Canadian buyers and GSP

Since 2009 I have been and am a VERY happy eBay buyer. The recent surge of US based eBay sellers partnering with GSP, however, has me scratch my head. From what I can tell, it postures to solve a completely non-existing problem while creating a very tangible and substantial one. 

   In the years I have been buying on eBay, a shipment to me from the US has NEVER ONCE been halted at the Canadian Border Agency to accrue charges of broker's fees, sales taxes and import charges.  I have NOT PAID A CENT EVER in such charges for shipments originating from US based eBay sellers.  Shipments can be halted, but in my own experience, they rarely, if ever, are.

   For each and every purchase from a seller who is partnering with GSP, however, such charges are paid (probably in addition to monies paid to eBay and GSP for their hand in the arrangement) and paid substantially. In a typical eBay transaction an item won at $26 cost $11.50 to ship and $9.51 (!!!) in GSP import charges.

   Postal rates have gone up steeply for international shipping recently, adding to the sudden increase in the cost of shipping to Canada..

   EBay may not be able to influence US postal costs, but the GSP partnership with eBay vendors is definitely an area of eBay's direct control and prerogative.

   I will not buy from an eBay business who partners with GSP.

   This year we Canadians number 35 million people and I'm sure that there are many of them who LOVE eBay as much as I do.  Since this is a substantial market, I think it would be exceedingly foolish and myopic of eBay to jeopardize it altogether by taking GSP on board. Several eBay sellers I have contacted say that if the partnership becomes mandatory, they will cease to offer their listings to Canadians.  Some have tried to work with GSP and find immediately that it doesn't serve them or their Canadian customers well - they have subsequently backed out of the partnership.  Many have figured out beforehand and on their own that it wouldn't be in their interest or that of their Canadian customers and they have not opted for bringing GSP on board.  All sellers say that they are encouraged by eBay to partner with GSP.

   Every seller I have discussed this issue with was under the impression that this a valuable service devised to streamline the buying process and solve existing problems for their Canadian customers.  This is, then, patently untrue.  If this is how eBay, against their better knowing, "sells" the GSP program to their vendors, eBay actively misleads them.  If eBay is unaware of the real state of affairs in regards to import charges, it ought to look into the factual situation more diligently before making such a serious move.  It appears to be a predatory and parasitic practise.

   It seems, thus, that the arrangement benefits GSP, eBay and the coffers of Canada.  It doesn't benefit eBay vendors or their Canadian customers.  In the end, since we all coexist and are interdependent, if it chokes or severely affects the Canadian market, only GSP and the government of Canada come out the winners, not eBay, not eBay sellers, not Canadian eBay buyers.

   Other US based on-line businesses are partnered with similar programs for shipping to Canadian customers, which is one of the reasons I always prefer to buy on eBay.

   Why fix what works perfectly well without fixing?

  

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Well, then perhaps it would be nicer if you didn't incorrectly state that Pierre is correct is keeping the post clean when he wants to talk about refunds.

 

Yes, I'm keeping it alive but no more than the other guy.

 

Or am I easier less threatening (for you) to nail?

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You know me by now.

 

The only reason i am on the fence on this is because it is something i have control over & can only offer views in regards to my category.

 

For the most part it works in my category & I've stated the reasons previously.

 

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That's not the fence I was referring to.

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I agree.

 

The refund inquiries are on another thread.

 

So many threads on this Topic they are starting to all look the same.

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"Holy" ? Pierre ???

 

Sorry, I am not ready for that yet!

 

The steps to canonization That the saints have to go through to become a saint.

 

"Servant of God" The process leading towards canonization begins at the diocesan level. A bishop with jurisdiction—usually the bishop of the place where the candidate died or is buried, although another ordinary can be given this authority—gives permission to open an investigation into the virtues of the individual, responding to a petition by members of the faithful, either actually or pro forma. This investigation usually opens no sooner than five years after the death of the person being investigated. The pope, as Bishop of Rome, may open a process and has the authority to waive the five-year waiting period, as was done for Mother Teresa by Pope John Paul II, and for Lúcia Santos and for John Paul II himself by Pope Benedict XVI. Normally, a guild or organization to promote the cause of the candidate's sainthood is created, an exhaustive search of the candidate's writings, speeches and sermons is undertaken, a detailed biography is written and eyewitness accounts are gathered. When sufficient information has been gathered, the investigation of the candidate, who is called "Servant of God", is presented by the local bishop to the Roman Curia—in particular, the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints—where it is assigned a postulator, whose task is to gather further information about the life of the Servant of God. Religious orders who regularly deal with the congregation often have their own designated postulator generals. At some point, permission is then granted for the body of the Servant of God to be exhumed and examined. A certification ("non cultus") is made that no superstitious or heretical worship or improper cult has grown up around the servant or his or her tomb, and relics are taken.

 

"Venerable/Heroic in Virtue" When enough information has been gathered, the congregation will recommend to the pope that he make a proclamation of the Servant of God's heroic virtue (that is, that the servant exhibited the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity, and the cardinal virtues of prudence, justice, fortitude and temperance, to a heroic degree). From this point the one said to be "heroic in virtue" is referred to by the title "Venerable". A Venerable has as yet no feast day, no churches may be built in his or her honor, and the church has made no statement on the person's probable or certain presence in heaven, but prayer cards and other materials may be printed to encourage the faithful to pray for a miracle wrought by his or her intercession as a sign of God's will that the person be canonized.

 

"Blessed" Beatification is a statement by the church that it is "worthy of belief" that the person is in heaven, having come to salvation. This step depends on whether the Venerable is a martyr or a "confessor".

  • For a martyr, the Pope has only to make a declaration of martyrdom, a certification that the venerable gave his or her life voluntarily as a witness for the faith and/or in an act of heroic charity for others.
  • If the Venerable was not a martyr – all non-martyrs are "confessors" as they "confessed" or bore witness to their faith by how they lived their lives – it must be proven that a miracle has taken place by his or her intercession: that is, that God has shown a sign that the person is enjoying the Beatific Vision by God performing a miracle in response to the Blessed's prayers. Today, these miracles are almost always miraculous cures, as these are the easiest to establish based on the Catholic Church's requirements for a "miracle." (The patient was sick, there was no known cure for the ailment, prayers were directed to the Venerable, the patient was cured, the cure was spontaneous, instantaneous, complete and lasting, and doctors cannot find any natural explanation.)

This allows beatification, giving the venerable the new title "Blessed" (abbreviated "Bl.") or, in Latin, Beatus or Beata. A feast day will be designated, but its observance is normally restricted to the Blessed's home diocese, to certain locations associated with him or her, and/or to the churches or houses of the blessed's religious order, if they belonged to one. Parishes may not normally be named in honor of a Blessed.

 

"Saint" (contracted "St" or "S.") To be canonized a saint, at least two miracles must have been performed through the saint's intercession after his or her death (i.e., an additional miracle after that granting beatification). Canonization is a statement by the church that the person certainly enjoys the Beatific Vision. The saint is assigned a feast day which may be celebrated anywhere within the Catholic Church, although it may or may not appear on the general calendar or local calendars as an obligatory feast, parish churches may be built in his or her honor, and the faithful may freely and without restriction celebrate and honor the saint.

In the case of persons that common usage has called saints from "time immemorial" (in practice, since before 1500 or so), the Church may carry out a "confirmation of cultus", which is much simpler. For example, Saint Hermann Joseph had his veneration confirmed by Pope Pius XII.

 

In the case of the Eastern Catholic Churches, individual churches sui juris retain, in theory, the right to glorify saints for their own jurisdictions, though this has rarely happened in practice.

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Now this is fun just like last weekend.

 

The only thing i can draw for this is i*m's a Robin Thicke fan.

 

Unfortunately i don't know who he is. I know i'm out of touch.

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"I'm all for friendly debate on all topics but unless someone brings something new, the GSP topic is getting played out.

 

Everyone has stated their views & i have no issue with that but we seem to be reading pages of the same views over & over again."

 

 

It may be getting played out for you but not for me and many others.  I believe the program is designed in such a way that eventually poeple will just accept it and give in because it is such a convoluted PIA to deal with. A  seller just messaged me after opting out of GSP but it will take up to 72 hours. I bet it doesn't take that long to opt in.

 

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i*m-still-here,

 

These guys are using an old verbal self defence tactic where they pretend to not understand what you are saying then ask questions about it to detour your arguements.  Keep up the good fight.

 

marnotom,

 

My reference to bulk shipping: If I were a us seller selling pocket watches and sold 10 in a week I could ship all 10 at once in a box to Kentucky at a cheaper postal rate than I charged for the 10 individual sales.

 

 AS AN ILLUSTRATION: 10 watches  X $10 each for shipping = $100   Shipped all at once to KY for $40 t0 $70. And regardless of whether my figures are correct it would still be cheaper and ill gotten gains at the expense of Canadian buyers. 

 

 

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"Go back and read the OP."

 

I did and actually read all posts for the entire thread. I suggest you and all readers with an open mind do the same.

 

The discussion here was civil and most posters (myself included) agreed that GSP was not suitable for most transactions by most Canadian buyers.  Some questions were answered and points-of-view exchanged.  Nobody was "defending" (your word) GSP, nobody! That civility lasted until your first post on this thread (#60):

 

"I stopped following the GSP threads a long time ago.......... they're all the same.  BUT......... I hate the GSP, and judging from the posts here that's pretty much unanimous among Canadians."

 

Why you introduced "hate" into the discussion, I do not know.  Why you assumed your "hate" is "pretty much unanimous among Canadians" is totally beyond comprehension.  Who are you to state other Canadians "hate" a shipping program?

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...it is such a convuluted PIA to deal with.

 

That has been covered numerous times.

 

A seller just messaged me after opting out of the GSP

 

and so has that.

 

Many sellers have been messaged wondering if they are willing to opt out of the program.

 

Some will, some won't. Their choice.

 

We all have to find a way to make it work for us.

 

If we can't, we move on. Our choice.

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@lpwasy wrote:

i*m-still-here,

 

These guys are using an old verbal self defence tactic where they pretend to not understand what you are saying then ask questions about it to detour your arguements.  Keep up the good fight.

 

 



OK, I get that, but I also know that  that they are banking on the fact that most readers just skim the posts and are easily fooled.  

 

That's why I take the time to clarify what i said when I'm questioned or misquoted that way.

 

 

BB.......... you stated that I'm the reason tthat these posts do not come to an end.

Please note that Pierre was the one who opted to continue with me with his confrontational post.

You addressed the wrong poster.

 

 

I am also not debating anything with him or anyone else.

 

There is nothing to debate.  

 

Pierre: What difference does it make which word I choose to employ?:  Hate, dislike, don't care for, despise, have negative feelings for, feel it takes advantage of buyers, uses people by making them think they're getting something for their money when they are not.......... etc. etc, etc.

Take your choice.

If you find the very common over used word "Hate" offensive, then please substitute another.

 

But, you do have a point.  I could have used a better word.  Hate is so overused it sounds wishy washy and really has no punch.

I could have been more creative.

But offensive?

I don't think so.

 

OK........ so this thread ihas become  a place to vent.......... so what's wrong with that?

If buyers start a new thread every time there's a problem there will endless new threads.

 

A few moments ago I had another very negative encounter with the GSP.   I have a very strong aversion towards  that program. Smiley Happy

 

 

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OK, so I got the headphones today.  All is good and no drama to speak of.  I wasn't dinged twice or anything like that.  So to recap, I paid $200 for a new pair of AKG headphones, and paid something like $22 in shipping and $23 for customs.  They probably would have cost me around $400 if purchased in Canada. 

 

The US seller used Fedex to ship to PB and from there it was shipped Canada Post Expedited, in which ebay sent me the tracking.

 

I have to wonder what would happen if the seller wanted a signature.  I assume PB uses alternate shipping options to Canada.

 

PB also covered up the original paper work that the seller filled out.

 

ONE thing I do like about this system is that the contents of the package are not devulged.  So people who handle the package aren't seeing inticing words like "iPhone 5" for example.  It could cut down on postal theft.  (Maybe PB sees this, I'm not sure) Plus you don't get idiots at customs opening your package with the possibility of not repacking it properly.  In fact, I have to wonder what Canada Customs thinks of this program, with regards to the search aspect.

 

In any case, I'll only do this again if the seller is familiar with GSP and if the customs charge is fair.  I'll probably steer clear of items below $100.

 

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"In any case, I'll only do this again if the seller is familiar with GSP and if the customs charge is fair.  I'll probably steer clear of items below $100."

 

I totally agree with you.  And I am glad your experience was positive.

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@exoteeth wrote:

 

In any case, I'll only do this again if the seller is familiar with GSP and if the customs charge is fair.  I'll probably steer clear of items below $100.

 


It's possible that items which are new and have duty owing are processed differently that items for which there are only taxes owing................

But note that even though there is a law that used items over $20 will have taxes owing when imported, that law is very rarely enforced.

 

It's hit and miss, but for me the percentage over the years has been so low that I can count the times I've had to pay taxes on my fingers and I get items over $20 every day (valued well over $1,000) ....................... have been for many many years.

 

New items with duty and taxes owing may be a different story.  I don't know.

 

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Glad it worked out for you exoteeth. BTW, Great user name.

 

i*m, I never suggested that.

 

You can both trade shots all you want, my opinions on both of you will not change, but lets bring something to the table that is worth debating in regards to the GSP & not the same old kvetching over & over again.

 

Call it a draw between the two of you. Your both have your opinions & thats fine also.

 

New & Experienced Buyers have a myriad of information on the subject & can hopefully make an informed choice.

 

Gotta fly, see you all tonight.

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BB......... I have to agree with that.

 

I don't buy new items, and I've pointed out several times that items which have duty owing may be processed differently than collectibles etc. are.

 

It's possible that the program is something to be considered for those items.

 

When I brought that up recently Pierre shot it down nickety-split and suggested that new items are bought are so rarely it was pointless to bring it up.

 

 

However, I'd like to point out that the two buyers here who have had good GSP experiences bought new items and perhaps they are used to paying duty and taxes.  Smiley Happy

 

 

 

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PJ, that is so NOT TRUE.  When we are happy with a change, we are right there posting about it.

We're not shy about that at all. (The way FB is left for buyers for example.)

 

You didn't address this portion of my post...."We see many posts about problems with a buyer or seller but we rarely see positive posts about that subject. Does that mean that it is 'pretty much' unanimous that most transactions on ebay have problems?"

 

You have posted about negative experiences as a buyer.....sellers not sending an invoice with a shipping cost......sellers charging too much for shipping......sellers sending items not as described....You've mentioned those problems more than once.   But I don't recall many (if any) posts from you about your positive experiences as a buyer.

I'm not saying that you are always negative but I am saying that people are absolutely more likely to post about something they feel negatively about rather than post something positive.

 

How many positive posts are there from sellers about the new feedback removal program....a dozen  at the most even though I think that most sellers see it as a positive thing.

How many negative posts were there when sellers could no longer leave negative feedback?  I'll take a wild guess and say there were at least hundreds...maybe thousands of negative posts on the subject. Does that mean that it was unanimous that sellers hated the feedback change?  No, as I know that there were many sellers who saw it is a positive change.

 

You are assuming that your thoughts on GSP are also held by thousands and thousands of Canadian buyers. I'm sure that many do think about it the same way that you do however to assume that you are speaking for all of those people seems very arrogant.

 

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"When I brought that up recently Pierre shot it down nickety-split and suggested that new items are bought are so rarely it was pointless to bring it up.' "

 

???

 

You are totally out of line. Where did I write that?  Link please.

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Are there exceptions?  Of course there are.

However, they are so very very few ........... one has to dig deep to find them ............... so what is the point?

 

 

If you are comparing a GSP shipping + import cost to a first class shipping cost...yes you probably have to dig deep to find a better deal from a GSP seller. However, not all sellers are willing to send items to Canada via first class. Many sellers want to use Priority and if you are using that as a comparison, you can often find a GSP item with a lower total cost than if it was sent direct from the seller with Priority.

 

As for American sellers........... That's another story and complicated and perhaps one for the .com seller's board.

I know that items with high shipping costs sell for much less............. and the GSP almost certainly will have higher shipping costs than almost all other items will...........but as I said that's one for US sellers to debate.

 

In my experiences, the GSP rarely has a higher shipping cost when compared to Priority so to say that the shipping cost is always higher isn't accurate. Actually, I've seen some items sold through GSP ...heavier items such as books....that actually have lower shipping charges than if sent first class international.

 

As far as used items being assessed differently than new items...I don't think that is how it works. as I have never seen a list put out by customs that  gives one duty rate for new items and one for used items. It is based on the dollar value of the item and on the 'type' of item that it is.

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