Useless BLEEP Search Engine

So i searched for 'rocket truck'.   Looking for a toy truck that carries pretend rockets or missiles, didn't need to actually fire them.  

 

First search:  rocket truck

 

Got a bit of what i was looking for and all kinds of gaskets , pistons and window trimming.  What the ???

 

So then i search:  "rocket" truck           and ths is what i got:

 

"Rocket" Truck for sale | eBay

 

A few items that qualify and 4400+ that don't.   The VAST majorty of which don't even have the word rocket, or an anagram of the word rocket in the title.  Useless.

 

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I was browsing under 'ideal toys military' and found a few toy rocket trucks that were made back a few decades ago. Hope you find what you're looking for - they look pretty cool!

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What I often do after performing a general search is refine the results by category.
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Try ""rocket" toy truck". Much better results:

 

"Rocket" Toy Truck for sale | eBay

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@john_koenig99 wrote:

Try ""rocket" toy truck". Much better results:

 

"Rocket" Toy Truck for sale | eBay


@fergua3 

 

Anyone else think that search shouldn't be that much of a challenge or  trial and error? 

 

 

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Exactly Lotz.  What you search for should be the FIRST thing that is shown.  If the user wants to look further afield from there, then they can refine their search, not the other way around.

 

In the initial search results presented to the buyer ONLY items with the search keywords should appear.  There could be a 'broaden your seardh' button that the user could click to see other, less related results.

 

The way it is now it just seems as though they are throwing every peice of garbage in front of your face they can think of in the desperate hope you might buy something.    What is really happening is people get frustrated and leave Ebay and look elsewhere.

 

The way search is now it is useless for browsing.  It's only of use if you are looking for a specific item by name.  And even then you'll have to sort through loads of garbage, unrelated items.  Ebay has no idea how much business they lose by discouraging browsing with their current search engine setup.

 

Stupid.

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Exactly Lotz.  What you search for should be the FIRST thing that is shown.  If the user wants to look further afield from there, then they can refine their search, not the other way around.

 

In the initial search results presented to the buyer ONLY items with the search keywords should appear.  There could be a 'broaden your seardh' button that the user could click to see other, less related results.

 

The way it is now it just seems as though they are throwing every peice of garbage in front of your face they can think of in the desperate hope you might buy something.    What is really happening is people get frustrated and leave Ebay and look elsewhere.

 

The way search is now it is useless for browsing.  It's only of use if you are looking for a specific item by name.  And even then you'll have to sort through loads of garbage, unrelated items.  Ebay has no idea how much business they lose by discouraging browsing with their current search engine setup.

 

Stupid.


@fergua3 

eBay should be the go to for searching within eBay. Having to use google etc to find eBay items makes no sense. Search worked fine 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago. With all the listings that have been created when sellers started getting hoards of free listings exact matches should always be first. I constantly see "not even close" first and those exact matches wayyyyy down the page. Something is broken in Denmark...With no intent to offend the people of Denmark. (I've had book searches with titles/authors and CD titles bring up auto parts. What the huh?)

 

Even worse than that I have found Canadian listings of items I am searching using google but same items are hidden using an eBay search and Canada only. Brings up US and Intl first. 

 

Confirms the fact "your results may (will) vary" when it comes to eBay searches. 

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What you search for should be the FIRST thing that is shown.

 

The first thing shown depends entirely upon how you are searching and sorting.

 

If you search using keywords, eBay will find listings with your keywords in the title or item-specifics. There are many more listings that contain the words rocket and truck that are not acually rocket trucks.

 

If you are using quotes to search for exact keywords with no substitutions, one of the side effects of that is to bypass the automatic category navigation -- meaning that your results will be pulled from all categories where items with those keywords appear. You may need to choose a toy category if you are looking for a toy, in other words.

 

There is more than one way to search for just about anything. If searching one way is not working for you, try another.

 

What works for me: choosing appropriate keywords and searching. Keywords can be grouped using dashes if you want the words to appear in order with no intervening keywords. From the results, narrow the search to a specific category using  the links on the left side of the search results page if necessary. Once you are searching a specific category, you can choose category-specific filters. Choose a sort order that puts the items you want at the top of the list.

 

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/220/i.html?_nkw=rocket-truck&_from=R40&LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=10

 

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you don't think it's a bit complicated for the  average buyer to have to know and do all that?  Most people have enough things to do in their day without having to take a course in key word searching.

 

So why doesnt ebay just keep it simple.  The vast majority of people type in the keywords they want to search for.  And they mean in the item's title.  Not buried somewhere in the descritption or item specifics.

 

If i search for a 'rocket truck'  i want things that have rocket and truck in their item title.   All the other nuanced ways of searching can be included with an 'expand search' type of button that is optional.

 

If i do a keyword search for 'dog collar' odds are pretty dang good i'm looking for a dog collar.  Why show me a bunch of stuff that aren't dog collars (eg dog toys, cat toys, car parts etc)?     Show ONLY the listings with the words 'dog' and 'collar' in the item title.  If i don't find what i want then i can do a more nuanced expanded search if i desire.  The way it is now, the nuanced expanded search is being thrust upon me with no way to keep it simple.  And as a result instead of getting a few hundred returns to my search i am getting thousands upon thousands.   And maybe what i'm looking for is on page 5 of the search results but i'll never know it because i won't even bother to look.

 

Using categories is not a great solution.  Plenty of items are in the wrong category because the seller was lazy or forgot to change it.   And rocket truck could be in a few categories, eg toys, collectibles, vintage, military etc.  I am not interested in having to search them all.  So when i type in 'rocket truck' why not just show me every listing that has rocket and truck in the item title, in any order.  Why is that  so hard?  It's the way it used to be.

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when I searched using the words "rocket truck" got first 2 pages of mostly toys, so not sure what your problem is..

BTW, One must also consider the fact that  the word "Rocket" is also a brand name for various companies, products....

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@fergua3 

 

As of late when creating listings IF I happen to catch the eBay suggested category rarely matches the item I am listing. My bet is more than a few folks are not seeing during the listing stage. Total agreement. Constantly seeing unrelated items in the wrong category. 

In the past...maybe 5 yrs ago or more ebay would formally advise with a message if I listed something in the wrong category....according to eBay. In backtracking I would see other similar listings also in same wrong category. (example. Musical instruments.)

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you don't think it's a bit complicated for the average buyer to have to know and do all that?

 

The average buyer seems to be able to search and find things -- and buy them -- without any help from me.

 

If i do a keyword search for 'dog collar' odds are pretty dang good i'm looking for a dog collar.

 

If I type dog collar into a search, I get 87,000+ results in the Pet Supplies: Dog Supplies: Collars category, which seems pretty reasonable to me. From there a buyer can refine using category-specific filters to narrow things down by type or brand or size or features.

 

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=dog+collar&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_sop=10

 

So why doesnt ebay just keep it simple. The vast majority of people type in the keywords they want to search for. And they mean in the item's title. Not buried somewhere in the descritption or item specifics.

 

The problem is that two people can perform the exact same search using the exact same keywords and expect entirely different results. No matter what eBay does by default, someone will not be happy. So eBay's search is a compromise.

 

eBay's search is designed so that someone that knows nothing about search syntax or implicit category navigation can pick up a phone, open the eBay app, enter a couple of relevant keywords and see a bunch of results that include some things the person might be interested in buying.

 

But making most things simpler for most people turns out to make some things harder for some people.

 

Lots of folks would like to have the ability to search title-only -- particularly in automotive categories where some sellers stuff item-specifics with spam keyword lists so their items appear in the maximum number of searches regardless of relevance -- but eBay does not currently provide that option, so folks have to find other ways to narrow their results: grouping keywords, using exclusions, choosing a category, using a filter.

 

Every search result page has a "Tell us what you think" link, or a "?" / "Feedback" / "Comment" link to let eBay page developers know about how the page or a feature is working. Use that to make your opinion known.

 

Plenty of items are in the wrong category because the seller was lazy or forgot to change it.

 

Lazy or inconsiderate sellers will always be a problem. Chances are that if a seller lists an item in the wrong category, the seller is also not providing relevant item-specifics, so using a filter and choosing every available option other than "not specified" will remove many such inappropriate listings.

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uh huh.......well all i know is a few years ago it was very easy to search for specific items and browse in general, looking for something interesting to buy.

 

My days of browsing ended a few years ago when ebay started including more and more unrelated items in the search results.   It became just too much to wade through.  It's up to them how they run their search engine but just because there are buyers finding what they are looking for doesn't mean there couldn't be many, many more buyers finding what they are looking for, dramatically increasing ebay's revenue, with a more common sense approach search engine.

 

And i am not one of the buyers who is finding what they are looking for.  Ebay used to be the only place i purchased online a few years ago.  Now if i make one purchase per year on ebay it's about all.  And i know for a fact i am not alone.   

 

It's strange how some people will always jump to ebay's defense, no matter what bonehead moves they make.

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all i know is a few years ago it was very easy to search for specific items and browse in general, looking for something interesting to buy.

 

eBay has changed the way that searches work, so if you are still searching the same way you were years ago, that may be part of the problem. And sellers have changed the way they list and sell, which also contributes to this issue.

 

My days of browsing ended a few years ago when ebay started including more and more unrelated items in the search results. It became just too much to wade through.

 

There are probably some things you can do to get better, more targeted results if you are interested.

 

 It's up to them how they run their search engine but just because there are buyers finding what they are looking for doesn't mean there couldn't be many, many more buyers finding what they are looking for, dramatically increasing ebay's revenue, with a more common sense approach search engine.

 

That is certainly possible. But eBay has a vested interest in making things as easy as possible for marginal users, and eBay has far more data at its disposal than you or I do about how users are searching, and how many are finding things and buying them versus how many are giving up. If there is some simple change that makes things easier (or at least does not make things any harder on net), that should lead to increased sales and eBay should be eager to discover and implement such changes.

 

The fact that eBay has not made a change already may be because no one at eBay has thought of such a change (unlikely, but possible), or that eBay calculates the change is too costly to implement to be worth it, or the change may have other drawbacks that you or I may not have fully considered (highly likely).

 

Many of the suggestions I see for "changes" to search don't really add anything new, they just move the existing default options around to suit individuals. Two exceptions I can think of off the top of my head are wildcard searches and the option to search title-only. Wildcards are not coming back for a variety of reasons, but eBay could certainly implement a title-only search option at very little cost. If enough users demand it, eBay may implement it as an available option.

 

And i am not one of the buyers who is finding what they are looking for.

 

What are you looking for that you cannot find? There are a few things I can think of that are harder to search for now than they were previously -- mostly due to category changes where there is no widely used filter option or keyword available to search (such as "classic cars"), but for most things there are multiple ways to search and find things. And to sort and filter.

 

It may not necessarily always be the first way you think of to search, or the way you were used to searching in the past, but there is a vast gulf between a search being "useless" and being "not quite as easy as I would prefer".

 

It's strange how some people will always jump to ebay's defense, no matter what bonehead moves they make.

 

eBay certainly makes changes that I do not approve or that I would prefer they not make, and not every feature that eBay implements is implemented well, but I tend to think that eBay has reasons for what eBay does even if I can't always understand or explain those reasons. eBay has incentive to maximize profitable sales, and users being able to find things to buy is a very large part of that. If there are vast numbers of users that cannot find things to purchase, then eBay is leaving a lot of money on the table.

 

The choices eBay makes don't always make things easier for me, but eBay is not trying to maximize my utility (nor should it), eBay is trying to maximize the utility of millions of users with different preferences than my own.

 

 

 

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