Non payment

[campbell_57]

Ebay useless for non paying buyers. Twice now and they have done nothing. Better to omit opening case and just give negative feedback for non payment

[73rhc]

Agreed

[femmefan1946]

I disagree.

If the seller opens an Unpaid Item Dispute, he gets his FVF back.

Not the listing fees, since those are for a service (advertising) that eBay did perform.

The buyer gets a Strike.

No one can leave feedback. Not the seller and not the buyer.

Most sellers have Blocks against bidders with Strikes for Unpaid Items. This is very important because most sellers nowadays cannot monitor their buyers. We use Fixed Price listings and don't know who is buying until they have bought. Come to it, most auction bids arrive late in the listing time, too late for the seller to monitor for poor feedback.

What you want is revenge. This is business not clan feuding.

[musicyouneed]

I totally agree with you.  I had someone try to buy something from me but because they had a couple of strikes against them they couldn't.  That is their punishment for bidding and not paying. 

[73rhc]

"No one can leave feedback. Not the seller and not the buy"

I know that this has been debated forever. But I disagree with not being able to leave neg. feedback to non paying bidders/buyers. I recently had one. The bidder had 1 positive feedback score. So I figured he/she was new. Everyone has to start somewhere. But the bidder never paid. So I open unpaid dispute, block the bidder and wait. So now, my item is tied up. Can't relist until the problem is resolved. So I waste my time and have to put in a little extra work. And the bidder gets off virtually scott free. Other sellers should be aware of these non paying bidders. And there is no way for us to know, now.

[73rhc]

Just to elaborate on the time issue. You can open a dispute 4 days after the auction ends. Then you have to wait 7 days to receive you fvf. If you cancel the transaction before that. The bidder walks. So for 11 days your item is in limbo. The process is a little too long and may discourage some sellers. Most probably just cancel and move on. And then the bidder walks. Please bring back the neg. feedback. At least for this situation. If a buyer pays, then great, no possibility of neg. feedback. Or a rating system like the sellers have! In my case the bidder can pay at the last second (11 days later) and all is good in the eyes of eBay.

[pierrelebel]

I am not sure where you get your information.

The official eBay policy can be found here:  http://pages.ebay.ca/help/sell/unpaid-items.html

The ability of sellers to leave negative feedback for buyers was removed years ago and will never come back.  It was abused by too many sellers forcing many good buyers off the site.  There is absolutely nothing to gain by anyone in leaving negative feedback for buyers, even non-paying buyers.

The current system requires sellers to file for non-payment (4 days) and close the case (4 more days).  Strikes are given to non-paying buyers.

Smart sellers use their "preferences" to block bids and purchases from members with more than 2 strikes.

The system works as long as all sellers use it correctly.

[pierrelebel]

ALL sellers should take advantage of one of the best tools offered by eBay to minimize non-paying bidders:

http://pages.ebay.ca/help/sell/buyer-requirements.html

It is amazing how so many sellers complain about non-paying bidders yet seem unaware of the opportunity to block most of those non-paying bidders.

[73rhc]

" The current system requires sellers to file for non-payment (4 days) and close the case (4 more days). Strikes are given to non-paying buyers."

My mistake. 4 days instead of 7. Big woop. My point remains the same.

[73rhc]

"The system works as long as all sellers use it correctly"

The system works is you have been brainwashed into believing so. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands to read all the posts here. So you should know that a lot of sellers are displeased with this. Some don't mind. But please refer to the first sentence!!!

"Smart sellers use their "preferences" to block bids and purchases from members with more than 2 strikes."

What about first time offenders who don't have the decency to communicate after they have refused to buy? Oh, I know. Let's give them a second chance to screw somebody!

[73rhc]

"It is amazing how so many sellers complain about non-paying bidders yet seem unaware of the opportunity to block most of those non-paying bidders."

What's amazing is the nonchalantness, that you can opt out of committing to a contract. And it's pretty much OK. And the nonchalantness of sellers thinking the system works.

[pierrelebel]

"You seem to have a lot of time on your hands..."

That is correct.  I am retired and time is my own.  I spend it as I wish.  For fifteen years I have used my experience to help other members who asked for or needed assistance.

With over 105,000 transactions on eBay in fifteen years, I feel I have the experience necessary to comprehend the system and provide assistance to members who may find it difficult to understand what selling/buying on eBay is all about.

"What about first time offenders..."

Honestly, how many non-paying bidders did you actually encounter in the last year?

How many minutes of your life did you spend to file a complaint?  Close it? Relist? and move on?

[73rhc]

"Honestly, how many non-paying bidders did you actually encounter in the last year?"

Honestly, I'm not sure of the exact number, at this moment. But there has been a few. One is too many!

"How many minutes of your life did you spend to file a complaint? Close it? Relist? and move on?"

As you so eloquently said, "time is my own". So if it's one minute or one hour, it's a waste of MY time!

[73rhc]

"With over 105,000 transactions on eBay in fifteen years, I feel I have the experience necessary to comprehend the system and provide assistance to members who may find it difficult to understand what selling/buying on eBay is all about."

I've seen pompous and demeaning posts from many people here, such as yourself. How are "helping" people, as long as they agree with your way of thinking. There more than one way to skin a cat. Try thinking outside of the box!

[73rhc]

"How are "helping" people,"

You are...

[73rhc]

***Crickets***

[dwigh-moffa]

I think this is all BS,  when you buy something from a seller and email them several times that you are unable to pay them and say if you have any more trouble call us,  but no number and no response to emails and you send that information to ebay whey should they give you a mark for non payment.  If you didn't reply to seller and make an effort to pay them I agree you should get a black mark.

More fraud on this site than you can count

Dwight

[kh-leslie]

Hi everyone,

Please remember that interpersonal disputes and hostile comments are not allowed on the boards. Let's keep the boards friendly and welcoming for everyone.

Thank you!

[73rhc]

Hi Leslie,

Please message me, so I can clearly understand what you are referring to. There are certain people who obviously do not like each other here. I can think of one person in particular. That being said. I try to stay away from threads that he replies to. I cannot say that he reciprocates! But when he replies to a thread that I answered, I will engage the conversation. I know that the boards are open to all. But if the other person doesn't like my opinion, too bad. Have a little respect and stop the inappropriate subtleties.This is one of many reasons that the discussions become heated.

Thanks

[pjcdn2005]

---

@dwigh-moffa wrote:

I think this is all BS,  when you buy something from a seller and email them several times that you are unable to pay them and say if you have any more trouble call us,  but no number and no response to emails and you send that information to ebay whey should they give you a mark for non payment.  If you didn't reply to seller and make an effort to pay them I agree you should get a black mark.

More fraud on this site than you can count

Dwight

---

Why were you unable to pay for the item? Was there a technical problem when you went to pay or did you change your mind and/or realize that you didn't have the money to pay? If it was the second reason then yes, the buyer should receive a strike as they had already committed to purchasing the item.