Scammed.

[primarysafety]

So I believe my 'good will' has resulted in me being defrauded by $240.00.

On October 4th a buyer did a BIN $499 including $30 of shipping to Florida from Canada. The Buyer paid via paypal and then sent me a email asking me to call him immediately as he needed this item FAST. (it was a fire alarm panel and I could understand the possible urgency if it is a fire alarm out of service).

He asked me to ship it overnight via UPS using his "account" number. I have never encountered this before but figured that it wasn't any risk because all charges would be on his account. I told him I could ship it immediately but it would be a special trip to the city UPS depot (70 miles round trip). He said OK and I asked for the $30 that he paid to be used for gas.

It shipped off via UPS and he received it shortly after and that was the last I ever heard... Until December 28th.

I get a letter in the mail from UPS stating that the account holder had refused to pay the charges of $238 (David S____- Matching paypal account holder David S____). Since the charges to the account were refused UPS now expects me to pay for these charges.

I called UPS and they said sorry it clearly states here there and on the waybill that if a receiver refuses then the shipper is responsible for the charges.

What should I do? There is no fraud on the paypal side of things. Item paid for item delivered. But I am stuck with this pending bill of $240 that will probably go to a collection agency and ruin my credit if I refuse to pay.

Stupid me. Up front money and no special shipping in the future.

[avionsunantiques]

The one thing UPS will do, is pay out if they delivery an item after their guaranteed delivery date.   So one solution is to keep using UPS and every time they deliver late, get a refund (they don't refund everything, insurance, and other handling costs etc do not get refunded)

[almond_t]

Just a note to avionsunantiques - you have the single most beautiful vase I have ever seen in my life!!  And see it, I did, your photographs are amazing!  I wouldn't have seen   such detail, if I had the piece in my hands!

[mr.elmwood]

Let's get back on track. Does our OP owe this money? Is UPS playing Mexican standoff with both parties? I am assuming the OP is getting the usual bill from UPS out of, where, New Brunswick, I think?

Hard to see how the OP agreed to anything while using the buyers acct #. Buyer created the contract with both the seller and UPS. Now the buyer is walking. UPS is going after anyone and everyone in the hope that someone will pay.

The more I think about this, no, this is a lame duck, second chance offer, who can we get to pay 'cause we are stupid, paper trail, by UPS.

Without knowing more, this is like a stick-up through the mail.