Religious leaders battle Manitoba anti-bully bill

More religious leaders have joined opposition to Manitoba’s proposed anti-bullying law, saying religious schools must not be forced to accommodate groups that promote equality for gays and lesbians.


“Orthodox Judaism believes in the sanctity of the Bible that rejects homosexuality, as do other great religions,” reads a letter to Premier Greg Selinger by Rabbi Avrohom Altein of Winnipeg. “It would be the height of intolerance to ban a religious group from teaching and practising as it believes.”


Bill 18 is aimed at preventing bullying in schools and promoting equality based on gender, race, sexual orientation and other factors. A section that would require schools to allow gay-straight alliance groups if students wished to establish them has drawn the most criticism.


The bill has already come under fire in Steinbach, a small city with a strong Mennonite population. About 1,200 people attended a recent meeting in opposition to the proposed legislation. A similar bill caused controversy last year in Ontario when Catholic church leaders said it would compromise their religious freedom. It passed last June.


Mr. Altein’s letter was released on Friday by Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge, along with letters from Muslim, Sikh and Coptic leaders. Mr. Bruinooge said “a very wide group of faith communities” opposes the bill. However, some pastors and ministers have publicly stated they support it.


Education Minister Nancy Allan said Friday she will not back down. “We know clearly that young people need to be protected in this particular area. We know clearly that young people who are gay have higher rates of depression and mental health issues, they talk about suicide, they are harassed and bullied,” she said.


Ms. Allan said a gay-straight alliance is simply a venue in which students can share their feelings and get support. “You’re just providing a space for young people to talk.” But Mr. Altein said a gay-straight alliance would be the same as a group demanding non-kosher food in school. “It would be wrong for a student of an Orthodox Jewish school to demand the right to eat a lunch of non-kosher food such as pork. It would be even more disrespectful for students to form an official group within the Jewish religious school to advocate for the ‘right’ to eat pork.”


A letter from Ismael Mukhtar, president of the Manitoba Islamic Association, said Bill 18 “infringes on our constitutionally protected right of freedom of religion.” The debate over the bill will come to a head in the spring, when a legislature committee holds public hearings on the legislation.


Liberal Leader Jon Gerrard, who holds the party’s only seat in the legislature, has yet to take a position on the bill.


“I personally believe that gay-straight alliances are a good thing, but I’m ready to listen to people who want to make a case on whichever side at the committee stage,” he said.


“And I think it’s important to be open to people and to get input.”


 


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This is only the tip of an albeit very huge iceberg!


 


Religious leaders don't have a monopoly on allowing bullying that they consider justified or legitimate peer pressure or pressure tactics to coerce people to behave against their own conscience or preference.


 


I have been noticing many cases lately where someone with the power just decides to use it to force someone else to comply to their demands.


 


I believe that the more bullying gets exposed, the more some people are going to realize that they themselves are bullies.

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Children aren't born bullies, they are taught it by their teachers....parents, religious leaders, school teachers etc etc. As far as I am concerned the problem isn't religious freedom, it's religious persecution and any religion that promotes it should be told to change or leave the country. It's hate mongering with an invisible god's permission and until there is proof that the god exists then no religion has any legitimacy anymore than a used car dealer.





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I second that prior ... Don't even have to write anything that was so well put ...

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I third Prior's post.


Look at the new pope how he condemns how Argentina treats it's poor, but his church protects pedophiles.


Imo you don't have the right to criticize others until you get your own house in order.

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This Pope is getting touted as progressive because he wants to allow the Baptism of children born out of wedlock.


 


OMG................. kinda makes yo' wanna gag!

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In the Catholic church all that is required is for the priest to believe the child will be brought up as a Catholic or in Christianity. However is some areas the priests have made their own 'rules' because the Vatican of the past has been very hazy about the exactness of this practice. The new Pope is just making it more clear.





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I see............ still bizarre that it should ever have been an issue anywhere ever or at all.


 


I grew up going to a Catholic school and when I see threads like this it always gets my attention.


 


Those people taught us to HATE all others.


 


We fought with the Protestants at the "Other" school and felt justified in doing so.


There was always the feeling that there was something very wrong with "them."


 


It hit me around Grade 4 that there was something very wrong with the things they were teaching us, and it sounds like they're still at it.


 

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Ya, Manitoba is a farming community...


Most people aren't adjusted to the knew ways of acceptance for others. Especially older / religious people


 


I think this bill needs to happen as bullying does occur and happens regularly in the Winnipeg school system. But, I also (though my opinion) think kids need to man up and face their attackers as most will back down.

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I have always felt the best way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them..Whether you get beat up or not bullies want easy targets so if you stand up 1 time or maybe a few times the bully will move on because bullies want people who won't fight back at all .....


 


I stood up to all the bullies in school all the time and it was always for my friends because I was one of those cool with everyone guys . My best friends were the cool guys but I was really close to the ones being bullied too ..


 


I actually faught a good friend of mine about 3 times in my life stopping him from bullying on of my other buddies.. FYI I Won all 3 fights and he never picked on any of those guys again after the 3rd time..


 


Bullies are for the most part weak and only pick on the really weak .. Not always the case though there was 1 bully growing up that I faught about 10 times and get my butt handed to me about 5 of those times he was a tough bully but I was just a tough nice guy again the bullied moved on ....


 


The best way to stop bullying is not always the right away and knockin em out sometimes is the only way ... I don't think violence is good for much but I strongly believe that teaching your children to run cry and tattle tail is not going to help anything at all but only make things worse...


 


CHECK OUT BULLY BEATDOWN THATS AWESOME

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If anyone can recall a time where crying to the principle stopped a bully feel free to prove me wrong on my theory LOL

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It hit me around Grade 4 that there was something very wrong with the things they were teaching us, and it sounds like they're still at it.


 


I too am a Catholic school survivor. It hit me though about grade 7. We had a poor family in the parish. Good people, hard workers, very dedicated to not only work but to the church. At school we use to collect clothes for the kids (there were 8 in the family). One day at mass I remember looking at those kids (the ones younger than me) wearing old clothes that had been collected and mittens that did not match and down the isle was a man wearing gold trimmed vestments and holding a gold chalice or monstrance at an elaborate altar in an elaborate and expensive building with his new Cadillac parked in the driveway of his home which had a housekeeper and a gardener and a private cook and he represented a lie. I said to myself...........there is something definetly wrong here!


 


and face their attackers as most will back down


 


I hated it when they backed down. Took all the fun out of the lessons.


 


 


 





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I have always felt the best way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them


 


My first school was a public school. No problems. When we moved I ended up at a new school. You're not easily accepted in a new school, especially if they have their own little cliques. My grandmother knew what I was like and she asked me to do nothing because it was not only new school but a Catholic school and she was very religious. So I backed off from my regular self. I took the insults and the ganging up, but one day enough was enough. Two kids Julian Ferigi and Keith Findlay were the leaders and they paid for it. Findlay I took care of at school on the basketball court, he still has the scar today. Ferigi I took care off after school on the way home in front of Eds Variety store. Never had a problem after that. Although I understood where my grandmother was coming from with the religious thing I still had to do what I had to do. That's the way I have always been since and I won't change. Interestingly, when she found out about the two other kids I remember I was in the kitchen when she got the call from school. I thought I was due for a lecture. Instead she said nothing, just gave me a pat on the back and went on to her cooking.





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I too am a Catholic school survivor. It hit me though about grade 7. 


 


 


 



 


By the time I got to Grade 7 the priests were chasing the girls around and pinning them in the church basement ............. 


 


Maybe little boys too but the girls are the ones I remember.

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By the time I got to Grade 7 the priests were chasing the girls around and pinning them in the church basement ............. 


 


Maybe little boys too but the girls are the ones I remember.



 


 


 


LOL,and those girls all had prescriptions for oral contraceptives.


No limits to their hypocrasy. SHAME


 


 


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By the time I got to Grade 7


 


Thinking back, it seems to me the priests (two of them from the church next door) were more interested in the nuns (two in particular). The didn't wear cassocks because they were fashion conscious.





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