07-22-2011 06:41 PM
Here's the deal., I'm trying to re-vamp what I call my LPFP (Lowest Price for Profit) chart and figure out my new listing (Buy It Now) prices. I will provide my costs on the items I'm just hoping someone would be willing to calculate the rest (fees etc) and come up with a number for me. Thanks in advance 😄
07-22-2011 06:57 PM
Not me.
http://www.peacetothenations.org/ebay/illustrator2011/index.html
07-22-2011 07:20 PM
"Lowest Price for Profit"
If I may...
Your cost should not come into the equation at this time. You need to set your selling price based on the value of the item to the buyer and market conditions.
If an item generally sells online for $25 and the market is relatively strong with sales by your competitors in that price range on a regular basis, your selling price needs to be in the $22-$25 range. Whatever your cost is, that factor is irrelevant in setting up your selling price.
If you paid $30 for it and need to make a profit after adding your fees, etc... You will never succeed.
If you paid $5 for it, count your blessings and sell it the the $22-$25 range just the same. Too often we find sellers on eBay (and elsewhere) selling at prices way below market because they were fortunate to acquire the item at a low cost. They are wasting their potential profit. All sellers need those "fat profit" items from time to time to pay for things that do not work out.
If you have a large quantity of the same item, then "turnover" comes into account. How often do you want to sell an item and how many will the market absorb in a given period of time. Once again, that has nothing to do with your cost or expenses.
To do your calculations properly, first determine the appropriate selling price, then deduct your cost of the item, then your selling expenses (eBay listing fees, FVF, store fees if applicable, PayPal fees, conversion fees, shipping subsidy if applicable, etc.).
The FVF rate depends on the type of products you sell (different categories attract different rates), how you sell (FVF on auction is different from fixed price) and whether you have a store or not (different fee schedules apply).
In general terms, if you sell low priced items (under $5) you should consider your eBay/PayPal fees to be in the neighbourhood of 20%/30%.
The higher the selling price, the lower the percentage paid in fees.
A $3 item at fixed price will cost only $0.05 to list if you have a Premium store (49.95 month). If you list 1,000 items a month, that works out to $0.05 per listing.
FVF on $3 may average 11% or $0.33 (rate varies by category).
The fee on PayPal will average 6% including conversion fee plus $0.30 per transaction for a total of $0.48.
All above assumes your shipping costs are fully recovered by charging the buyer whatever your shipping and packaging costs are including a - unmentioned - handling fee to cover fees)
So on a $3 item you have $0.10 listing and store, $0.33 FVF and $0.48 PayPal for a total of $0.91 or 30%.
Now, repeat the same set of calculations using $6 selling price, $10 selling price and $25 selling price.
Once you have the basic calculations taken care of, you need to add an estimate for your "sell thru" rate. For example, if it takes you two and half months to sell an item (turnover of 5 times a year), you need to add $0.10 listing fees (2 extra months at $0.05). If a large percentage of your business goes overseas you need to factor the PayPal 1% cross border fee somewhere, etc... etc...
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HE WHO BUYS RIGHT.... SELLS RIGHT !
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Good Luck.
07-25-2011 12:55 AM
If you paid $5 for it, count your blessings and sell it the the $22-$25 range just the same. Too often we find sellers on eBay (and elsewhere) selling at prices way below market because they were fortunate to acquire the item at a low cost. They are wasting their potential profit. All sellers need those "fat profit" items from time to time to pay for things that do not work out.
A big AMEN to that one Pierre!
07-25-2011 01:54 PM
Agreed!
I have competitors for example selling items that I know cost them 350 dollars, for 380 dollars all the time. By the time they pay their expenses, they are losing money. Something like that should sell for a minimum of 450-550 to make any decent profit at all. They are wasting their time and losing money...I believe some sellers think they are doing "well" just by selling some of their items day to day. But if they were to analyze what they paid for it, and add in their time and expenses, they would see that they they are making nothing! And some sellers in the above example even offer free shipping, which means they lose even more money.
I'm not in this for fun, as I'm sure most of you are not either. If you are in doubt on your prices, check out your competiton, and see what they are selling it for. If they are selling just above cost, then:
A. You will have to sell at a similar price just to move the item = losing money, no profit and a huge waste of your time. Most eBay buyers today spend lots of time reseaching before they buy, and will almost always choose the lowest priced item.
B. Stop selling that item! Find other products that have a higher profit ratio. Clear out the slow stuff or stuff that makes you no money via auctions or sale prices, and use that to put towards new stock with better profit margins.
AXE
07-25-2011 02:09 PM
Good advice, Axe, but that is not always the case. I still sell lots of items which are priced a great deal higher than the competition, and often outsell them. Buyers find you in different ways and they don't always trust the sellers who sell too low or constantly change prices and shipping up & down.
I research sellers before I buy and stay away from those who are not consistent in their practices. It does not instill confidence in me that they know what the actual value of the product. Instead it makes me think they are just "guessing" and I look elsewhere.
07-25-2011 02:23 PM
Oh yes, Western, absolutely there are many exceptions to the rule, but nowadays people do look for the best deal possible. I was speaking more about similar sellers with similar feedback & practises, etc, that the buyer would "usually" select the cheaper price between the two. But, of course that is not always the case. I just sold a 650 dollar item to a USA buyer, that is clearly advertised by several sellers in the USA for 550! Plus they had to 50 dollars shipping through us, and will have to pay duty etc as well, whereas if they had bought from the US seller, they would have gotten free shipping and no duty! Makes me really wonder...so yes, there are still many buyers out there that wont take their time when they are shopping, but in these times of financial uncertainty, I do believe that "most" are looking for deals.
AXE
07-26-2011 11:26 AM
There are those who believe that the higher the price the higher the quality.
Usually, but not always, true.
07-26-2011 06:40 PM
If two sellers had the same item and one had about 100% feedback and the other about 98% feedback and the 100% feedback person's price was (a little) more, I would buy from the "better" dealer - usually I check out their feedback causing the non-100% to see what happened. I have specifically avoided sellers that don't react well to problems.
07-26-2011 07:20 PM
It is very interesting to see the different prices for items . Some are priced more than they should be and some are priced way below that they should be and those are usually the bargins!