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I am trying to expand my reach, and with the new changes, I am forced to open a store.

 

Would I be better off, in terms of visibility, to open the store on ebay.com?

 

As far as the UK goes, I intensely dislike (ie hate) the "visibility" fee.

 

Is it feasible for me to open an ebay.co.uk seller account, so that my items will be visible in the UK, even though I am physically in Canada?

 

Soon, I intend to start using a freight forwarder that ships from outside of Canada, as Canada Post rates are insanely high, and thus would not be shipping from Canada and UK.

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Erratum - I missed "S"  Smiley Happy

 

The results are the same - 0, with links to the international sellers.

 

Please re-read my post.

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I also need to repeat one time more - there is NO word "STAMP", nor "LAW' in German language, so HOW the Germans can be offered the listing in a language they don't understand? 

 

 

 

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Your items appeared there below the "0" results EXCLUSIVELY, because you used words NOT EXISTING in German, so the system looked for the items offered in another countries.

   

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The French, and German, and Italian, and Spanish buyers do find my listings and buy from me.

 

I had a purchase tonight from the Maldives (Indian Ocean)!

 

The world is your oyster... if you know how to use the system.


I shipped to all possible countries - because people come to EBAY US, which is THE MAIN EBAY SITE, so that proves nothing. 

 

I think they also SOMETIMES find my items below the "0" results, because I sell rather unique items. 

 

 

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thousands of listings on .de with "stamp" in the title. postage and otherwise.  Mostly by Germans

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It might work if you spelled Saskatchewan correctly.

 

There is a place for misspellings in titles. I often will put Heinlien/Hienlien  or Tolkien/Tolkein in titles since these are common errors.

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@toby**bleep**zu wrote:

thousands of listings on .de with "stamp" in the title. postage and otherwise.  Mostly by Germans


Of course, because they want to attract some buyers from outside.

 

The idea that ALL listings in ALL languages should appear on ALL Ebay sites is completely absurd.

 

I also add sometimes local keywords if I target buyers from a specific country (I count on GOOGLE - the item might appear there).

 

I even used a keyword "Beijing", written in Chinese (!!!) once 😉 

 

But you misunderstood my post.

 

An EBAY.COM listing will NEVER EVER appear in REGULAR results on Ebay.de - that's what I said.

 

 

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

It might work if you spelled Saskatchewan correctly.

 

There is a place for misspellings in titles. I often will put Heinlien/Hienlien  or Tolkien/Tolkein in titles since these are common errors.


Yes, I wrote "Askatchewan" instead of "Saskatchewan" Smiley Very Happy (I did "copy and paste" too fast Smiley Happy

 

But even with the right spelling it appeared (and it will always appear) OUTSIDE of the regular results.

 

 

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@toby**bleep**zu wrote:

thousands of listings on .de with "stamp" in the title. postage and otherwise.  Mostly by Germans


"Stamp" was not a good example - it's an international word.

Some will use that term to boost the results of Google search.

 

I will use another word: GIFT.

 

If a German buyer wants to buy a GIFT, will put a term GESCHENK into the search box.

For that simple reason an US Ebay listing with the keyword GIFT should never appear on Ebay.de in the main search results.

Why? Because GIFT means POISON in German  Smiley Happy

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Found on Ebay.ca help page:

 

Availability and fees

 

Currently, international site visibility is only supported by the Canadian, U.S. and U.K. sites.

 

We’re working on expanding the number of countries we can support through international site visibility. There will be a separate small fee for each country option, so you have exact control over where you want your listings to show up.

 

Miss I something?

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"it appeared (and it will always appear) OUTSIDE of the regular results."

 

You seem to be missing the point.

 

The listings do appear!  Right there - immediately below "0' (outside the regular results)

 

Does it matter to a seller if the listings are on line 1 or 5 or 8 on a search result page?  Of course not.  The point is simple: they do appear.

 

Stamp collectors are smart folks.  They do not put the word "stamp" (in any language) in the search box.  If they are looking for a "bluenose" stamp, they simply enter "bluenose" in the box, etc...  German or French buyers are not stupid either.  They know how to enter the key word(s) leading to the items they are looking for.

 

Even if the German buyer enters "Kanada Bluenose", listings of "Canada Bluenose" by Canadian and American sellers will appear in the international section near the bottom of the page!

 

And I suspect most eBay buyers are also smart folks, regardless of the language they speak.  I give them credit for their ability to find my listings.

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I'd like to weigh in on this question, since I speak German fluently (BTW "Kugelschreiber" is a ballpoint pen, in case anybody was wondering up there). 

 

I'm fairly certain '38e Avenue' is correct, and I'll try to explain why I think so, as I think some posters have been missing the point completely -- it has nothing to do with fees for visibility, but rather with site language.

 

I do not believe that eBay sites outside Canada, U.S. and U.K. will automatically show results for ordinary, generic search words that are not native to that site's language, in other words, I don't think those other sites are "translating" generic English words so that the buyer sees the whole gamut of available products in search results from all over the world.  

 

On the other hand, search terms that are apt to be used internationally (or are proper names, like countries, states, provinces, etc.) will not change no matter what language the eBay site uses.  So a stamp with the word "Saskatchewan" or "Bluenose" or even "stamp" in it (which realistically most international stamp collectors will probably know), will come up in any search.  So Pierre is fortunate in that respect, as are any sellers who sell products with internationally recognized names or words in their titles.  Many of us are not so lucky, and won't get the same exposure. 

 

Let me give you an example.  My antique pattern category is a good one to test on, since I have relatively few competitors (as compared to some other sellers' items).  Generally I don't have thousands of competing items at a time on eBay.com.  However, on sites outside eBay.ca, .com and .uk, there is a problem

 

I just went to eBay.de and entered "historische Schnittmuster" (= antique/historical sewing pattern) in the search box.  There were a number of German-language listings, but not a single one of my historical pattern items appeared, despite the fact that the words "historical", "antique", "sewing" and "pattern" are all over my titles and descriptions in English on .ca. 

 

I then entered "Schnittmuster historische Bluse" (="Sewing pattern historical blouse").  Still nothing of mine appeared. 

 

I then tried "1912 historische Schnittmuster" (="1912 historical sewing pattern") -- Aha!  One of my patterns showed up (because of the "1912" in its title, a generic, non-language specific word). 

 

Next, I tested "antique pattern" (in English) -- well, there I hit the jackpot, with several of my patterns showing up all over page 1.  

 

What this tells me is that unless the buyer (in this case in Germany, for example) knows enough to either search using English terms (which I'm sure some do) or to go to eBay.com and search in English (which some may think of doing), you're not going to get much, if any, exposure for your items unless their titles include internationally common words.  

 

I think this is precisely what '38e Avenue' was trying to say with the "Gift" example.  No one in Germany, unless they spoke English well enough, would think to enter the word "Gift" when looking for a present for someone.  They would enter "Geschenk" and would not see listings by Canadian (or presumably even American) sellers unless those listings happened to include the word "Geschenk" -- and there's no reason they would. 

 

So international site visibility may not be quite as universal nor as simple a problem as some here maintain.  If you're selling an item or product with an internationally recognized name (e.g. "Chanel", "Dior", "Sony" etc. etc. etc.), or an item that includes a word with a specific and/or well-accepted international meaning or a proper noun, then you're much better off and the world is indeed your oyster.  

 

This factor actually never occurred to me previously because I do have the occasional buyer from Europe, but most of them that I can recall communicated with me in English.  I can only conclude that they found what they wanted by searching in English.  

 

It's no wonder stamp sellers and sellers of name-brand items of every kind sell well internationally.  A slightly different perspective on the eBay scenario.  

 

As for U.K. visibility, I can only say that I do occasionally pay the exorbitant fee and in every instance I get a small flurry of a few U.K. buyers.  Coincidence?  I don't know, but the $0.50 charge has always been worth it for me.  

 

Now I'm going to have to go and pepper all my listing titles with German text, as it seems there are some missed opportunities... LOL Woman LOL

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An EBAY.COM listing will NEVER EVER appear in REGULAR results on Ebay.de - that's what I said.

I do have do differ with you on this point alone.  An eBay.com (or .ca) listing created in English will appear in a search if the eBay.de buyer searches in English, or if the English title happens to have an internationally-recognized word, a brand name, or a proper noun in it ("stamp", "Saskatchewan", "Canada", "Sony", etc. etc.).

 

Otherwise, I think you are quite correct that a German buyer who searches uses the German language on eBay.de is unlikely to have any .com/.ca listings come up if those listings consist of generic English titles (for example, "Antique sewing machine", "Vintage lace", or any number of things you can imagine that do not contain commonly recognized cross-language words).  

 

It's not just eBay.de either.  A person searching using generic words in French on eBay.fr or in Italian on eBay.it (is there an eBay.it??) will presumably get the same limited results.  

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For those who only believe it when they see it, here are two screen shots from the tests I ran today, both when logged onto eBay.de

 

1) I entered the English (fairly generic) description "Edwardian sewing pattern".  Zero (0) results from eBay.de were displayed, but eBay did pull up 143 international listings on this set of search words, including a couple of my own patterns.  (The message circled in red reads "0 Ergebnisse gefunden, daher wurde die Suche auf internationale Angebote erweitert" = "0 results found, so the search was widened to international sellers".  Most of the sellers displayed were in the U.S., and the titles were all in English. 

 

The same sort of result, but with more international listings in the search results (164 to be exact, including some of my own) came up when entering the very generic English search "antique sewing pattern".  

 

So, where generic words are in the titles, some limited internationally listings appeared if the search was done in English. 

 

(Scroll below this screen shot for the results of the 2nd test). 

 

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2)  This time I entered the search in the German language (as a German buyer might do), i.e. "historische Schnittmuster", and -- as expected -- only 13 results appeared, all with German titles, and none of them my own patterns.  

 

However, I learned something surprising and important from this particular test (I have '38e Avenue' to thank for bringing it to my attention): one of my major competitors is doing precisely what I mentioned above.  She is mixing German and English in the title of her item, to capture the entire market on eBay.de.  Very clever indeed.  I suspect the item is actually listed on eBay.de, but not sure.  This is something I will consider if I want to reach the German market (many Germans speak and read English well, so they do buy English sewing patterns).  

 

One learns something every day here! 

 

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@rose-dee wrote:

@38e_avenue wrote:
An EBAY.COM listing will NEVER EVER appear in REGULAR results on Ebay.de - that's what I said.

I do have do differ with you on this point alone.  An eBay.com (or .ca) listing created in English will appear in a search if the eBay.de buyer searches in English, or if the English title happens to have an internationally-recognized word, a brand name, or a proper noun in it ("stamp", "Saskatchewan", "Canada", "Sony", etc. etc.).


I do not agree. You would see a lot of US Seller offering 'Sony" (or whatever) on Ebay.de, just because they listed their items on Ebay.de.

I just tried to find one of my items on Ebay.de. It has a very specific name. Because NO ONE of German sellers offers it for sale, it appears in the search result, BUT OUTSIDE THE MAIN RESULTS, which gave "0".  See the image below.

 

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Several years ago I listed my items on both, Ebay.com and Ebay.de - so what I am writing here is based on my own experience.

 

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Rose-dee: you just confirmed what I said before Smiley Happy

 

If NOTHING is offered by EBAY.COM sellers, the items from international sellers will appear.

 

This is some kind on an EMERGENCY SOLUTION. 

 

I think NO ONE of Ebay sellers wishes to create an item, which gives "0 RESULTS", right?

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@38e_avenue wrote:

I do not agree. You would see a lot of US Seller offering 'Sony" (or whatever) on Ebay.de, just because they listed their items on Ebay.de.

I just tried to find one of my items on Ebay.de. It has a very specific name. Because NO ONE of German sellers offers it for sale, it appears in the search result, BUT OUTSIDE THE MAIN RESULTS, which gave "0".  See the image below.

Several years ago I listed my items on both, Ebay.com and Ebay.de - so what I am writing here is based on my own experience.


Yes, yes!  I'm sorry, I see now, you're absolutely right.  Woman Happy

 

Although the results I got from my tests do appear below the "0 Results" message, I would imagine that any items which were actually listed on eBay.de would get in above that line, in the regular results.  However, in my situation, that may not matter too much, since there are usually relatively few listings in my main categories anyway.  

 

You know, sometimes it takes a lot of thinking and discussing on these boards to actually understand what is going on with eBay.  I'm grateful you brought this up, although I'm not sure I would list on .de directly, for the reason that different policies might apply on that site.  I really wouldn't want to have to study all the rules and policies on .de for the sake of a dozen or so listings.  I have enough trouble with .ca and .com! Woman LOL

 

What I may do though is add some brief German descriptive word(s) to my listings so they at least show up on the first page or two. 

 

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@38e_avenue wrote:

Rose-dee: you just confirmed what I said before Smiley Happy

 

If NOTHING is offered by EBAY.COM sellers, the items from international sellers will appear.

 


I'm trying to understand this.  Do you mean if nothing is offered from Ebay.de sellers on the EBay.de site, the items from international sellers will appear?  

 

I think that's what exactly what happened in my tests above when I did the search in English.  When I searched auf Deutsch, a few German sellers' items appeared. 

 

In other words, as I'm understanding this, it isn't simply the matter of offerings, but the language of the listing titles and the search requests.  Or are you saying eBay.com (i.e. American sellers) are automatically included with another national site's results?  That doesn't appear to be the case from my tests. 

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@rose-dee wrote:
I'm not sure I would list on .de directly, for the reason that different policies might apply on that site.  I really wouldn't want to have to study all the rules and policies on .de for the sake of a dozen or so listings.  I have enough trouble with .ca and .com! Woman LOL

 

What I may do though is add some brief German descriptive word(s) to my listings so they at least show up on the first page or two. 

 


I abandoned the idea years ago. I list exclusively on Ebay.com now. Every week i ship items to Germany and UK, even if I never paid for the UK visibility (I have more than 400 items UK-related in my store, so I had to pay 200 dollars monthly extra! No, thanks 😉

 

I add German keywords to the Germany-related items, so they can be catched by Google. I have customers who found my items on Google and opened Ebay account only to buy them.

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@38e_avenue wrote:

 

I think NO ONE of Ebay sellers wishes to create an item, which gives "0 RESULTS", right?


I don't mind being below that "0 Results" line at all, as long as my item appears somewhere in the results list when a search is done on a foreign site.  That's just fine with me -- I agree with Pierre that most buyers on eBay are going to look that far. 

 

What I am concerned about is that my English-only titles aren't being translated automatically, and in consequence they won't appear at all on sites like eBay.de, whether below or above the line! 

 

Somehow I suppose I always assumed (big mistake on eBay) that all eBay sites would "read" from English into the local language when a search is done.  That apparently isn't the case.  

 

As I said, I learned from this little experiment that one of my main competitors has already thought about this problem and is including German descriptions in her titles, even if those listings are composed in the U.S. on eBay.com.   Tsk, tsk, I'm going to have to do something about that. 

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