Anybody seen USMCA Certification of Origin document? What use as Origin Criterion 2nd hand items?

[itolduandso]

I guess, for a 2nd hand items made in CA/US/MX I will be using the option B almost all the time.

All the other options are out of question for 2nd hand used items.

https://www.lightsource.ca/users/your-cls-experiment/practical-information/usmca-certificate-of-orig...

Here is what it says:

7. ORIGIN  CRITERION

Specify the origin criterion (A, B, C, or D) under which the good qualifies, as set out in Article 4.2 (Originating Goods): A ‐ Wholly obtained or produced entirely in the territory of one or more of the Parties, as defined in Article 4.3 (Wholly Obtained  or Produced Goods)  B ‐ Produced entirely in the territory of one or more of the Parties using non‐originating materials provided the good satisfies all  applicable requirements of Annex 4‐B (Product‐Specific Rules of Origin)  C ‐ Produced entirely in the territory of one or more of the Parties exclusively from originating materials  D ‐ “Except for a good provided for in Chapter 61 to 63 of the Harmonized System:      (i) produced entirely in the territory of one or more of the Parties;      (ii) one or more of the non‐originating materials provided for as parts under the Harmonized System used in the production of  the good cannot satisfy the requirements set out in Annex 4‐B (Product‐Specific Rules of Origin) because both the good and its materials are classified in the same subheading or same heading that is not further subdivided into subheadings or, the good was  imported into the territory of a Party in an unassembled or a disassembled form but was classified as an assembled good  pursuant to rule 2(a) of the General Rules of Interpretation of the Harmonized System; and      (iii) the regional value content of the good, determined in accordance with Article 4.5 (Regional Value Content), is not less than  60 percent if the transaction value method is used, or not less than 50 percent if the net cost method is used”

[lacemaker3]

Is it even going to be feasible to obtain a CUSMA cetificate for a one-off, second-hand item?

Are second-hand items even eligible?

Apparently, not if they have been repaired, modifed ( or repackaged?) while they are outside the US.

I don't know much about how you obtain one, but in this article, there's a quote from a small manufacturer, who has started the process for the items her small business makes. She expects it to take up to 3 months to get the certificate.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/article/small-businesses-brace-for-higher-costs-as-us-ends-shipping-...

I don't know the answers, I am just posing some questions.

[chicweb]

If I send myself, I'm not even sure I will bother with the CUSMA certification. I will just send DDP with tariff included as if the item was not CUSMA compliant.

There's a delay to get an item compliant. On eBay, we are tight on schedule to send our items. I will not wait 2 or 3 days for CUSMA compliance. For Chit Chat, I have to ship in my items, another 2 or 3 days.... A week just for the item to be received by ChitChat and then sent to the customers? No way. Too long.

I won't set my handling time to 7 days for sure. 😉

[mrdutch1001]

yes, good luck to all those sellers who think CUSMA is a solution for their goods as they "thought" they were going to easily pass through the system tariff-free...

[chicweb]

Just saw this. Posted it in another thread but I think it belong here.

On the CBP page.
https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/USMCA/FAQs

Are there exceptions to USMCA’s certification of origin requirement?
A certification of origin is not required for: (1) a non-commercial importation of a good, or (2) a commercial importation for which the value of the originating goods does not exceed US $2,500, provided the importation does not form part of a series of importations that may be considered to have been undertaken or arranged for purposes of evading United States laws, regulations, or procedures governing claims for preferential treatment. Note that even if the value of non-originating goods is less than US $2,500, a written statement certifying that the goods originate may still be required. Further, if CBP determines that an importation is part of a series of importations carried out or planned for purposes of evading compliance with preference requirements, the importer may be required to submit a certification of origin.

[itolduandso]

Can't you self-sertify for one-off sales selling 2nd hand items?

[itolduandso]

Stallion uses AI to certify for DDP, so perhaps that would be how the broker working with Chitchats will agree them to do for CUSMA certification.

[itolduandso]

I wonder whether this was the TACO sort of thing they decided to roll the Certificate back to 2500 limit, or was is Canada (and others) saying like no way..  I can't imagine how Canada Post would handle this stuff shipping small stuff like used pair of pants, the CP employee filling in the Certification or would it be the shipper has to do that first online and then generate the labels and stuff.  That would be pathetic, so the 2500 limit is probably a way to avoid a total absolute gridlock.