Canada Post Ordered Back To Work Pending Approval From CIRB

https://x.com/stevenmackinnon/status/1867588692560531609

 

The Labour Minister Steve MacKinnon invoked his authorities under the Canadian Labour Code to request that the CIRB (Canadian Industrial Relations Board) order Canada Post back to work and extend the terms of their current collective bargaining agreement. 

 

This does not require a vote, instead the CIRB has to agree that an agreement between both parties under the current circumstances is unlikely. There was some speculation the last week or so that this might happen since it is an avenue to force Canada Post back without requiring a vote in Parliament. 

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I recieved Lettermail the Thursday after they were back (one was an ebay order), and then Friday as well (Bills lol).

 

Still waiting ona  new credit card to arrive, not even sure if the bank mailed it or not.

 

My dad recieved something he ordered from China in Middle/late August that he was shocked came, so that was nice. It had cleared in Vancouver in like October. I had noticed slow downs of mail in Late September/early October on some stuff I had mailed out, but all that stuff had arrived before the strike.

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I got just 2 of my USA items delivered so far.  Still waiting for 4 USA items stuck. Still saying in transit to destination country and no tracking update. One shipped Nov 1st too. I'm guessing when the USA stopped accepting mail to Canada, all mail en route to Canada stopped as well.

The USPS announced Dec 23 they are still not accepting mail to Canada, maybe another week yet.  And a Ebay seller from Germany I buy from says looks like Jan 2nd will be the first day he will be able to send to me with Germany post.

Mail shipments from US to Canada remain suspended - Sault Ste. Marie News (sootoday.com)

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USPS is accepting new Canada Post mail. I have an item that I sent on December 23rd. It is already moving through USPS sorting centers. 

 

I have three different batches of Tracked Packet items dropped off in 3 different boxes (one picked up by my local mailman) and there are no scans at all. So that tells you it's a very YMMV proposition. 

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Other countries are accepting mail FROM Canada.  But it is hit and miss which countries are accepting mail TO Canada.   Seems almost nobody is at the moment, despite CP removing the restriction on the 23rd.  

All countries may have backlogs of Canada bound packages sitting with them that they want to clear first before they will accept more Canada bound mail.

 

Of my 4 packages incoming from Germany, still none have had a single tracking update.  And i still have not received a single piece of mail or even junk mail....although my letter carrier did come to my building on the 24th, for the first time since the strike ended,  but he walked right past my door and delivered nothing to me, even though i am waiting for several pieces of mail.

 

I have read on a couple of Reddit boards that CP has not been offering any overtime to workers since the strike ended and has cut back on seasonal workers, so backlogs are clearing more slowlly as a result of the reduced manhours.  Don't know if that is reliable info but i have read it several times posted by several different posters.

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Yeah, I'm in the same boat. The two remaining US orders show no update since mid November, last scanned in Chicago. Got two more overseas orders, so down to 4 in total, still with no ETA.

By the way, a seller from Spain cancelled an order I placed just before Christmas, indicating that Correos de España, their post office, is still not accepting packages to Canada, due to the "ongoing strike disruption". I'm not sure if that's the same for other European mail services.
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@john_koenig99 wrote:

By the way, a seller from Spain cancelled an order I placed just before Christmas, indicating that Correos de España, their post office, is still not accepting packages to Canada, due to the "ongoing strike disruption". I'm not sure if that's the same for other European mail services.

I had an order from the UK cancelled for the same reason.  I suspect most postal services are going off the same playbook as USPS and waiting until the new year before considering sending mail over here.

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Despite Canada Post saying that mail would be cleared on a "first in first out" basis, that appears to not be the case, although I'm not sure exactly why. The carriers in my area have very little being sorted for them to deliver, and from what I'm seeing this is a recurring theme amongst depots across the country. I'm not sure exactly where the bottleneck is occurring, but I assume it's at the major processing/sortation plants - they might just be understaffed or suffering due to Canada Post's current limits on working overtime. At the post office I work at we're receiving maybe a handful of parcels per day that were carded for pick-up, when I would expect significantly more considering the backlogs being touted by Canada Post. I'm talking like maybe 10-20% of the usual volume I experience in the dead of summer.

 

My random observations are that any parcels currently being mailed are moving fairly smoothly with limited delay. Lettermail isn't going as fast, which includes Registered Lettermail, so this likely indicates prioritizing parcels over letters. Domestic items mailed just before or during the strike (dropped in a mailbox, for example), are moving a lot slower or not moving at all. Many inbound international items destined for Canada mailed after Nov 15 are MIA - I assume there is a huge backlog lof items at customs that is taking a long time to get transferred over to Canada Post.

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which includes Registered Lettermail, so this likely indicates prioritizing parcels over letters.

 

Any observations on Expedited letters in branded envelopes?

 

inbound international items destined for Canada mailed after Nov 15 are MIA - I assume there is a huge backlog lof items at customs

Some US sellers are reporting that USPS is still not accepting /or shipping parcels destined for Canada.

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

 

Some US sellers are reporting that USPS is still not accepting /or shipping parcels destined for Canada.


Well, that seems to be in line with the USPS December 23rd Service Alert that stated pretty much that the situation was still being monitored and it would likely be a couple weeks or so before mail to Canada would start being accepted again.

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I think, for lettermail vs parcels, it's because it is less impacting for them, PR wise, to process the items with tracking first. That's what customers sees directly with their own eyes. By processing them first, they calm down a lot of people having an eye on the process.

 

For lettermail, people already know it's slow. There's no way to know where or when it will arrive. That's a good buffer for them.

 

I personnally think the bottleneck is with the international incoming packages stucked at custom. By striking during the holidays and because the USA and other countries took their sweet time before refusing to ship to Canada, the backlog there must be enormous. There's also maybe a backlog in the sending countries? Pair this with the holiday's vacations... and that would expain.

 

I might be wrong, but that would be logical.

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@dinomitesales wrote:

Despite Canada Post saying that mail would be cleared on a "first in first out" basis, that appears to not be the case, although I'm not sure exactly why. The carriers in my area have very little being sorted for them to deliver, and from what I'm seeing this is a recurring theme amongst depots across the country. I'm not sure exactly where the bottleneck is occurring, but I assume it's at the major processing/sortation plants - they might just be understaffed or suffering due to Canada Post's current limits on working overtime. At the post office I work at we're receiving maybe a handful of parcels per day that were carded for pick-up, when I would expect significantly more considering the backlogs being touted by Canada Post. I'm talking like maybe 10-20% of the usual volume I experience in the dead of summer.

 

My random observations are that any parcels currently being mailed are moving fairly smoothly with limited delay. Lettermail isn't going as fast, which includes Registered Lettermail, so this likely indicates prioritizing parcels over letters. Domestic items mailed just before or during the strike (dropped in a mailbox, for example), are moving a lot slower or not moving at all. Many inbound international items destined for Canada mailed after Nov 15 are MIA - I assume there is a huge backlog lof items at customs that is taking a long time to get transferred over to Canada Post.


@dinomitesales 

@chicweb 

I'm up to a grand total of 3 pcs of junk mail in 9 days since back to work order was given. Have yet to see any of the flyers that used to showed up like clock work. I know there should have been a few bills in the mail I should have gotten by now. When I have spotted my postal person recently (community mail boxes) he appears to be wayyyyyy behind schedule.

 

Regarding the late bills is it going to be a situation of why didn't you pay vs why didn't you mail blame game for anyone late with paying? Do most people still pay on receipt, auto withdrawl or depending on their budget? Will really depend on your personal financial situation. Personally I have never/will never be a fan of option 2.

 

Totally it is most likely with the parcels getting priority. They take up the most room, are the PR nightmare and the sooner they are out of sight, out of mind with CP the sooner everything else will get back to somewhat normal. It may also be possible that mail to businesses may be getting priority treatment vs mail joe and judy q public. 

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my own personal experience is mirroring your observations.   Of my 4 inbound international packages, one finally moved and it was the most recent one  sent, arriving in Canada on Nov 30.   It went through customs a few days ago....so i don't think anything is stuck in customs per se.....packages are probably being held in some storage facilities by CP awaiting processing....the first step of which is to send them to customs.

 

It make sense to me that they are NOT being processed in a first recieved, first processed order as that is probably impossible as more recent packages will be stacked in front of the older ones, makng them inaccessible until the more recent ones are processed.

 

And still no letter mail, despite expecting a few pieces.

 

The inbound package to me did get processed very quickly once it moved and should be here Monday....4 days processing time total  The flat rate box i sent from Toronto to a small town in Sask. arrived very quickly as well,  9 days.  Could have been 6 but it wasn't delivered Christmas Eve as it was marked to be.

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

which includes Registered Lettermail, so this likely indicates prioritizing parcels over letters.

 

Any observations on Expedited letters in branded envelopes?

 

inbound international items destined for Canada mailed after Nov 15 are MIA - I assume there is a huge backlog lof items at customs

Some US sellers are reporting that USPS is still not accepting /or shipping parcels destined for Canada.


The XpressPost or Expedited "letters" in the branded envelopes are treated as parcels, so I haven't observd any significant delay in those provided they were mailed after the 17th. The majority of what we've been receiving at the post office are actually these items - mostly passports from the passport office (which makes sense because they've been holding them since Nov 8th apparently), and notices that are sent out via Certified Mail (Expedited) from our local car insurance agency here in Manitoba.

 

Yes, USPS is still not accepting mail for Canada, it's stated on their Service Alerts page. They indicated on Dec 23 that they hope to begin accepting mail for Canada again "within the next two weeks".

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@fergua3 wrote:

my own personal experience is mirroring your observations.   Of my 4 inbound international packages, one finally moved and it was the most recent one  sent, arriving in Canada on Nov 30.   It went through customs a few days ago....so i don't think anything is stuck in customs per se.....packages are probably being held in some storage facilities by CP awaiting processing....the first step of which is to send them to customs.


Yeah, I don't think anything is currently being delayed by customs themselves, but as you've indicated there's certainly a bottleneck going from customs to Canada Post. I can't even imagine the amount of piled up parcels that must exist that have been processed by customs but were unable to be handed over to Canada Post. I don't know where they were storing them, but there's gotta be warehouses and trucks and trailers full of the stuff.

 

Anything being cleared through customs now is going to take a long time to eventually get delivered as it's going to be at the very back of that backlog.

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Have yet to see any of the flyers that used to showed up like clock work.

 

It would surprise me if any business would send out or even print up any flyers until they were sure they would reach the customer in a timely manner.

I haven't seen many either, except for one of those bundled ones from local businesses, which are not about time-limited sales. 

 

 

I know there should have been a few bills in the mail I should have gotten by now.

I've received two bills, one overdue on arrival and one about two weeks later than usual but two weeks before payment required.

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@dinomitesales 

 

Have any CPO employees mentioned working overtime or have you seen any 'casuals' being hired on to help clear the backlog?

 

I know Canada Post has a roster of casual and temp workers who are called in as needed. They were part of the union demands- that those workers get the same benefits as full timers.

The names on the roster can be there for years.

I know of one guy who, hoping to get on with Canada Post, worked with his dad as a realtor for at least five years, since the CPO paid better and had a pension.

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@dinomitesales wrote:

 

Yes, USPS is still not accepting mail for Canada, it's stated on their Service Alerts page. They indicated on Dec 23 that they hope to begin accepting mail for Canada again "within the next two weeks".


Yeah, same thing with Australia Post. They say that they are "monitoring the situation daily" and are hoping to restart service "as soon as possible". What a mess. 

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the backlog isn't exiting customs.  When parcels come to Canada via the postal system they go to Canada Post first, then CP hands them over to customs.  During the strike the packages still went to CP first but they were stored instead of handed over....i assume management employees were in charge of arranging storage.    Weeks worth of packages piled up, somewhere, and once the strike ended then they started to be handed over to customs, almost certainly on a last in first out basis....the 2 packages i have now had processed are the most recent and the second most recent sent.   The oldest packages still have not been processed.

 

The 2 packages i'va had processed entered and exited customs very quickly and were then processed by Canada Post within an hour and 'in transit' within a couple of hours or so.    

 

 

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One more of my packages from the USA has updated that was shipped Nov 21 but sent with Ebay standard delivery. (and not ebay international shipping) Cleared customs and was in Toronto Dec 28th and arrived here to Sask. on Dec 29th so probably delivered tomorrow.  One of my other items shipped Nov 1st still not updated from in transit.  And things I've bought recently are moving through.  It's those items right in the middle that are stuck somewhere.

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 A purchase I made that was shipped via Lettermail on December 17 (the day postal workers went back to work) from Toronto (about a 2.5 hour drive away) arrived today, thirteen days later. Things are definitely not yet back to normal.

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