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ilurkthereforiam · ‎04-14-2013

Trudeau is the leader of the federal liberal party. Is he their saviour or will he get slammed and the liberals will be looking for someone to replace him in four years?

pierrelebel · ‎04-20-2013

Let's not compare what Rae (an NDP Premier) did in a province to what a Liberal Prime Minister (Justin Trudeau) can do in Ottawa.

To suggest the social benefits enjoyed by the folks in overtaxed Quebec would be implemented by a Liberal Prime Minister fails to understand the different jurisdictions. One has nothing to do with the other.

Since Liberal Prime Minister Pierre E Trudeau repatriated the Constitution in 1982 - Quebec refused to sign - the federal Liberals have not really been welcome in Quebec. On the contrary. It is a Conservative Prime Minister, Brian Mulroney, who almost got Quebec into the Constitution through the Meech Lake Accord. However, both Manitoba and Newfoundlanfd balked at the last minute.

"Tell you what you want to hear and then do what he wants."

That describes most politicians from ALL parties, including our current Prime Minister.

ilurkthereforiam · ‎04-20-2013

What wealth. I had an uncle who was a truck driver who left a bigger inheritance for his heirs (not me) than Pierre did.

I guess he wasn't very good at handling money. Lets hope Justin didn't inherit that.

Paul Martin is alot richer than Justin and we all like him.

Btw Pierre Bob Rae is a liberal now and he still can't get elected.

brandeentertainment · ‎04-21-2013

I think to be where he is and as young as he is in an accomplishment and must say something about poor justin lol..

I wouldn't judge him by what his father did but rather try and believe he learnt from his father's mistsakes and would do a better job.. I also think he is young and has alot to learn but the old farts sitting there debating isn't helping the country out so maybe someone with less knowledge and a clear direction will do better ...

One thing I do fear is he will come become PM and give native americans and quebecer everything and what the economy crumble ...

not saying natives don't deserve stuff but i truly believe that too much too fast would hurt the economy..

his lack of knowledge could be bad but could be good many people with a wealth of knowledge will just talk and debate and talk and debat and talk and debate and DO NOTHING ..

rose-dee · ‎04-21-2013

Justin Trudeau is in a unique situation, with one foot straddled on each bank of a very fast moving river:

a) On one side are all those who reviled his father, waiting for Justin to say, or do, something reminiscent of the worst of Pierre Trudeau's arrogance and the recent egregious machinations of the liberal party old boys, so they can say: Aha!

b) On the other side are all those for whom he is either an entirely new and fresh beacon of political hope and expression or the torch-bearer for the best of his father's (and his father's party's) achievements, so they can say: Aha - a kinder, gentler Trudeau!

I see both sides in a tug-of-war over the next 2 years (or as much time as it takes for an election to be called and Justin Trudeau to hone his political skills). He does have political equity to draw on, through his father's reputation and that of other Liberals who did great things for Canada, but he has to be careful not to draw on that equity too much or too quickly. It is limited, and he has to establish himself as a politician with his own voice and vision before that fund runs out.

Personally I think he has to be careful about his good looks and charm. They may attract younger voters, but could work against him for anyone who might recall his father's use of his own charisma, the pirouettes, red rosebuds and bird-flipping, and the silly antics and non-sequiturs for which his mother was ridiculed so openly in the press.

I watched the recent Mansbridge interview of Justin Trudeau in its entirety. This Trudeau, unlike his father at roughly the same age, does not yet seem to have the self-possession of a fully matured intellect, nor was he able to clearly delineate a view of where he would like to take the country. He's quite obviously still in learn-as-you-go mode. Although he positioned himself in a deliberately relaxed and laid-back posture, in informal surroundings (a library), there was something just a little forced and uncomfortable going on.

He seemed intellectually squeamish, casting about for the "right" answer during the Mansbridge interview. Granted, anybody would be a bit tentative and nervous in front of the icon of Canadian broadcasters. Justin Trudeau has to learn to get over that. Barack Obama provides an interesting analogy, although Justin Trudeau doesn't seem to possess the searing intellect of Obama (or likely even of his father, Pierre). This too, could work in his favour of course - less pontificating and lecturing, and more action.

He could be an impressive figure for change, and he has a natural charm and that impossible-to-manufacture trait of likeability in his favour. But he has a very hard road ahead, both personally and politically, to resurrect the Liberal party and win trust back from Canadians.

Meanwhile, of course, Harper and the rest of the crew on the other bank will not be making his quest any easier - they'll be sure to keep the slings and arrows coming. Justin's going to need a thick skin and a strong backbone.

i*m-still-here · ‎04-21-2013

Watch them polish him up!

Remember Palin? They did a decent job on even her.

Have you ever seen how a newbie fresh off American Idol changes?

That's what they'll do with (to?) Justin. Politicians/Show Biz........... all the same.

In a year from now, you'll hardly recognize him.

The stumbling wil be gone.

prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil · ‎04-21-2013

"Quebecers are better than the rest of Canada"?

Anyone got a link to the full ‘context’ in which that was said? That might be a bit… Important.

I had an uncle who was a truck driver who left a bigger inheritance for his heirs.

I find that hard to believe unless he owned TansForce.

The stumbling wil be gone.

Over the years I have watched the stumbling disappear, at least concerning Trudeau. Harper…..well he’s still falling flat on his face on a regular basis. Harper’s Twitter account lately has gone from political mush to vain attempts at humour, linking to clips from Seinfeld and the Simpsons, and links to pictures of Harper playing 'peekapanda' with the bears from China. Nice try but no cigar….and too late, because we all know it’s fake and pure PR done by his handlers. When it comes right down to it, who would most people like to invite over to their barbeque……..Elmer Fudd or Justin?

ilurkthereforiam · ‎04-21-2013

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Justin+Trudeau+inheritance+worth+million/7960615/story.html

Justin received $1.2 million and I bet his brother would have received something of similar value.

$2.4 is not all that much when you consider that Pierre was a lawyer.

He wasn't very good at spending our money. He was the first to use deficit financing.

I wonder how much he started with. He came from a wealthy family.

My uncle was a truck driver. He was a veteran of WWII who grew up during the depression who pinched every penny.

When he died, he owned several income properties in Toronto.

My uncle would have made a better PM than Pierre did.

prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil · ‎04-21-2013

You’re basing Justin’s worth as a leader by using a comparison of some financial worth of a relative of yours, compared to Justin’s father? Seriously?

rose-dee · ‎04-22-2013

Watch them polish him up!

Remember Palin? They did a decent job on even her.

With all respect, I don't think Palin is in the same solar system as Justin Trudeau.

Trudeau has substance and integrity but he just needs some experience and political self-assurance added to the mix to become the leader the Liberals hope he'll be.

I wouldn't underestimate Justin Trudeau, but he is going to have to deal with an awful lot of people who would like to see him fail before he can even prove himself.

i*m-still-here · ‎04-22-2013

I wasn't comparing the characters of Palin and Trudeau.

II was saying that Trudeau will clean up nicely.

If they could polish Palin (and they did a very decent job of it) ............... the handlers can polish anyone.

Nothing to with character......

Everything to do with appearances and presentation.

prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil · ‎04-22-2013

Everything to do with appearances and presentation.

You're right for the most part. We humans are first very 'visual'. It's that herding instinct we have in our DNA. Mulcair for instance is making a visually bad mistake with the beard. Stats have proven that people do not trust public officials with facial hair. I know, sounds strange, but that's what studies have shown.

There are also people who do not like Trudeau because he looks 'too good' and Harper's attack ads are pandering to these people showing Trudeau taking off his shirt at a charity event. Personally I think that those who do not like Trudeau because of this 'looks' are just, frankly, jealous.

We humans are a strange species. At least in the end, hopefully people can pass by their personal prejudices and look at those we choose to lead us based only on their abilities and possible abilities and on their records, as well as what we the voters want done.

In the world we live in people are always looking for 'hope', looking for something better and when it comes to politicians we do the same. When one politician becomes boring, out of touch with the people, evasive and hiding, not to mention having broken many promises....then people have a tendency to look for something ......better and more hopeful for the future. Hence the reason Harper is in a bad situation for the next election and his attack ads will only do him more harm than good, because it is showing a side of him that people are tired of.

I often look at Hazel McCallion as a lesson in politics. 34 years as mayor, straight forward, open and accessible, honest, feisty, one of the people. The total opposite of what Harper is. Harper won only because of a huge mistake by the Liberals of the time. After that he only stayed in because he had no real competition and those chosen as leader where all wrong as candidates. Well those days are over.......the people want hope back.....and before any 'product' can be sold.....you have to sell yourself as a person first and Trudeau has that down to almost an art.

pierrelebel · ‎04-22-2013

http://www.consultnetworx.com/attention-workforce-appearance-matters/

i*m-still-here · ‎04-22-2013

I'm not referring to physical appearance.

I'm referring to the way Justin presents his ideas.

IMO it's not so much what he says that leaves room for criticism, it's how he says it.

He sounds too wishy washy ................... THAT is what will change.

IMO his physical appearance is just right (Clinton was beautiful too and it didn't hurt him one bit).

When he is taught to present his ideas more succinctly .............. and that can be taught ....... he'll do just fine.

His physical appearance will change naturally along with that ............ (for better or worse).

Again......... compare the way Obama presented himself when he was first in office to the way he presents himself today.

Justin will undergo the same metamorphosis

That's what I'm talking about.

prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil · ‎04-22-2013

I agree. He will change and mature even more.

prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil · ‎04-22-2013

How people see themselves, compared to how others see them.

Interesting video: http://www.wimp.com/forensicartist/

valve37 · ‎04-22-2013

Trudeau is the leader of the federal liberal party. Is he their saviour or will he get slammed and the liberals will be looking for someone to replace him in four years?

There won't be enough of the Liberal party left after Justin to be bothered with a new leader.

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