11-11-2025 05:20 PM
Hi all. Please only respond if you are currently enrolled in EIS and are active in the program but still offering your "old" shipping options as well..
Just trying to get an idea of what an International buyer would see when they looked at your listing.
Thanks so much.
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11-13-2025 06:58 PM - edited 11-13-2025 07:12 PM
@intimewithmusic wrote:You may not have read the post to the end. There were actually 4 options.
I read your post. The other two options were "selling in batches" and "not list at all". Neither of which have anything to do with my suggestion of "increase shipping rates to US buyers".
@intimewithmusic wrote:Please show me how to mark up Tracked Insured Calculated US shipping for this item that is subject to a $50 tariff.
Use Flat Rate instead of Calculated. Set up a unique Shipping Policy for items that would go Tracked Packet and are under 100g - it's the same price to any ZIP code in the USA so Calculated shipping isn't required. Set up the Shipping Policy with shipping rates assuming zero duty owed (so just the actual cost of the label from Canada Post). Then, on items that WILL have duty, while creating the listing you simply edit the shipping policy using the "Edit cost for this listing" option in the dropdown (see image below) to add on the appropriate amount for duty. This will change the shipping price for that listing only.
I understand that the only flaw with this way of doing things is that you don't have additional insurance coverage on goods over $100 with Tracked Packet. If you require this, and you must use Expedited Parcel through Canada Post, then you will need to do a bit more work to determine a reasonable flat rate shipping cost. But even then, the difference in cost of Expedited Parcel-USA under 500g only has a spread of $1.71 (assuming a Level 1 SfSB discount) amongst all deliverable points in the USA (and the cost of insurance is a known flat rate), so it's definitely not an issue to use Flat Rate shipping for Expedited as well.
I'll also add that eBay is likely applying that $57 USD import fee based on the fact that it's assuming the item is a piece of collectible art because of the category it's in (i.e. something within Chapter 97 of the US tariff schedule). That's just a flaw of the system, unfortunately. It could easily be argued on a customs declaration that this item is just "printed matter" of some sort and falls under Chapter 49 and would incur no import fees. This is actually confirmed by Zonos - I took a picture of your listing and gave it to Zonos and it automagically determined an HTS code of 4911.99.6000 which has no duty when entering the USA.
11-14-2025 11:43 AM - edited 11-14-2025 12:03 PM
Thank you @dinomitesales
You have put a great deal of effort into creating a temporary workaround.
If I use your method I would have to hide a $57 import charge into the shipping cost of a business card.
I understand you suggest sellers conceal tariffs and and admin fees into "Shipping" although tariffs and admin fees are not shipping costs. You would then have to split them out of your expenses for tax purposes later as they will distort your shipping income and expense figures.
Transparency with Respect To Taxation
The business of concealment and then back charging buyers telling them tariffs, admin fees and shipping are the same thing seems a bit the same as if Canadian businesses didn't indicate PST, GST or HST on any sales receipts. The business of transparency with respect to taxes, eco fees tariffs etc has been a major point of contention for Canadians ever since sales tax began. How long will eBay get away with allowing it before someone forces them to break out the import charges?
Does the Correct Use Of eBay Categories Cause Tariff Discrepencies?:
" I'll also add that eBay is likely applying that $57 USD import fee based on the fact that it's assuming the item is a piece of collectible art because of the category it's in (i.e. something within Chapter 97 of the US tariff schedule). That's just a flaw of the system, unfortunately."
I sell in 54 different eBay categories. This item is correctly listed in the eBay category [Collectibles & Art/Rock & Pop/Artists J/Joplin, Janis]
Your suggestion to bundle shipping/tariffs/admin fees into shipping might work for sellers in one or two eBay categories selling light packages with insigificant or zero import fees it but it does not work for many of us. You have pointed out the current system will need changing.
You sent a photo to Zonos and it came back with a $57 discrepancy compared to eBay. That should be brought to eBays's attention. The EIS system and/or the Zonos systems are not in sync then. I don't have a Zonos account. If you fill out the recent eBay EIS survey in the email they sent you about the webinar the survey has a spot to let them know.
You have brought about some interesting points.
Takeaways:
1. How long will eBay and other platforms allow foreign sellers to conceal tariffs and admin fees by calling them "Shipping"?
2. Will Revenue Canada allow individuals to claim tariffs and admin fees as "Shipping" expenses.
3. If the eBay International shipping program does not agree with Zonos how will buyers react to sellers (and eBay) when they find out they have been overcharged $57 because the services are flawed?
"I read your post. The other two options were "selling in batches" and "not list at all". Neither of which have anything to do with my suggestion of "increase shipping rates to US buyers"."
I understand your reaction to this terrible situation. Sellers want to stop the dam from leaking any way they can. I find myself repeating this but it's important to note sellers are all differnt. We have differnt niches and differnt experiences. I remember a similar argument when I owned a large retail center. Back then all of the goods I purched from distributors had FST transparent on the invoices. Canadians became furious because it wasn't shown of the final sale receipts. Because of that and some others reasons like ITCs, if you work in a retail store your receipts have taxes, fees and charges laid out clear and simple. Oh yes, and then there was Mulroney's GST referendum... almost forgot about that.
Maybe I'm wrong but I always thought on an income & expense report (P&L) tax/tariffs/shipping must be shown seperately coming in and going out otherwise, at the end of the year people say, "Gee whiz why didn't eBay make this easier? eBay may allow concealment for a time but unles the CRA says it's OK to combine these things it won't last long.
For these reasons I feel "Option "D" has relevance for certain sellers but you do you.
Option 😧 Wait until the dust settles. Rather than take the hit subsidizing import fees and hits from rising eBay fees to simply put them back in the vault and wait. I've had fire sales before. 3, 6 or 12 months after them I've regretted losing that profit when something changed. They are over 20 years old anyway. All it would take to restore gross profit for many eBay sellers is a cross border decision to implement a $50 US de minimis after they tire from processing. No more Zonos and for ephemera no EIS on singles.
If you have 5 wine boxes of ephemera with 1000 $20 items in each box you may have an $85,000 gross potential (BIN - 15%) by waiting instead of having a fire sale. You might be better off to put the boxes back in the closet.
Disclaimer: My comments are simple observations not advice or suggestions. It's a point of view that some might find helpful for them offering alternatives rather than closing their stores in this awful online selling climate. We all have different experiences and we all use eBay for different reasons. You do you.
11-14-2025 01:27 PM - edited 11-14-2025 01:27 PM
Probably hard pressed to find more than a few heavier than 10 oz (magazines), the majority of all other paper items are 2-4 oz. I checked and the last tariff free I shipped using Zonos was Nov 4 and zero fee/admin charge of any sort from them. Could you newer though. Anyone able to confirm? Thanks,
11-14-2025 02:53 PM
You're overthinking this. You collect monies from the buyer, and then you use those monies to do what you need to do to get the item to the buyer. The government doesn't need to see a separate line item that you collected funds to pay for international tariffs. You claim the amount spent on Zonos as an expense on your tax return, and if the CRA asks about it you provide them with a report generated from Zonos. This is no different than selling something with Free Shipping - of course it's not actually free to ship it, but we include all the associated delivery costs in the price of the item to make the listing more enticing to the buyer (and then we break out our expenses come tax time).
@intimewithmusic wrote:You sent a photo to Zonos and it came back with a $57 discrepancy compared to eBay. That should be brought to eBays's attention. The EIS system and/or the Zonos systems are not in sync then. I don't have a Zonos account. If you fill out the recent eBay EIS survey in the email they sent you about the webinar the survey has a spot to let them know.
This is a limitation of the technology and nothing more than that. Even within a single eBay category there can be items that fall under hundreds if not thousands of different HTS codes. eBay has nothing to do with Zonos so there's no reason why they would be in sync. If you choose to use eIS then you accept the limitations of the eIS program. If you choose to ship on your own (using the workaround I described, or your own workaround) and use Zonos/Canada Post then you have full control over how your items are being declared and delivered to the buyers. Zonos is free - I would recommend downloading the app and playing around with it.
1. How long will eBay and other platforms allow foreign sellers to conceal tariffs and admin fees by calling them "Shipping"?
Why would they stop them? By the same thought process, how long will eBay and other platforms allow any sellers to conceal shipping fees in the asking price when advertising "free shipping"?
2. Will Revenue Canada allow individuals to claim tariffs and admin fees as "Shipping" expenses.
Why would you include duties collected on behalf of buyers (through Zonos or otherwise) as "Shipping expenses" on your tax return? Form T2125 Statement of Business or Professional Activities breaks your applicable deductible expenses into many categories. A more fitting one for fees like this would be "Management and administration fees". I will also add that there is no line item on T2125 for "Shipping" either - the closest is "Delivery, freight and express" and one could argue that the fees collected for duty payments could be part of "delivery" expenses.
3. If the eBay International shipping program does not agree with Zonos how will buyers react to sellers (and eBay) when they find out they have been overcharged $57 because the services are flawed?
The buyers won't react because they probably will never find out. Americans have no idea what "Zonos" is. When using eIS they are shown the fees up front - they can choose to accept them and purchase the item, or not accept them and either a) choose another shipping option offered on your listing; or b) move on and find a different seller. And if they do complain after the fact you simply direct them to eBay and tell them you have no control over the fees charged by eBay (and eBay will have your back with no penalties to your account regardless of what the buyer does or says after purchase). If using a method like the one I described in my previous post this is a non-issue. If the buyer chooses to use eIS and pay the inflated cost due to incorrect HTS calculation then that's their problem; I provided them a lower-cost option with the correct duty calculation and they chose not to use it.
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In the end, you're free to do whatever you like. But options exist to continue selling to buyers in the States during this period of transition. If you choose to excise the American market because you don't agree with those options then you're welcome to do that. But myself and many others will continue using the tools available to us to make as many sales as possible.
11-14-2025 04:06 PM - edited 11-14-2025 04:26 PM
It's nice to hear your viewpoint. It's not in my wheelhouse but thank you... Things need to be discussed.
What you have is a temporary workaround with a shakey foundation. Sellers on eBay by now are used to workarounds. Your workaround incorporates 2 things.
1. Adding a manually devised header into every listing advertising that states you are paying your buyer's tariffs for them. At least your's is honest. You tell them a tariff is included but prepaid by you. Many sellers are manually adding "No Tariffs in our store". This is not true. It's similar to when stores claimed "Sunday Sale No GST". Instead they usually say "We Pay The GST" like you have done.
2. The Workaround You described it well so I don't need to repeat it. Anyone who wants to see it can find it down the post. It requires every listing to be analized and modified individually. The adjustments (hidden charges) can be made in any amount so desired by a seller. You have said I coud hide a $57 import charge in there for a piece of tiny ephemera. You state
"The buyers won't react because they probably will never find out. "...(unless they read the forum ;>}
My retail journey started in 1969. times have sure changed. I've never heard anyone say "the buyers will probably never find out."
With due respect, if some sellers, yourself an exception, are left to their own devices to insert hidden buyer's fees sometimes bad things happen. For example a few years back many sellers jacked up their handling fees as to make their widgets appear more competitive and pay less FV fees. eBay stopped that one pretty fast. I call your workaround "shakey" because it includes a cocktail of "Handling fees, Tariffs, Admin fees, bonified Freight and whatever else Zonos decides to include in the future".
I'm not judging but I'm convinced your workaround is temporary and out of my comfort zone. for those that consider it they need to do the work to employ it facing the possiblity of reversing everything.
You've given me a lot to think about. Thank you for the discussion. This is a real problem but I see it as eBay's problem. It's too bad they don't just fix it. We all have better things to do.
Best wishes!
PS @snoopwiz
You got your dime's worth for "Are you active in the EIS program?" LOL
Best wishes for 4th quarter!
11-14-2025 04:55 PM