12-20-2012 10:56 PM
How will this exactly works for self-employed if he wants to collectively bargain and eventually go on strike ?
12-22-2012 05:02 PM
12-22-2012 05:22 PM
"Before I posted this I called three PSW’s that I know ... One makes 12.50, one 13.25 and the other 14.00 an hour."
So why post "$10 to $12.50" ?
12-22-2012 05:28 PM
Because some do get paid 10 to 12.50....I just don't happen to know any personally.
What's a buck here or there anyhow.......they should be all getting the same, about 24 or more an hour considering what they have to do for a living. You know as well as I do that anybody with a job gets paid different wages depending on the company and on the location.
12-22-2012 05:59 PM
"You know as well as I do that anybody with a job gets paid different wages depending on the company and on the location."
That is correct and there is little wrong with that.
A policeman or fireman in Toronto makes a lot more money than one in Halifax or Winnipeg? And the list goes on.
Folks who do not like their paycheque should look for work elsewhere.
There is more to personal satisfaction than the amount of the paycheque a worker gets. Many may prefer to work for less in a smaller, possibly more friendly city or village where the cost of housing may be substantially less.
Others may leave the big paycheque from the stressful management position to take something easier for them and their family. I know one guy who did that. Left a senior management position paying in excess of $150,000 in 1981 (that would be a lot of money in current dollars!) to own and manage a much smaller business in a totally different industry.
We are all free to make a choice.
12-22-2012 08:01 PM
A policeman or fireman in Toronto makes a lot more money than one in Halifax or Winnipeg? And the list goes on.
I wish the provincial arbitrators could read this. They seem to think that firefighters and policemen in London should make the same as those in Toronto.
Folks who do not like their paycheque should look for work elsewhere.
Easier said than done in this economic climate.
There is more to personal satisfaction than the amount of the paycheque a worker gets.
My son paid his way through University working at Tim Hortons. When he graduated from Western, he went back to Timmies - because he enjoys it. He is a Supervisor. He works hard and his boss recognizes that with bonuses, free Knights tickets, and other perks. He does not own a car. He realizes that if he wants a house, he will need a higher paying job. For now, he is content where he is.
12-22-2012 10:04 PM
Let's go back to discussing if strike should be "protected constitutional right" or it should be tool of last resort with no protection.
I am not saying workers must not strike, but they should not have job guarantee and protection from disciplinary action if they actually do. Employee with valuable skill should be in better negotiating position than unskilled employee. The protected right to strike makes no difference between useful valuable employee and lazy one. If you are valuable to the company, they will meet your reasonable demands even without the legal protection. If you are lazy, you don't deserve any extras and increases anyway. Conclusion - right to strike promotes laziness.
Btw, while I appreciate "prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil" is so eager to offer his opinion to pretty much anything, I would like to hear from others too.
12-22-2012 10:13 PM
You might as well discuss quantum physics with a walnut, Dipmicro. Actually, I think the walnut has greater intellectual capacity.
pigdog47, LOL. He does not strike me like lacking intelect, but the discussions are more like listening to radio broadcast. You can talk, but nothing makes it back. Perhaps he spends most of his time on the board, because nobody in real-life wants to discuss (I mean listen) anymore.
12-22-2012 10:38 PM
I always enjoy watching gangs gang up on a person. It's like kids in a school yard. It says so much about who they are.
I would like to hear from others too
I don't see anything stopping anyone. It's a free world.
In reply to Pierre....
I don't believe in that concept. A fireman or a cop all have the same job, take the same risks and should be paid the same. A retirement or long care home in the country or in the city the PSWs do exactly the same job so the only reason there is a wage difference is the company that owns the operation can make more money. Although it is common for people to take less in wages it is often only because they are more desperate for a job and that's all that is important and.....the employers know it. This is the same concept for big corporations who are having products made off shore and in central America....because people in these countries are desperate for work and the Corporations don't mind using what is tantamount to slave labour. Life shouldn't be what can a person get away with, it should be what is the right, fair and equal thing to do.
12-22-2012 11:53 PM
Although it is common for people to take less in wages it is often only because they are more desparate for a job and that's all that is important and .... the employers know it.
So true and we see examples of that everyday.
Life should'nt be what can a person get away with, it should be what is the right, fair and equal thing to do.
In an ideal world yes, unfortunately we do not live in one, though i still believe karma will strike those people back.
12-23-2012 12:08 AM
12-23-2012 07:27 AM
"A fireman or a cop all have the same job, take the same risks and should be paid the same."
On a personal level, life as we know it must be difficult for you as the world does not work on your principles of "equality".
I find it more satisfying to adapt to our society as it exists and find what is good about it. As far as I am concerned, it is important for individuals to have a choice and not be forced to artificial standards such as "same pay for everyone with the same job title", regardless of other factors.
Since we live in a relatively free society, everyone is allowed a different opinion. And that's OK too!
12-23-2012 08:49 AM
"same pay for everyone with the same job title"
Communism! Lump all the workers into the same economic pigeonhole. North Korea!!! The windbag (an elitist who would make and enforce the rules for others to follow) displays a total disdain for reality, A Union environment stifles productiveness and innovativeness,
12-23-2012 09:13 AM
Unions protect the mediocre, the sheep who blindly follow the mob, and those who do not want to exert themselves too much. They do not allow infividuals to contribute their full potential because it would make the sheep look bad..
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12-23-2012 09:24 AM
"Since we live in a relatively free society, everyone is allowed a different opinion"
Apparently Board Boss never got the memo.
12-23-2012 09:34 AM
A Unionized dairy herd would ostracize and intimidate the Holstein who dared to produce more milk than the quantity agreed to through protracted negotiations between the Cow Union leaders and the Wealthy Farmer. (Who "must" be a greedy capitalist exploiting the herd).
12-23-2012 10:57 AM
Before I posted this I called three PSW’s that I know ... One makes 12.50, one 13.25 and the other 14.00 an hour."
So why post "$10 to $12.50" ?
2 reasons
1- he never posts the truth
2-it makes his story better!!
12-23-2012 11:03 AM
Unions protect the mediocre, the sheep who blindly follow the mob, and those who do not want to exert themselves too much. They do not allow infividuals to contribute their full potential because it would make the sheep look bad..
I agree with this 1000% . Why work harder than "joe" when no matter how hard you work your going to make the same amount of money as he is?
I was raised that you work hard no matter what but we have come to a society of people that do only what is required .
I remember working at a place (non-union) and those that worked the hardest made the most money and got the most hours!
It's about time we went back to "merit" pay rather than everybody with the same title makes the exact same after about 5 years on most pay grids.
12-23-2012 12:06 PM
According Labour Relations Act, section 79
Where a collective agreement is in operation, no employee bound by the agreement shall strike and no employer bound by the agreement shall lock out such an employee.
and
Where no collective agreement is in operation, no employee shall strike and no employer shall lock out an employee until the Minister has appointed a conciliation officer or a mediator under this Act and ...
Ok then, so what is all the ruckus about Bill 115? There is no such thing as blanket "right to strike" and never was.
12-23-2012 12:36 PM
I find it more satisfying to adapt to our society as it exists and find what is good about it.
Satisfying….or just easier? I think, the latter. Let me put it in a time context of your generation that would help you understand.
There are things larger and more important in this world than small square pieces of paper with glue on the back. 1950 Canada, First Nations people were not allowed to vote in a land that was theirs. I suppose because society in general said they could not vote…..that it was more satisfying to ignore injustice and instead just….. adapt. 1950 USA, Black people could not vote. Based on the concept of adapting, it would have been more personally satisfying to adapt with that as well. But lets bring it up to date….today India…many men living there also are happy to stay adapted with the status quo because it is more satisfying....but not for the women who have to live through it.
Some people are leaders and some people are followers. I’ve never been a follower especially when it comes to injustice and equality.
never got the memo
It seems in some places, everyone is allowed their so-called ‘opinion’…… as long as it goes along with the mob.
Facebook must be boring. People with little to do in their lives but talk about themselves, how many diapers the grandkid used yesterday, how many muffins were made last week, how adorable little angels are etc etc ad nauseam.
Communism!
I suggest you read up on Communism, before commenting about it. There are many types of Communism….even Christian Communism. The basic idea of original thought on communism was “the idea of a free society with no division or alienation, where the people are free from oppression and scarcity.” Gee almost sound Christ like….what a concept.
However like all original good things, be they political or religious, there are those who take control for their own benefit. The greed for power and money of the human race. But for some it’s a lot more ‘satisfying’ to just ‘adapt’ and walk the low easy road downhill, than fight for something better and take the harder high road.
A fire fighter in Edmonton in 2011 made on average 37.00 an hour. The same fire fighter in Vancouver made on average 24.50. That’s a difference in income of 26,000 dollars a year. Now you go and tell the firefighters of Vancouver that they are Communists if they want to be paid the same as their fellow fire fighters in Edmonton. You go tell their union that they have no right to stand up for their members.
A Unionized dairy herd……….
Where do you come up with these comparisons? Unions do not ostracize anyone for producing more! Unions demand that all the cows get the same feed and not scraps, because they are all doing the same work and they don’t want to be living in a dangerous barn full of manure and with snow coming through the cracks…. when the owner of the farm lives in a warm, clean, comfortable home which he has….. because of all the hard work of the cows. Without them and what they produce, he would be nothing.
12-23-2012 12:36 PM
Ok then, so what is all the ruckus about Bill 115? There is no such thing as blanket "right to strike" and never was.
Teachers (not all) are out to prove a point and nothing else. They know that when they hold the students hostage that they get what they want when they want it and if that is taken away from them so will some of their power