Do we actually really have "right" to strike ?

How will this exactly works for self-employed if he wants to collectively bargain and eventually go on strike ?


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Well I've gone on strike several times and then fired myself (because I found I was not in a union), then rehired myself after I looked at my resume. The time off was great! About 10 min.





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How will this exactly works for self-employed if he wants to collectively bargain and eventually go on strike ?


 


I collectively bargain with myself every day.  Ever since I retired 15 years ago, I seem to be busier than ever.  I keep saying that I am going to retire from eBay, but, every day I renew my contract with myself and go at it again. 


I have been through three (union) strikes in my career.  None of them were pleasant.   I have always been on the management side.  After retirement, I was a security guard during a strike at Falconbridge in Sudbury.  It was a unique experience and a very dangerous one.  I came close to losing an ear when someone went at my head with a 2 x 4.  One young guard (21 years old) was on patrol on a snowmobile.  He was run off the trail by strikers on theri own machines.  He crashed into a rock pile and had to be rushed to the hospital (after the strikers left him there in the snow and -40 degree temp. to die).  He ended up losing his spleen.  Other guards were injured as well.


So, if you are self-employed, don't bother with a strike - there are no winners. 

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Yeah, if you're inclined to strike, just go on an extended camping trip at a public park with the other Occupy losers, whom Mark Carney sympathizes with, even though he is heading to Britain to collect a $1.6 Million dollar salary/benefits/housing allowance.

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Some people need to have their lives.........occupied.





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I am trying to say thay guaranteed right to strike and legal protection from consequences is a spit in the face of people who go extra hundred miles and create jobs for others. Will enterpreneurs and investors be motivated to hire new people or rather invest in automated machinery instead ?



I am against the right to strike. You can strike but it's all out, strikers must bear the risk of getting replaced and/or prosecuted. Bargaining means compromise and not "my way or strike". It takes $5-$100k to train new employee and I am sure if majority of employees ask for something, the employers are listening even without the strike. And if they are not, nobody is holding anyone hostage, take your things and go.

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You couldn't be more wrong.


 


- Anyone who thinks most people create businesses to create jobs for others is in a world of their own. A majority of people create businesses to make money...........period. How they make it and in with the least expense is the only priority. That is why so many products are now made in countries with workers being paid 30 dollars a week and working in horrible working conditions. Most business people, especially large corporations and their share holders want only one thing......more money!


 


- Business owners and investors will always use machinery that is economically viable before hiring any human being. People are only hired because the machinery has not been invented, or the machinery itself is too expensive.


 


- Few unions have said "my way or strike"....only Harper says 'my way".


 


- I don't know where you come up with 5 to 100k to train someone, unless they are a nuclear scientist and most of them paid to go to university themselves. Few people these days are hired without experience.


 


You are unfortunetly out of touch with the average worker.





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I am trying to say thay guaranteed right to strike and legal protection from consequences is a spit in the face of people who go extra hundred miles and create jobs for others. Will enterpreneurs and investors be motivated to hire new people or rather invest in automated machinery instead ?


 


I am against the right to strike. You can strike but it's all out, strikers must bear the risk of getting replaced and/or prosecuted. Bargaining means compromise and not "my way or strike". It takes $5-$100k to train new employee and I am sure if majority of employees ask for something, the employers are listening even without the strike. And if they are not, nobody is holding anyone hostage, take your things and go.




I agree!  Striking and protesting every trivial inconvenience has become much in vogue in Western democracies.  Like the student protests over tuition hikes in Quebec as an example.  It is like an adult version of a kid throwing a tantrum.  People here have become spoiled brats.  Billions of folks around the world  will never enjoy the  social, educational, and working conditions which are the norm here.


As it says in Proverbs: "The leech has two daughters, Give, Give."  Unions are never satisfied.  Their 24/7 mandate is to get more $ for less work.


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Sheep, always agree.





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Hiring agencies take approx $5k per head and in engineering, it takes about 3-12 months for a person to start being useful. Average engineering salaries are 50-100k. My numbers come from real life, but here is the first website that comes on Google for "cost of hiring employee in North America"



http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0711/the-cost-of-hiring-a-new-employee.aspx



Who is out of touch ?



Support your claims with some independent expertise. And not a YouTube videos please.



Employment is a trade, employee trades her time for money with employer. The trade should be fair, so both sides should be on equal footing. If employees want legal protection for walking out, perhaps employers should demand legal protection from walking employees out of their premises too. It's the same, it's just fair.



The one out of touch with reality is you.


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You might as well discuss quantum physics with a walnut, Dipmicro.  Actually, I think the walnut has greater intellectual capacity.

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Hiring agencies take approx $5k per head and in engineering.


 


We’re talking about ordinary people who want ordinary jobs, not a division director of NASA.


You’re trying to divert the issue with information that does not apply.


 


The trade should be fair, so both sides should be on equal footing.


 


So when the CEO and shareholders of CAT were making a lot more money and had recently had a raise, but the workers were asked to take less……….you considered that ‘equal’? When a manager makes 200,000 a year in a retirement home complex, wearing a good suit and sitting comfortably behind a desk, while a PSW worker who has to pick up patients and get spat at and hit and who has to change adult diapers and clean up many other unmentionable things is making 25,000 a year…….but you call that “equal”?


 


Who is out of touch?


 


pigs are NATO.





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 PSW worker who has to pick up patients and get spat at and hit and who has to change adult diapers and clean up many other unmentionable things is making 25,000 a year…….but you call that “equal



NO PSW worker is making only $25,000 a year--well unless they are ONLY working part-time. But I know if you told the TRUTH your story just would not have the same effect

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A majority of PSW's are part time. It's worked that way by companies so they can avoid paying the benefits. Those part time PSW's make usually minimum wage. Part time make 10 to 12.50 an hour and they work for every cent of that! The full time workers make about 15 to 20 depending on if there is a union present in the location or not.


Even nurses....many in hospitals and retirement homes are part time so the companies can avoid full time and then having to pay benefits.


 


You really have to get out more mikey. Maybe you could try being a PSW for a week, if that long. Do what they do and tell me if it's worth 12 bucks and hour.






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like I STEVE    Said if you bother to get someone to read it to you was "unless they work PART-TIME"  something you FAILED to mention in your post and tried to make people believe that a FULL-TIME employee was maing $25,000 a year


 


take your BS and try and poush it on some liberals who might not be smart enough to catch on.

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"10.00 to 12.50 an hour"


 


????


 


Not that bad.


 


Please take a look:


 


http://ontarioseniors.blogspot.ca/2011/10/psw-wages-in-ontario.html 

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Most PSWs work part time so that the company does not have to pay them benefits…..that is why I said 25 grand a year. I didn't include the minority, for instance a PSW working for someone rich and is being paid 50 an hour? When one is talking about wages for the average person….you talk ….average wages.


 


Interesting link Pierre. To begin with the figures they give out are to attract people to the job and linked further down to OPSWA which is an organization for PSW workers but has no real power. It’s along the same lines as the Ontario Nurses Federation….not much power.


Before I posted this I called three PSW’s that I know who work in different institutions (all privately owned retirement and long term care faculties). One makes 12.50, one 13.25 and the other 14.00 an hour. That’s before taxes. All of these women work in country residences so if they worked in TO for example they may make more, but the standard of living in TO and the costs are much higher. In the end it all balances out. I have spoken to these women many times before and they have told me what they have to deal with in their jobs as they deal with unfortunate people who have illnesses and Alzheimer’s and dementia. Many elderly people who really need psychiatric care but there are not enough facilities are now in retirement homes and some of them despite their age are very dangerous. Everytime a PSW is hit, spat at, hair pulled or some other things which are worse a report is made out and goes to the Dept of Labour.....but few times anything really happens. Neither under the law can you restrict a violent resident in any way. 


 


But it is not just the elderly they have to deal with and all the things that go with that but also the management who are out of course to make a buck. Many times the internal structures of the management and the politics make work harder. But you can’t say anything or complain…..or you’re out the door, or your part time hours are cut. One PSW told me on the phone that just the other day the family of a resident left a box of chocolates at the PSW station for the ladies. Along comes the Director of Care and takes the box and says she will take them to her office and hand them out as she feels necessary. They have yet to see one chocolate. Yeah I know, it’s a small thing, but it gives you an idea that working in some of these residences is not all it is painted to be by organizations or websites. The real world is much different.


 


But, to be fair, there are also some residences that are good employers. I know of one, a place run by the Mennonites and not only is the staff treated and paid well….but the residents are wonderfully treated. However this residence is owned and run by a non-profit group.


 


By the way mikey, I’ve taken two weeks off. Come on up, bring your keyboard and I’ll be glad to fix it for you…..no charge.  





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"10.00 to 12.50 an hour"


 


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Not that bad.


 


Please take a look:


 


http://ontarioseniors.blogspot.ca/2011/10/psw-wages-in-ontario.html 



 


A salary of 14.00 -  $20.00/hr for only having to complete a two semester college course is not that bad at all.  If a higher salary is sought, mebbe more education is the ticket!  Yeah, that's the ticket!


 


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Turtles are slowwwwwwwww.





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