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Feel free to share your thoughts about the Global Shipping Program here. 

 

A few questions to get the ball rolling:

 

  • What has worked well for you with the Global Shipping Program?
  • Any ideas to help improve the experience for Canadian buyers?
  • What has deterred you from buying items offered using the Global Shipping Program?
  • How have you managed to search for items outside the program?

Please try & keep the comments constructive 🙂

 

If you have any questions about the program, please post them here.

~Kalvin
eBay.ca Community Manager

kalvin@ebay.com

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It's actually Pitney Bowes who has chosen not to make the claims process transparent, in my view.

 

Pitney Bowes does not set up the return process on this site, that is ebay's responsibility, not PB's  and ebay should set up a more intuitive process for gsp claims.

 

GSP buyers are not making a purchase on the PB site, they are making a purchase on the ebay site so if the information being provided is not transparent,it is ebay's responsibility to make it transparent. Regardless of who handles gsp parcels, the transaction is being done on ebay's site and any information that is or is not here is  on ebay. If they choose not to have guidelines for PB to follow and to enforce those guidlines, that's their fault, not PB.

 

PB could not operate the gsp here without ebay's permission so in my view, anything that PB does in relation to the gsp, is with ebay's blessings.It is up to ebay to make sure that the process is easy to understand for both sellers and buyers.  Personally I think that it is also up to ebay to make it beneficial to both but I'm not sure that is possible in all cases.

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I was just referring to damage claims when I wrote that last post, PJ.  Are you referring to more than that if you're also making reference to "returns" as PB doesn't require items damaged by the Global Shipping Center to be returned?

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I was referring to all aspects. ebay is control of how the site is set up so if sellers are not forced to put the manufacturing country on the listing then ebay should fix that.  ebay has asked PB to handle the gsp..if the tracking is inconsistent even though ebay promises international tracking then ebay should step in so that PB fixes the problem.  Any problem with the gsp is ultimately ebay's responsibility so they should  either fix it themselves or to direct PB to fix it or find another company that will do a better job.

 

PB doesn't require items damaged by the Global Shipping Center to be returned?

 

That's irrelevant. In order to file a snad claim for ANY purchase on ebay, the buyer is required to file a return request whether or not the item will eventually have to be returned. However, there is nothing in that process that tells the buyer or seller that the item doesn't have to be returned if it was a gsp item damaged in shipping.  There are no special instructions on how to handle a problem with a gsp transaction.That's why some sellers will refund right away and the case will get closed leaving the buyer without a refund for their import and international shipping fees. ebay is one who sets up those claim systems so they are the ones who have to fix the system. You said that PB isn't transparent with the claims process...the buyer doesn't even deal with PB and is not told to contact them so any transparency must come from ebay.

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USPS always worked well for me and had fair pricing. .I bought and item from a seller using  global shipping and it went all the way to California before heading back my way . It not only took 5 extra days but the seller kept saying my address didn't match the information he was sent from Global shipping ...I would do without  or buy from Amazon before going through  this over priced waste of time Global Shipping system ....I hope this changes soon as it really changed my love for Ebay !!!!!

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I was referring to all aspects. ebay is control of how the site is set up so if sellers are not forced to put the manufacturing country on the listing then ebay should fix that.  ebay has asked PB to handle the gsp..if the tracking is inconsistent even though ebay promises international tracking then ebay should step in so that PB fixes the problem.  Any problem with the gsp is ultimately ebay's responsibility so they should  either fix it themselves or to direct PB to fix it or find another company that will do a better job.

 

PB doesn't require items damaged by the Global Shipping Center to be returned?

 

That's irrelevant. In order to file a snad claim for ANY purchase on ebay, the buyer is required to file a return request whether or not the item will eventually have to be returned. However, there is nothing in that process that tells the buyer or seller that the item doesn't have to be returned if it was a gsp item damaged in shipping.  There are no special instructions on how to handle a problem with a gsp transaction.That's why some sellers will refund right away and the case will get closed leaving the buyer without a refund for their import and international shipping fees. ebay is one who sets up those claim systems so they are the ones who have to fix the system. You said that PB isn't transparent with the claims process...the buyer doesn't even deal with PB and is not told to contact them so any transparency must come from ebay.


And eBay knows what about the exporting/importing process?  Squat.  

I have to respectfully disagree with much of your assessment of eBay's involvement in this.  Try Googling the phrase "eBay's Global Shipping Program" and you won't get it showing up on any eBay site.  The program is a third-party service operated by Pitney Bowes, and somehow they're calling most of the shots on it.  I wouldn't be surprised if PB approached eBay with this scheme, rather than the other way around.   I suspect these two mega-threads are eBay's attempts to keep tabs on it from the perspective of Canadian buyers.

If eBay were more involved in the program, then buyers wouldn't have to specify that they were involved in a GSP transaction when they make a claim.  That's eBay's cue to forward the claim to Pitney Bowes.  Otherwise, nobody bothers to check on the "import charges" and the buyer doesn't get those returned.  The glossy information pages on the GSP use Pitney Bowes' corporate font and their design elements are more like those you'd find on a PB site than on eBay.  The way I see it, Pitney Bowes is "renting space" from eBay in order to operate and publicize the program.

This isn't to say that how the program handles buyer issues isn't pretty abysmal, because it is, but the way the program is currently structured, I don't think eBay has much of a stake in it.  For all of the frustrations we have with eBay, they're usually pretty good about rectifying buyer issues in a reasonably timely manner if they're seen as a possible impediment to the bottom line, but there have been very few visible tweaks with the GSP since its inception.

The Canadian market is pretty small in global terms and it can probably afford a bit of collateral damage in the form of lost Canadian buyers (and even sellers, as the pool of Canadian buyers continues to dry up).  There's nothing to impel eBay to improve its systems for what the suits may consider to be a relatively small number of whiny hosers.

And its hands may be tied anyway.

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USPS always worked well for me and had fair pricing. .I bought and item from a seller using  global shipping and it went all the way to California before heading back my way . It not only took 5 extra days but the seller kept saying my address didn't match the information he was sent from Global shipping ...I would do without  or buy from Amazon before going through  this over priced waste of time Global Shipping system ....I hope this changes soon as it really changed my love for Ebay !!!!!


If your seller was questioning your shipping address, it sounds as though they had no clue as to how the Global Shipping Program is supposed to work.  Did your seller eventually figure out he was supposed to send your item to Erlanger, Kentucky?

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A new year, the same old discussions...

 

It's actually Pitney Bowes who has chosen not to make the claims process transparent, in my view. I doubt there are very few people on eBay USA staff who have any knowledge of international commerce and how straightforward it can be to simply mail something of modest value to Canada. eBay.com is simply letting Pitney Bowes run the GSP show, assuming that PB knows better than eBay does. If somebody at eBay expresses concern to PB about the complaints about the GSP, PB can simply dismiss us as no-nothing hosers. Johnny and Janey Q. Canuck, after all, can't touch PB's experience in logistics and eCommerce, even if PB has only been doing this for a relatively short portion of the company's existence.

 

Since we are having these discussions on the Buyer Central board, we have to look at things from a buyer's point of view. Most buyers don't give two figs who is ultimately responsible for the GSP. If they receive a damaged item, or no item, or a different item from the one they ordered, they want to be able to get a FULL refund with no hassles.  Is that too much to ask? I don't think it should be.

 

These boards are operated by Lithium but they are run on eBay's site, so Lithium has to do as eBay says. The same should apply to PB and its half-baked GSP. When you use someone else's playground, you play by their rules. Plain and simple. So it's eBay's fault, not PB's, if the claims process is so convoluted.

 

PB could not operate the gsp here without ebay's permission so in my view, anything that PB does in relation to the gsp, is with ebay's blessings.It is up to ebay to make sure that the process is easy to understand for both sellers and buyers. Personally I think that it is also up to ebay to make it beneficial to both but I'm not sure that is possible in all cases.

 

Many buyer irritants could be removed without too much of a hassle. How difficult would it be to have a pop-up window appear when a buyer has clicked the "Buy" button for a GSP item, to advise them to use the cart should they wish to purchase more from the same seller?

 

How difficult would it be to also have a pop-up window appear when a buyer opens a claim for a GSP item, advising them of the process? A similar window could also open when a buyer tries contacting a seller after a GSP sale is completed.

 

How difficult would it be to change the words "International Priority Shipping" to avoid the (seemingly intentional) confusion with Priority International? And how difficult would it be to remove the promise of end-to-end tracking since it is obviously not being fulfilled?

 

How difficult would it be to stop enrolling sellers into the program by stealth?

 

How difficult would it be to make the country exclusion process better known to sellers and easier to implement on listings?

 

How difficult would it be to make the $50 "good fit" cut-off something more than mere words to placate angry international buyers, and have a warning for sellers who are about to list totally unsuited items with the GSP?

 

To be fair, some progress does seem to have been made. I recently saw a post on the US boards from a seller who was unhappy that he was being blocked by eBay from listing some of his items with the GSP. As it turned out, those items were all guitars. So maybe, just maybe, something is finally being done about this problem. Mind you, it could be because this one is hurting PB/Ebay where they don't want to be hurt and not because of buyer disappointment.

 

Yes, a new year, the same old discussions...

 

(Edited for typos)

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I have to respectfully disagree with much of your assessment of eBay's involvement in this.

 

I haven't said that eBay is involved in the running of the gsp. But this is their site and PB could not be involved here unless they had eBay's blessing. So eBay does have the responsibility to make sure that the program is running smoothly and if it is not, they need to make some adjustments whether or not it is adjustments to their site or if it is something that they have to discuss with PB. Ultimately it is their site - their responsibility.   They seem to have no problems making rules for sellers, they should also make rules for PB and the gsp when necessary.

 

I was in the service industry for many years. If I changed a supplier for a product and customers were unhappy with it, I wouldn't have said...too bad...I can't control how the supplier makes something. I COULD talk to the supplier to try and change things OR I could change suppliers.  Obviously ebay doesn't 'supply' a product but my point is that they are still the ones in control.

 

 

The Canadian market is pretty small in global terms and it can probably afford a bit of collateral damage in the form of lost Canadian buyers (and even sellers, as the pool of Canadian buyers continues to dry up).  There's nothing to impel eBay to improve its systems for what the suits may consider to be a relatively small number of whiny hosers.

 

 

I'm not sure where that came from? I haven't referred to anything that specifically refers to Canada, just to the gsp program itself.  I think that the main beef for Canadians is the extra cost vs a parcel being sent direct by first class international. That may not be the problem for other countries but from what I've read, they still have problems with tracking, repacking, claims, etc.

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

 

I haven't said that eBay is involved in the running of the gsp. But this is their site and PB could not be involved here unless they had eBay's blessing. So eBay does have the responsibility to make sure that the program is running smoothly and if it is not, they need to make some adjustments whether or not it is adjustments to their site or if it is something that they have to discuss with PB. Ultimately it is their site - their responsibility.   They seem to have no problems making rules for sellers, they should also make rules for PB and the gsp when necessary.

 

I was in the service industry for many years. If I changed a supplier for a product and customers were unhappy with it, I wouldn't have said...too bad...I can't control how the supplier makes something. I COULD talk to the supplier to try and change things OR I could change suppliers.  Obviously ebay doesn't 'supply' a product but my point is that they are still the ones in control.

 

 

The Canadian market is pretty small in global terms and it can probably afford a bit of collateral damage in the form of lost Canadian buyers (and even sellers, as the pool of Canadian buyers continues to dry up).  There's nothing to impel eBay to improve its systems for what the suits may consider to be a relatively small number of whiny hosers.

 

 

I'm not sure where that came from? I haven't referred to anything that specifically refers to Canada, just to the gsp program itself.  I think that the main beef for Canadians is the extra cost vs a parcel being sent direct by first class international. That may not be the problem for other countries but from what I've read, they still have problems with tracking, repacking, claims, etc.


I get your points, but as I've implied earlier, there just seems to me to be something really weird with the relationship between Pitney Bowes and eBay when it comes to this program.  I see PB operating at arm's length--at least on paper--from eBay.  Don't forget, there are other companies out there that do freight forwarding and deal in eCommerce.  If eBay was seen to be "propping up" Pitney Bowes too much or exerting complete control of the GSP, it could be cause for legal action under unfair competition laws.  I'll be the first to admit that this hypothesis doesn't even to begin to explain why sellers are getting automatically opted into the program, though.

The point I made rather confusingly was that eBay is usually pretty good about making changes for buyers that affect the company's bottom line, and making those changes in a reasonably timely fashion.  Visible changes have been few and far between.  Either it's been determined that the loss of goodwill and business from Canadian users is offset in the GSP's other benefits to the company, or else due to limitations in technology, resources, import/export laws and/or the agreement PB has with eBay to administer the GSP, eBay can't or won't make these changes.

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 Either it's been determined that the loss of goodwill and business from Canadian users is offset in the GSP's other benefits to the company, or else due to limitations in technology, resources, import/export laws and/or the agreement PB has with eBay to administer the GSP, eBay can't or won't make these changes.

Why do I think that buyers in other GSP countries are not any happier than Canadian buyers are when their GSP transaction goes South and they can't figure out how to get all of their money back? No one I know likes to have nothing to show for the money they spend.

 

If there was some sort of technological limitation preventing eBay from setting up a decent GSP complaint process, I think they would have told us by now. I think that they just can't be bothered because the GSP is all about the sellers opening up to international markets and the pool of buyers apparently willing to cough up the money seems to be large enough to call the program a "success".

 

People should vote with their wallets. Those who say they hate the GSP should simply refrain from buying any GSP item, no matter how tempting. Keep this in mind: there will always be something to buy on eBay, and true one-of-a-kind items are very, very rare.

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Why do I think that buyers in other GSP countries are not any happier than Canadian buyers are when their GSP transaction goes South and they can't figure out how to get all of their money back? No one I know likes to have nothing to show for the money they spend.

 


They probably aren't, but how do you measure "unhappiness" realistically?  There are certainly a number of complaints about the difficulty in obtaining a full refund for a GSP transaction on the Canadian discussion boards, but we don't know how representative they are of the total number of GSP sales to Canada.  Remember, people tend to post on discussion boards when something goes wrong, not when something goes right.  To the best of my knowledge, the handful of GSP purchases my wife and I have under our belts have gone through without serious hitches.  For all I know, our experiences may be more typical than the ones that have gone south due to poor repackaging.  Or not.

 

Larger markets than Canada probably have a proportionately smaller number of GSP sales due to reasons of cost and geography, but the shipments may also be prepared a bit differently.  For example, an item's country of origin may not be such a big deal for an item destined for Liechtenstein, so the Global Shipping Center workers won't be knocking themselves out and ripping up packing material checking for that information.


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If there was some sort of technological limitation preventing eBay from setting up a decent GSP complaint process, I think they would have told us by now. 



Why would eBay expose a weakness in their system like that for the competition and possibly hackers to exploit?


@00nevermind00 wrote:


People should vote with their wallets. Those who say they hate the GSP should simply refrain from buying any GSP item, no matter how tempting. Keep this in mind: there will always be something to buy on eBay, and true one-of-a-kind items are very, very rare.


It's not just a matter of one-of-a-kind items, but mass-market items that, for whatever reason, can't or won't be shipped to Canada through other sites.  I'm kicking around the idea of getting yet another smartphone this year, but at present the model I'm most interested in ships for a stupid price from the manufacturer's website and I haven't found any sellers on Amazon that can or will ship it to Canada.


 

 

 

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I used to buy a lot of comics on e bay,but in the last couple years the sellers mainly from the US  have made the shipping cost way higher than it should be, eg average 11.50 (yes and that is one of the cheaper ones) to as high as 50 or 60 dollars to buy one comic,why is it that I can send 1 or 2 comics to the US for 5.00 something is not right here.

 I like the tracking for more expensive items ,I just bought a guitar so yes tracking is good and import tax I also don,t have issue with,but if I am looking at a comic book that is 13.00 I don,t want to pay another 18.50 to get it sent here,most of the comics I am looking to buy are in the 8 to 25 dollar price range I realize that more than likely nothing will be done about this ,however when a seach is done how about adding a place that you can list a shipping price you would be willing to pay,now there is a spot that has lowest price and shipping in the search but most of the time the price of the item is not the issue tons of comics have great prices even with a high exchange rate on e bay .If I could search only comics that have a shipping cost of let's say 5.75 or less I would buy more as it is now I end up going thru pages and pages of comics to find one that has a fair shipping cost wasting hours and finding maybe one comic,If there was a shipping price only search  I could find all the comics that are not a rip off in a couple minutes, Thanks Jan 


kalvin@ebay.com wrote:

Feel free to share your thoughts about the Global Shipping Program here. 

 

A few questions to get the ball rolling:

 

  • What has worked well for you with the Global Shipping Program?
  • Any ideas to help improve the experience for Canadian buyers?
  • What has deterred you from buying items offered using the Global Shipping Program?
  • How have you managed to search for items outside the program?

Please try & keep the comments constructive 🙂

 

If you have any questions about the program, please post them here.


 

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,I just bought a guitar so yes tracking is good and import tax I also don,t have issue with,

 

Cross all of your fingers and toes, and warn your seller that the GSP for some unknown reason, will not process and forward guitars.

Whether they destroy them or whether they just keep them for resale, I don't know, but there are a lot of reports about this.

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@marnotom! wrote:

@00nevermind00 wrote:

 

Why do I think that buyers in other GSP countries are not any happier than Canadian buyers are when their GSP transaction goes South and they can't figure out how to get all of their money back? No one I know likes to have nothing to show for the money they spend.

 


They probably aren't, but how do you measure "unhappiness" realistically?  There are certainly a number of complaints about the difficulty in obtaining a full refund for a GSP transaction on the Canadian discussion boards, but we don't know how representative they are of the total number of GSP sales to Canada.  Remember, people tend to post on discussion boards when something goes wrong, not when something goes right.  To the best of my knowledge, the handful of GSP purchases my wife and I have under our belts have gone through without serious hitches.  For all I know, our experiences may be more typical than the ones that have gone south due to poor repackaging.  Or not.

 

Larger markets than Canada probably have a proportionately smaller number of GSP sales due to reasons of cost and geography, but the shipments may also be prepared a bit differently.  For example, an item's country of origin may not be such a big deal for an item destined for Liechtenstein, so the Global Shipping Center workers won't be knocking themselves out and ripping up packing material checking for that information.
 


I am fully aware that people come to discussion boards when they have problems. But I'm not even sure where you're going with your reply or what point it is you're trying to make. I think that anyone whose item never arrived, or arrived damage, or was not what they ordered wants the problem solved in a way that will not leave them out-of-pocket. Ebay has put in place an easy and transparent resolution process for non-GSP items. Do buyers of GSP items deserve any less? If, for whatever reason, it is not possible to set up such a process, then eBay should at the very least train ALL of its CS reps on how to handle GSP claims. And they also should at the very least have someone (preferably more than one person) do what Bennett used to do, which was read the boards for GSP-related complaints and offer to help the posters. It wouldn't be much, but it would be a start.

 

I still find it hard to swallow that PB could dictate to eBay what happens on eBay's site. Seems pretty far-fetched to me.

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I am fully aware that people come to discussion boards when they have problems. But I'm not even sure where you're going with your reply or what point it is you're trying to make. I think that anyone whose item never arrived, or arrived damage, or was not what they ordered wants the problem solved in a way that will not leave them out-of-pocket. Ebay has put in place an easy and transparent resolution process for non-GSP items. Do buyers of GSP items deserve any less? If, for whatever reason, it is not possible to set up such a process, then eBay should at the very least train ALL of its CS reps on how to handle GSP claims. And they also should at the very least have someone (preferably more than one person) do what Bennett used to do, which was read the boards for GSP-related complaints and offer to help the posters. It wouldn't be much, but it would be a start.

 


The terms and conditions page for buyers using the GSP says at least two things related to claims, although they're admittedly a bit cryptic.

 

1.  The seller retains title to a GSP item until it is delivered, but delivery is PB's responsibility once it leaves the Global Shipping Center.

 

2.  A GSP purchase "may be" covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee or the PayPal Purchase Protection Program in certain conditions specified in the T&C.

 

Put two and two together and the T&C is stating that a buyer has to file with eBay or PayPal if their item is damaged by the Global Shipping Center, not received after the GSC has processed it, or the GSC fouled up and forwarded the wrong item.

My take on the issues users have with this claim process is that the buyers are either going through the seller first and not getting a full refund as a result, or else they're simply unfamiliar with the claims process in general.

While the claims process could definitely be spelt out more clearly, I don't get the sense that it's as murky and hoop-filled as you're suggesting.  When's the last time we had a post on this board from someone who had their item damaged by the Global Shipping Center, by the way?

 


@00nevermind00 wrote:

@marnotom! wrote:

@00nevermind00 wrote:

 

Why do I think that buyers in other GSP countries are not any happier than Canadian buyers are when their GSP transaction goes South and they can't figure out how to get all of their money back? No one I know likes to have nothing to show for the money they spend.

 


They probably aren't, but how do you measure "unhappiness" realistically?  There are certainly a number of complaints about the difficulty in obtaining a full refund for a GSP transaction on the Canadian discussion boards, but we don't know how representative they are of the total number of GSP sales to Canada.  Remember, people tend to post on discussion boards when something goes wrong, not when something goes right.  To the best of my knowledge, the handful of GSP purchases my wife and I have under our belts have gone through without serious hitches.  For all I know, our experiences may be more typical than the ones that have gone south due to poor repackaging.  Or not.

 

Larger markets than Canada probably have a proportionately smaller number of GSP sales due to reasons of cost and geography, but the shipments may also be prepared a bit differently.  For example, an item's country of origin may not be such a big deal for an item destined for Liechtenstein, so the Global Shipping Center workers won't be knocking themselves out and ripping up packing material checking for that information.
 


 

I still find it hard to swallow that PB could dictate to eBay what happens on eBay's site. Seems pretty far-fetched to me.


I don't think I've ever stated or implied that Pitney Bowes is "dicating" to eBay what it does on its site.  I think it's more along the lines that eBay has an agreement to allow Pitney Bowes to have the GSP hosted on the eBay sites, but apart from making the GSP a default setting for US and UK sellers, they're going to give as much support to Pitney Bowes as they would to, say, these guys, which is to say, squat.

 

 

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<<Many buyer irritants could be removed . . . have a pop-up window appear. . .

. . . when they wish to purchase more from the same seller. . .

. . . when a buyer opens a claim for a GSP item, advising them of the process

. . . change the words "International Priority Shipping" to avoid the (seemingly intentional) confusion with Priority International

. . . remove the promise of end-to-end tracking >> 

 

Bravo, - that whole post was a first-rate distillation of all that is wrong with the GSP and some absolutely excellent 

proposals to quickly, easily, and affordably fix what ails it.  Since after all these years none of these things have been

done, I believe at root of it all  is what you have said elsewhere, -- that they simply don't care a jot about buyer experience.

 

 

<<  a seller . . . was being blocked by eBay from listing some of his items with the GSP. . . . all guitars.  . . .

. . . it could be because this one is hurting PB/Ebay where they don't want to be hurt and not because of buyer disappointment.>>

 

I think your last supposition is most accurate again.  Guitars too often arrive broken after being repackaged by the GSP,

and as such Pitney-Bowes will have to compensate for the loss on every sale.  And some instruments are quite expensive.

So again, it's all about their financial loss, or that is how it would appear in light of everything else.

 

 

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<<People should vote with their wallets. Those who say they hate the GSP should simply refrain from buying any GSP item,

no matter how tempting.>>

 

Yes, yes, yes.  Change only happens when enough people take action.  The only way to take action here, 

so as it will be noticed, is to stop buying GSP items, -- at least until the bugs are fixed.  

 

But as you have said elsewhere, "holding one's nose" whilst making the purchase anyway then subsequently grousing 

about it will improve or change nothing.  And it is not just us here in Canada.  The GSP does not have a lot of support 

elsewhere in the world, with posters occasionally suggesting a boycott of the program, and certainly avoidance.

Other countries to not have the lengthy threads that we do here because they never bought the volume of US items that

Canadians did.  But even Priority mail is thought by many to be a better choice than the GSP.  

 

 

That is why I always suggest people ask a seller to send the item through the mail and take it out of the GSP.

By all means, people should continue to buy, -- and most people with a kindly worded request will be able to get the 

desired item with a service they prefer at a price they are comfortable paying.  Everybody wins. Smiley Happy (except Pitney-Bowes).

 

 

 

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 Most of the many unnecessary shortfalls of the GSP, and it's handling by ebay, just seem to add to PB's profits at the buyers and sellers expense.

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Cross all of your fingers and toes, and warn your seller that the GSP for some unknown reason, will not process and forward guitars.

Whether they destroy them or whether they just keep them for resale, I don't know, but there are a lot of reports about this.


My recollection--and AF may have some memory of this as well--is that in the early days of the GSP and the dying days of the .com site's  International Trading board, there was a series of posts from an outraged buyer who had purchased a rare guitar from a seller using the GSP.  The Global Shipping Center refused to forward it due to what appeared to be concerns about CITES, the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora.

Some information on CITES can be found here:

http://www.fretboardjournal.com/features/magazine/guitar-lover%E2%80%99s-guide-cites-conservation-tr...

I can't vouch for its accuracy, however.

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I recall the guitar threads, the basis of the problem seems to have been the use of South American rosewood in guitar bodies by some makers. It may have been Gibson who were prosecuted for it.

 

Lacking any rosewood experts, it seemed the GSP shippers were blocking all guitars, just in case.

 

It may be that they have since refined the wood checking department, but who knows. Buyers were refunded and sellers kept the purchase price, PB sold off the guitars domestically.

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