the thing about taxes and doing business. If you claim all your expenses, there is only a fraction of what you sell to be taxed. Maybe this will be better in the long run. I have tried to make CRA understand that Ebay isn't calculating the Fees properly. Ebay is profiting from the Taxes that the Buyer is paying. Even worse, the taxation is being encapsulated and that means you and the customer are paying taxes on taxes.

This gets Heavy but you need to understand how this Business and the Efforts you make, pan out!

Look at the breakdown in the details of a typical Ebay transaction!  Here's an example:

A Snoop Dog CD is sold for $15 and shipping is $10. Sales Taxes are at 13% in Ontario.

So the Grand Total of the sale is $28.25

Now Ebay is charging the Fees based on the $28.25 amount

The Fees are currently around 15% (final value fee in music category) plus another 40 cents (order fee)

The total Fees would be $4.64 which is $4.24 plus the 40 cents

But wait, you have to pay both GST and PST on the Fees too! $4.64 x 13% = 60 cents

so now the cost is $5.24 ($4.64 + 60 cents)

* So you actually only made $9.76 on the sale of the CD ($15 - $5.24)

Reality is that you have paid 35% in Fees and Taxes on this $15 sale! Wow!

The other thing to remember here... is the fact that you are charged taxes on the shipping service. Now these taxes are embedded in the transaction.

This is what I meant about paying taxes on taxes. 

And keep in mind that there may be a Promotional Fee tacked on too. A nice gimmick and key to success. 

But another huge hit on the profits!

IT Doesn't seem FAIR right? The fact that Ebay is making a profit on a Fixed Cost (shipping charges) plus profiting on the Taxes.

* But keep in mind that you have shipping materials cost, power cost to run the computer and printer, and the ink for the computer. The gas cost to take the package to the Post Office. Let alone the time you put in.

So at the end of the day you might only make $8 on that $15 CD you sold.

This is what the CRA will look at with respect to your income revenue. The thing is you will have to register a Business to claim expenses and that means more cost and more work!

I have tried diligently to prove all these unfair Accounting Practices in Ebay's Fee Structure, but I digress. We can all prove a point though, and make the people running the Corporation and our Government understand that this must be a much better and equally benefiting system with Money paid for Service.

Just Another fine example of Capitalism and what drives up Inflation!

Like my Father use to say, "Look behind the Curtain".

 

 

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marnotom!
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The buyer of the item pays taxes on the value of the transaction.

The seller pays a fee that is a percentage of the transaction value.

The seller pays taxes on the fee, not the transaction. The fee is a new product.

If the seller is registered to do so, the seller can receive tax credits for the taxes on the fees.

I’m not sure where the unfairness lies.

No one said life was fair...and that saying has been around for centuries...

selling on eBay is a choice....

Life is about making choices...

Choices can be good...

choices can be bad...

choices can have rewards...

choices can have have consequences...

so make your choices accordigly!

C'est la vie!

Que sera, sera!

You are not paying taxes on taxes.

You are paying a fee to a private company for the service of collecting and remitting taxes to the appropriate governments.

That's governments.

With an 's'.

Something over 200 different ones-- did you know that NYC has a municipal sales tax?

 

And FWIW.

When eBay charges us their fees on our buyer's entire payment, they are following the Standard Practice of payment processors going back to the arrival of the Diner's Club card some 75 + years ago.

@solid2themax  We all know how it works. The taxation on the fees (even on the tax) is correct because the fees are for the service eBay provides. It would be nice if they didn't charge fees on the tax portion, but this is pretty much standard across all industries. Credit card providers have been doing it for decades. I'm pretty sure most other large selling sites do it as well. The reason you can't make the CRA understand your viewpoint is because eBay is doing this correctly. 

 

The transaction in eBay isn't one big blob. It's basically separated into three parts:

 

Transaction 1: Between buyer and seller / ebay -> Buyer buys an item and pays tax on their total purchase.

 

Transaction 2: Between seller and eBay -> eBay charges fees on the transaction, which means tax is charged on the fees. This tax you may be able to get back if you have a tax number.

 

Transaction 3: Between seller and shipping company -> Shipping company charges the seller for the label and charges tax (if applicable). This tax you may be able to get back if you have a tax number.

 

The only real problem is with eBay Labels on Transaction 3, because eBay isn't breaking the tax out (even to indicate that it's being charged) which to my understanding means that sellers with a tax number can't claim it.

 

Finally, a question. On the $10 shipping, what did it actually cost you to ship the item (including tax)?