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04-28-2013 09:41 PM
With their looming losses ahead, Canada Post needs to do an overhaul in order to survive. Every year, postage goes up and the service stays the same. I just received a shipment from Isreal - it was mailed on Sunday, probably left the country Monday and was at my doorstep Friday (5 days!). The parcel weighed at least 2 pounds and I was charged only $12; this same parcel on the other hand if I was sending it to isreal would be an exorbitant $40 and probably take up to 20 days to receive. I am afraid that if something doesn't happen soon, Canadian sales will fall into the toilet due to the high cost of shipping. I get asked all the time if there is a cheaper rate.
What does everyone else think?
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04-28-2013 11:21 PM
My brother sent me a package from Korea , where he teaches. Cost him $3.00 CAD. The exact same package going back to him, same type of service , cost me $55.00. Canada Post needs to understand that continually gouging us will not increase volume to the point where they can make money again. We need more and better, cheaper options, and then volume of mail will increase again.
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04-29-2013 10:21 AM
Why don't we just shut it down?
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04-29-2013 08:18 PM
They've turn the post office over to the private sector in many countries in Europe and the cost of letter mail has come down due to the efficiancies on non union labour.
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04-29-2013 08:46 PM
I went on the Isreal post site and put a package 1000grams from Isreal to Canada and it stated 120 of their currancy ( conversion to Canadian dollar was 34.99 ) not $12.00 so your shipper paid for the rest, of the fees. Secondly, you stated that it took only 5 days to come from Isreal to Canada. WOW great job Canada Customs and CANADA POST - you stated leaving Canada takes 20 days to receive it poor performance for Isreal's customs and postal system.
Your story seems to reaffirm that Canada Post is doing a good job with compariable rates with such a small country compared to our vast lands. Delivery times are superior to Isreal's including customs staff.
Tell me again.......... What is your beef?
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04-29-2013 10:58 PM
The real beef is that CP is losing $1 billion a year.
Time to shut it down and sell it's assets.
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04-30-2013 10:46 AM
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04-30-2013 10:56 AM
"The real beef is that CP is losing $1 billion a year."
Not quite. That one billion loss is a projection of what could happen by 2020:
A dramatically dwindling volume of conventional mail will push Canada Post to an annual operating loss of about $1-billion by 2020, according to a Conference Board of Canada forecast.
In a report titled The Future of Postal Service in Canada, published Tuesday, the think tank estimates that Canada Post’s transaction mail, addressed and unaddressed advertising mail and publication volumes will decline by 26 to 27 per cent by 2020.
The federal Crown corporation faces a series of challenges, most obviously the rise of the digital age, but there is no single change to prices or service standards – such as alternate-day delivery – that will be enough to ensure self-sustainability, says the report.
“Canadians recognize that the way they use mail is changing, but haven’t yet fully understood how severely that is affecting Canada Post’s business model,” said Conference Board vice-president of public policy David Stewart-Patterson.
“E-commerce is boosting demand for parcel delivery, but households are sending fewer letters, businesses are encouraging electronic bills, governments are moving to direct deposit, and advertising is moving to the Internet. Canadians must consider what kind of postal service they really need in the years ahead.”
"Time to shut it down and sell it's assets."
Easier said than done. If you "shut it down" as you suggest, who will deliver your mail? my mail? everyone's mail?
"sell its assets" - to whom? Who would want to buy assets that are not producing a profit?

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04-30-2013 11:42 AM
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04-30-2013 11:56 AM
Easier said than done. If you "shut it down" as you suggest, who will deliver your mail? my mail? everyone's mail?
The internet will.
If you don't have a pc or cell phone buy one. Or pay the cost of a courier.
You can pay your bills online.
"sell its assets" - to whom? Who would want to buy assets that are not producing a profit?
Some of the assets can be sold for a profit. Others will have be sold at a loss. The private sector sells off assets for a loss all the time. It is better to sell something at a loss, give it away or destroy it and use the money to use to make a profit on something else.
I sell nonperforming product at a loss once in awhile in order to be able to use the space for something that will perform.
Once I ripped off the covers off a bunch of magazines and tossed them in the garbage because they were nonperforming to make space for something that would perform.
The private sector does this all the time to cut our losses.
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04-30-2013 11:57 AM
Canada Post is a financial mess!! Many are under the impression that it's paid for by the government and it's actually not. Postage pays for their salaries etc. It's all paid for by the customers from what I read. That's why they're trying to raise the price of shipping to cover the financial mess they're in. So when you are in the red would it not make sense to cut back? That's not what happened. The union decides to strike and the workers get a pay increase. While Canada Post is wallowing in debt. The CEO also gave himself a pay increase as well as handing out bonuses to the higher ups. While they're wallowing in debt. To an outsider like myself it seems that there's a major mismanagement of money. They are now scrambling trying to close sorting facilities etc. but the damage has been done. I say privatize it and do away with the union. Right now something drastic needs to be done or the debt will keep getting bigger and the customer will keep getting ripped off more and more!!!
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04-30-2013 12:05 PM
USPS has a five year plan to return to profitability:
http://about.usps.com/news/national-releases/2012/pr12_0217profitability.pdf
However, I doubt very much they will achieve their goal.
The problems in the USA are very similar to problems in Canada despite the fact their unionized workforce seems to be more cooperative with their employer than the Canadian posties. The cost of their pension plan is killing them as it is hurting Canada Post.
Overall volume of mail is declining and will continue to decline on both sides of the border.
US Congress recently refused to allow USPS to drop Saturday mail delivery. That would have helped reduce some costs.
Many businesses face similar challenges: declining market for their product and service. Unfortunately both USPS and Canada Post - perceived as public service organizations - do not have the luxury to be able to reduce the level of staffing and service to accomodate a lower level of economic activity. Elected politicians will not allow them.
In their last labour contract, USPS workers gave in a bit to avoid a strike. In Canada we had work stoppage that did not prove nor solve anything.
Suggestions to keep paying the postal staff to do other things such as go into banking or whatever miss an important point: whatever manhours are spent in banking will results in thousands of bank employees laid off. Nobody wins.
There is no easy solution but to have both organizations be able to adjust their labour force and labour costs to the market they serve now and in the future.
Also, one cannot expect Canada Post or USPS to compete in parcel delivery unless their labour costs (including pension costs) are relatively competitive with their competitors (Fed-Ex, UPS, DHL, etc...).
The alternative is to continue racking up losses that will eventually be paid by taxpayers through higher taxes.
Do we want to live in a society where taxpayers subsidize some enterprises at the expenses of others? I do not know about you but I do not.
And yes, they do that in China. Do we want to live like the Chinese?

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04-30-2013 12:12 PM
They could hire me and pay me a $million a year and I would fix it.
If I can't they can give me a severance of $5million and someone else can try.
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04-30-2013 12:12 PM
What you are referring to is a projection of a billion dollars loss by 2020 not a actual figure. That report was generated by some board that the CEO of Canada Post is also a director of. If he feels he cannot manage the corporation then step down now while it is still making money.
I say again Windsor West MP Brian Masse has asked for Canada Post to open its books for government review. Canada Post stated competition act they will not open the books to the government YET. Canada Post has made a profit that is why they pay taxes to the government like you and I have to.
If they were losing this much money the Federal government would have to take them over by the Postal Act. That is why the MP is asking for the books for verification of these reports.
Other postal systems throughtout the world own their own printing labels company instead of using say Pitney Bowes like Canada Post does. They have banks right in the postal retail shops, they sell government licences and documents like passports services. In Germany they ship food to North America by their postal system. There is far more services the postal retail outlets can be doing to earn money yet are under utilitized this is why they do not make more money -- poor management and insight.
My local Retail postal outlet is in a corner store, their postal services are open all store hours from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. seven days a week. Do you have this? I bet you don't. All staff is trained on postal services and have been doing this for 15+ years. If Canada Post is to contract out services then this is what you should be getting. I would like to hear from people who work at postal outlets to compare what their hours of operation are.
Finally, Canada Post is asking for Canadians to comment on the type of services we would like to see in the future. Now is the time to respond. Go to Canada Post web site to comment, send a copy to your MP. They are looking for affirmation to super box the nation no more door to door and with the population aging this is not what I want to do.
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04-30-2013 12:20 PM
"They have banks right in the postal retail shops,"
That is going away. That is the old way of doing business.
Look what they did in New Zealand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Post_Office
Japan, where a large number of Japanese keep their savings, is also facing privatization - basically split banking and postal operations.

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04-30-2013 12:37 PM
I was wondering who Pitney Bowes was. I noticed I paid them 11.00 extra through global shipping on top of shpping costs to have a couple of sunglasses shipped to me. What a rip off that was!!
I also believe that the CEO should step down. Obviously part of the blame lies with him. As the CEO he has to shoulder much of the responsibility for his sinking ship.
At this point it's unaffordable for me to have anything shipped to me from the USA. I'm sure many sellers from the USA on Ebay are feeling it as I'm guessing there is a big loss in sales from Canada. I know for myself for the first time ever when I search for an item I hit the Canada Only button. Especially for larger items.
I also noticed on Facebook there are auction sites popping up all over the place that let people bid on items and pick them up in the area. You still get the feeling that you're getting a good deal by bidding on something for a lower price but without the shipping costs. They're slowly swooping in and stealing some business and there'll only be more sites like that unless Ebay goes back to being an affordable place to shop where shipping is concerned. Those are only my observations.
I don't know what Canada Poast should do but their first step should never have been to rip off the customers!! We're their bread and butter. We pay their bills and salaries. It's getting ridiculous.
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04-30-2013 01:11 PM
"I was wondering who Pitney Bowes was"
Pitney Bowes is a large American public company with a market capitalization of almost US$3 billion dollars.
"Business Summary
Pitney Bowes Inc. provides software, hardware, and services to enable physical and digital communications in the United States and internationally. It also offers a suite of equipment, supplies, software, services, and solutions for managing and integrating physical and digital communication channels. The company’s Small & Medium Business Solutions segment engages in the sale, rental, and financing of mail finishing, mail creation, and shipping equipment and software; provision of supply, support, and other professional services; and provision of payment solutions. Its Enterprise Business Solutions segment sells, supports, and offers other professional services of high-speed, production mail systems, and sorting and production print equipment; and sells support services for non-equipment-based mailing, customer relationship and communication, and location intelligence software. This segment also provides facilities management services; secure mail services; reprographic and document management services; print outsourcing services; and litigation support and eDiscovery services, as well as offers presort mail services and cross-border ecommerce services; and direct marketing services. Pitney Bowes Inc. markets its products through its sales force, direct mailings, outbound telemarketing, independent distributors, and the Internet to various business, governmental, institutional, and other organizations. The company was formerly known as Pitney Bowes Postage Meter Company. Pitney Bowes Inc. was founded in 1920 and is headquartered in Stamford, Connecticut."
Since 2006, Pitney Bowes has a contract with eBay. PayPal and Canada Post to administer the sale and delivery of online postage purchased from Canada Post, through eBay and paid through PayPal.
http://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/aboutus/news/pr/2006/2006_feb_news_ebay.jsf
In the USA, Pitney Bowes id the provider of service behind eBay's Global Shipping Program
http://pages.ebay.ca/shipping/globalshipping/buyer-tnc.html

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04-30-2013 01:17 PM
". In Germany they.."
Fully agree with posti4me, the German way is the way we should go...which is privatizing the post office
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04-30-2013 03:47 PM
a projection of a billion dollars loss by 2020
This is just pure spin amped up and spread out over years to have more effect.
It's actually amazing and I would say a great success story that operating the post office for 7 years is going to cost a shortfall of something similar to what the Harper Conservatives spent on a 4 day G8 conference!
Think of it, Canada is a sliver under 10 million square kilometers and Canada Post has a presence and provides service throughout, in all populated areas.
IMO it is worth keeping it running basically status quo with adjustments according to volume, for just as long as it takes to get a management team in there with enough vision to be able to viably exploit the obvious assets and advantages that the post office has going for it.
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04-30-2013 03:59 PM
CPs management was considered so good royal mail lured away the president!
The projection is a billion annual loss by 2020 if drastic changes aren't made. Half could be made up by dumping delivery to the door and the staff that go with it
