So - will you still vote Liberal this time around?

valve37
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If we are apathetic and don't vote or care who wins, we deserve what we will get - another minority government.

It's time for a change. If you are a Liberal, yes I know that all governments have their skeletons, but surely it is time for someone else to form a government. We have all seen Premier Wynne's ad showing her jogging along a country road.

Have you noticed that she is running on the wrong side of the road? Let's put someone in who is running on the right side.

 

The following scams and mismanagement says it all.

Green Energy Act (20 billion)

eHealth scandal (almost 2 billion)

Gas plant scandal (1.1 billion theft and cover-up of our tax dollars

Deleting e-mails

ORNGE scandal (700 million)

Ontario Northland Railway scandal (820 million)

Caledonia Hydro Line scandal (116 million)

Destruction of the horse racing industry so that the American giants can bring in their casinos to the benefit of the Liberals pocket books.
Loss of thousands of jobs related to the industry and to Ontario’s agriculture.


Lobbyist scandal (two multi-million dollar scandals)

Eco-Fee Reversal scandal (18 million)

CancerCare Ontario scandal (millions of dollars)

Slush Fund scandal (32 million)

Niagara Falls Commission scandal

Ontario Power Generation scandal

Children’s Aid Society scandal

Nanticoke Coal Power Plant Shutdown scandal

G20 Secretly Approved Police Power scandal

Auto Insurance scandal

Foreign Scholarships scandal (our students pay the highest tuition in Canada while foreign students get free university educations)

Offshore Wind Turbines scandal

Samsung scandal (sole-sourcing)

Pan Am scandal (cost increase from 1.4 to 2.5 billion)

MPAC scandal (over and under-valuation of properties)

OLG scandal (millions of dollars)

Isotape Shortage scandal

Chemotherapy Dosage scandal

Payout for Pan Am CEO (250 million)

Trillium Wind Power and Sky Power Limited lawsuit (500 million)

Cement company lawsuit (275 million) - Quarry outside Hamilton was scuttled for political reasons

School bus service lawsuit

Augusta/Westland lawsuit as it pertains to ORNGE

Elliot Lake Collapse lawsuits (two lives lost due to recovery delays)

Ontario Medical Association lawsuits - applied to Superior Court alleging McGuinty not negotiating in “good faith”

Breast Screening scandal (ensuing lawsuits due to thousands of misread mammograms, one life lost)

Class-action lawsuit for autism funding cancellation

Over 650 new agencies, boards, commissions and entities such as LHIN's and CCAC's

Over 300,000 new public servants many of whom, are on the sunshine list

Public sector employment in health care increased by 39%

Public sector employment in social services increased by 39%

Public sector employment in education increased by 34%

Paying more Liberal taxes only to receive fewer services as taxes now being spent to pay the salaries and perks of newly-assigned, Liberal-friendly public servants

Gutted our manufacturing base (job growth across Canada except in Ontario)

Nearly one million Ontarians now out of work

Increased spending by 80% while our economy grew by only 9%

More than doubled our debt to 288 billion

Running a 11.3 billion annual deficit

Debt servicing costs will rise from 11.4 billion today to 14.5 billion once the debt exceeds 300 billion by 2017-18

Interest payments on our debt now the third largest budget expenditure after health and education

Task Force on Competitiveness, Productivity and Economic Progress confirmed that McGuinty’s Green Energy Act grossly underestimated the cost to consumers and overestimated the number of new jobs that would be created

Tax collectors getting 45,000.00 severance packages for switching job titles from provincial to federal

Two ministries under an OPP criminal investigation - ORNGE and gas plant scandals

Pharmacy war

Illegal green taxes

Increased smart meter, electricity, hydro, tuition and car insurance costs

Implemented tire tax, electronics tax, eco fee, health premium (tax), WSIB tax increase, HST, beer surtax

Failing grade on ADHD education

Ranking the lowest of all provinces for fiscal performance

Delisting eye exams, physiotherapy, chiropractic care, diabetic strips, etc.

Increasing wait time for cataract surgery

No longer covered for eye exams yet taxpayers paying for sex changes

Wait time for nursing home bed tripled

Failure to disclose elevated radiation levels

OES missed its collection and recycling targets by 59%

Not correcting the foreign ownership of our beer market

Acceptance of garbage striker extortion

Harassing labour inspectors

Kowtowing to green energy lobbies

Imposing blood alcohol rules that punish people who are not impaired

Public utilities donating to Liberals

Voting to cover up the Niagara Parks Commission scandal

Emergency room wait times not meeting provincial targets

Put on notice by Standard and Poor, credit rating downgraded, under a very serious credit watch

Have-not province for the first time in Canadian history

Borrowing more debt than any province except NB

Dramatic cuts in health care services in schools

Nurses getting bonuses despite a wage freeze

Insufficient senior homecare services

Failing grade of Family Responsibility Office

Abstained from vote to investigate CBC expenses

Cash kickback scheme involving government cleaning contracts

Talked about a two-year freeze on wages for public sector while previously giving the OPP a 5% wage increase - the OPP received another raise of over 8% in January, 2014

Energy now unaffordable yet we must pay Quebec and some north-eastern States to take our surplus energy

Encouraging farmers to build small-scale solar projects but having no way to connect them to the power grid

Laid up in US hospital beds as no beds available in Ontario

Refusing public inquiry into G20 fiasco

Giving those who hire only newcomers a 10,000.00 tax credit

Third highest user of food banks

Announced pay freezes knowing that 38,000 were getting a 3% salary increase after the election

Hiding hospital errors from the public

Teachers skipping classes to assist with anti-Conservative campaign

Failing grade in northern forestry management

Almost 40 C. difficile deaths to date

Loss of 6,500 cancer patient health records

Highest rent increase rate in years

Ignoring evidence that wind turbines can cause poor health

Workers at eHealth suing for not receiving bonuses

Liam denied eye care that another child is receiving under OHIP

Ontarians pleading for their lives or dying because they aren’t getting the health care they need

Lady with a brain tumor denied help to cover costs which costs are covered in Manitoba

Electricity rates to rise 42% over five years

Prior loss of 60,000 jobs in the horse racing industry – now attempting to correct this

Presto

Ring of Fire

Cleaning kick-back scheme that ended with the conviction of three persons (two of whom were employed by Wynne’s ministry at the time …)

AND finally . . If elected Wynne wants to raise the gasoline tax by 10 cents per litre to help pay for Toronto's Transit system upgrades.

 
"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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@pierrelebel wrote:

Basically, about one third of the population wants a right wing administration (Hudak at Queen's Park, Harper in Ottawa) while two thirds does not.  However, that majority of voters is divided among several parties (Liberal, NDP, Green).

 

If that majority divides its votes, the right wing party takes power.

 


Precisely what right-wing and redneck parties have relied upon for generations -- remember a guy named Hitler?

 

Maybe there's a need for the "AOTA" (All Of The Above) party of the left to pull together all that majority mass vote.  President Obama in the U.S. had another strategy -- tap all the previously uncharted and disenchanted voters who otherwise wouldn't come to the polls.  There is a large sector in any western democratic country that sits out every election.  Somebody needs to figure out how to motivate that demographic.

 

Sorry to barge into this discussion.  Although I'm a happy Bluenoser now, and spent many years in the land of B.C. (= "Bring Cash") I was born and raised an Ontarian, and still take a vital interest in what goes on in my former home province. 

 

By the way guys -- when is the election?

 

 

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Thursday June 12th

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NDP is the only person who touched base on things most important to me . People say 8% of a hydro bill is very little well when the company paying my pay check has to pay 80-$100,000 less every month for hydro that is good for me and my job security..

 

It doesn't work that way, at least not for the people that you work for. The company that you work for recovers the HST when they do an HST remittance.

The only way for the company that you work for to save money on the hydro bill is for Ontario Hydro to roll back hydro rates.

 

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"to save money on the hydro bill is for Ontario Hydro to roll back hydro rates."

 

... and that will NOT happen, regardless which party forms the government.

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I love how the OPP are making attack ads and telling voters who and who not to vote for.

Isn't that a repeat of what happened in Germany during the 1930s?

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Ya I know pierrie filled me in on the HST things already but just the HST is not my point . .My point is Hydro rates period is the biggest issue in Ontario ... Ontario live of industries ...

 

The price went up for many reason but some having to do with Choices the political parties made so if they are partial at fault for the increase why can they now be the reason for a decrease ?

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As far is the facts go I would like to see specfics as in how many Good paying jobs were made .. I mean the type of jobs where people don't have to work 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs to survive...

 

It mean it alright o have 5000 Burgers flipping jobs but that doesn't make up for the 1000 Well paying jobs that can actually support a family ...

 

I think yur right in the fact but I think the facts l;eave out detail needed to know if the economy is actually headed in the direction that families can make a living well still actually living or if were replacing Well paying jobs with a bunch of burger flipping coffee pouring gas pumpig jobs

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Your good paying jobs are moving to Asia.

We should have huge tariffs on anything made outside of Canada if the people making them do so without complying to our employment and environmental laws.

 

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Asia is far from the only place our good jobs are going .. The US,Quebec ....

 

I literally just went through everything with a fine tooth comb and my final decision is For NDP or Hudak ...

 

Although Hudaks promise makes him seem like a snake because it is outrageous I honestly think the worst thing that can happen is liberals gain power .....

 

I have went over everything and I do not see much of anything in the way of liberals doing any good for Ontario for a long time now ...

 

Hudak only has 1 bad agenda other then that the rest of what the guys says makes sense ... Any company like the ones leaving ontario I making cuts to save that is how it has to be done ... Hudak is not just targeting Police and health care he is also talking about killing some Overpaid policital goverment jobs ... The guy does make sense other then his 100 million jobs plans...

 

i still stand by NDP but at this point it is looking pointless to vote for them and even though yesterday and the last few weeks I went with Liberals I finally took the time to go back through the last about 10 years and Liberals have really killed Ontario no ifs and or butts ...

 

I mean as we speak Unions money is going into attack adds against Hudak .. LAst time I checked people don't pay unions to put up millions in attack adds for campaigns for the interest of the people whom are paying the bill ...

 

This has only been my second time voting and I honestlly just started paying attention to politics in the last 5 years so I am far from s educated on the situation as people like Pierre and others but I have read between the lines an through all the BS and other then NDP Hudak is the only one who is going to make anything cheaper...

 

IF I am wrong can someone tell me anything the Liberals plan on doing that will make the cost of living and doing business in Ontario better and easier ? I don't really see anything major

 

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http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/ontario.html

 

The poles proves what I have been feeling ... GTA is the reason liberals are winning .... Toronto and the 905 area .... Everywhere else in Ontario is voting Hudak ..

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Here is the best thing I can find to explain my NOW stance on all of this ..

 

Perhaps the question should be, “Who should not win the Ontario election and why?” To anyone who has been following the news over the past 10 years and cares about Ontario, the answer is — the Liberals.  Remember — eHealth, OLG, Ornge, OPG, health tax, gas-plant closures to save seats, attempts to cover up mistakes, achieving the highest deficit ever in Ontario, being currently under criminal investigation. Kathleen Wynne and her party have run a wasteful, incompetent and scandal-plagued government

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 for a decade. Can the PCs or NDP do better? I don’t think they could do worse.

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"I don’t think they could do worse."

 

That is what voters in Ontario did in 1995 electing Mike Harris. 

 

Now most of us know : yes, it can be worst.  Hudak is Harris Jr.

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It's worth repeating a vote for any other party except the Liberals or Conservatives is a wasted vote and serves only to split the vote thereby creating the possibility of electing a minority government. Of course if you want more of the same as the last 8 years by all means vote Liberal. That leaves only one sensible choice to clean up the Liberal mess, vote Conservative.

"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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I love the anti Hudak attack ads.

They only confirm my belief that we have to get rid of the Liberals and NDP.

While I believe that Hudak's numbers are off and that he is a mean spirited little man.

I hope he makes those behind the attack ads against him pay.

 

 

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"I love the anti Hudak attack ads."

 

I do not.  Against Hudak or anyone else.

 

From my perspective, "personal attack ads" should not be allowed in Canada.  Americans enjoy these things - fine for them.

 

If you want to get elected, tell me why I should vote for you, not why I should not vote for the other guy or gal.

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I agree with you Pierre, but I suspect the third party attack ads are going to backfire.

Imo there should be absolutely no third party political ads.

If you support a party.

Give them the money.

If you don't trust them with the money.

Then they really aren't the people that you really want now are they?

 

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The worse part about some of these attack adds are Unions are you use not mine but OUR union dues to pay for them.....

 

Now I have take Liberals of my radar and realize Voting NDP would most likely be a waste of a vote I have a hard time Keeping my mind set that way because if that is how we continue to think then not much will ever really change...

 

Mike Harris did mess everything up but I can';t vote knowing 100% I am going to have my money go down the drain but I can vote knowing there might be a 10% chance my money doesn't go down the drain..

 

I do not really like Hudak and not big on Conservatives but the liberals just can't win this election which would be why I may swing my vote to Hudak but not easily it do not take comfort in voting Hudak I just can't rap my mind around voting liberals....

 

What I would like to do is Go in and decline my vote which would not make a change but would atleast be counted as a vote for change ...

 

I will not be doing that this year but I would urge anyone not woting to atleast go in and decline your vote as it is the only way to be active without voting for what you feel is 100% lies and a waste ...Last election only 49.2% of population voted so that other 50.8% should go decline to voting letting the Goverment know they want change other then just sitting on your couch complaining and have no oice other then the one you hear echoing in your empy livingroom

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Kathleen Wynne snubs Toronto Sun columnist Christina Blizzard

 

Toronto - First Bob Rae — now Kathleen Wynne.

They’re the only two premiers I’ve covered who’ve turned me down for a personal interview.

Rae led an embattled NDP government heading in to the 1995 election. I never did get the interview with him.

Wynne not only turned me down for my “tea with Christina,” series with the party leaders.

She wouldn’t even come in to the Toronto Sun for an editorial board — as the other two leaders did.

So much for her “consulting.” Clearly she doesn’t want to talk with people who might want to hold her to account.

She was only too happy to sit down for tea during the Liberal leadership campaign, when she needed some profile.

It leaves me no choice. In the absence of a one-on-one interview, I’ll have to imagine how it might have gone.

Me: “So, premier, what do you like to do in your spare time?”

Wynne: “Well, I like to run. Surely, you’ve seen me running every day since I became premier.

“I’ve run from the gas plant scandal. I’ve run from the scandal in which e-mails were deleted by former staffers in Dalton McGuinty’s office in an alleged attempt to cover that up.

“And, of course, I’ve been running from Ornge, where we wasted millions of dollars and caused people to die in the horrific failed air ambulance privatization scheme.

“And I’m running from two criminal OPP investigations. So I do keep in shape.”

Me: Why um, yes, premier. You’re certainly a moving target.

“Here’s a safe question: What’s your favourite movie?

Wynne: “Oh, that’s easy. Thelma and Louise. It reminds me of my relationship with Andrea Horwath over the last couple of years as she propped up my corrupt government.

“Two broads on the lam with a trunkload of cash. It doesn’t get much better than that.”

Me: “Why yes, premier. I do see the similarity. But they end up driving off a cliff together ... If you lose this election, can you commit to that?”

Wynne: “I’ll have to consult — but one black hole is very much like another when it comes to tax dollars.”

Me: “Thank you premier.”

Me: “Any other movies?”

Wynne: ”Yes, I like the Marx Brothers.”

Me: “Oh, you mean like Groucho and Harpo?’

Wynne: “No, I mean like Karl.”

Me: “Yes, I’ve noticed you’ve taken the party to the left. So what else do you do in your spare time, premier?”

Wynne: “I like to cancel power plants. I did that during the last campaign, you know. It cost a lot of money but I got enormous satisfaction from doing so. I love the smell of burning tax dollars in the morning.”

Me: “Er, yes, well thank you for that. More tea?”

Wynne: “Thank you.”

Me: “Moving right along, Kathleen. What’s your favourite book?”

Wynne: “Well, I’ve always been very partial to Grimm’s Fairy Tales. I’ve found it extraordinarily helpful explaining scandals. And you’d be surprised how much of it I can incorporate into a budget. And people still believe you. Go figure. There’s a sucker born every minute, you know. And I think I can get all of them to vote Liberal.”

Me: “I notice you’ve changed your style lately. Softer colours, more skirts. Have you found a new designer?”

Wynne: “Why, yes I did. Thank you for noticing. I needed bigger back pockets. I had to accommodate all those union leaders who are putting their members’ dues into this campaign.”

Me: “Anything else I haven’t asked, Premier?”

Wynne: “Well, I’d like to apologize for not scrapping any gas plants this election. I know it’s breaking with tradition. I had thought of scrapping one of our nukes, but the OPP insisted I had to keep my hands off until they’ve finished their probe of the last scandal. Party poopers!”

ME: “Um, thank you premier.

“I do so much appreciate your time today — or not

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I find that funny coming from anyone in Toronto because if it was not for Toronto the Liberals would not stand a chance but because Toronto thinks they are Ontario they vote for there city and not for there province ..

 

VOTE FOR CHANGE  NOT FOR TORONTO

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